The Breakout CEO

Jeff Holman
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The Breakout CEO podcast brings you candid conversations with scaling CEOs at leadership & strategic inflection points. Each episode is a curated interview that explores the mindset, strategy, and pivotal decisions driving breakthrough success for high-growth companies ($5MM-$50MM+). Jeff Holman is the host of The Breakout CEO podcast and the founder of Intellectual Strategies, where he works closely with CEOs and leadership teams of scaling companies on strategy, governance, and risk during periods of rapid growth. Jeff has spent years inside the decision-making rooms of growth-stage companies, helping leaders navigate moments when complexity increases, tradeoffs become unavoidable, and the cost of misalignment rises. He brings a peer-level perspective shaped by that experience, focusing conversations on the inflection points that materially change a company’s trajectory. The Breakout CEO podcast reflects his approach with candid, operator-level discussions centered on real decisions rather than retrospective storytelling or promotion. Guest Participation - We feature a limited number of CEOs leading scaling companies with meaningful, first-hand breakout moments. If you believe your story would add value for an audience of scaling CEOs, please apply here: https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/ Media & Event Partnerships - For press access, on-site recording, or event collaboration inquiries, please contact us. We record a limited number of on-site conversations at select events with CEOs and founders whose stories align with the podcast’s focus on leadership, strategy, and execution.

  1. 4D AGO

    38 - When Authority Erodes, Pricing Power Disappears

    Authority used to be assumed. Today, it must be built. As markets become more transparent and commoditized, pricing pressure doesn’t begin with competition — it begins with perception. When differentiation disappears, the only lever left is price. In this episode, Dennis “DM” Meador explains why founder-led visibility is no longer optional — and how CEOs who fail to build authority early eventually feel it in their margins. Dennis Meador, Founder & CEO of The Legal Podcast Network, has spent over 20 years working with attorneys in one of the most competitive professional markets in the world. What he began noticing five to seven years ago wasn’t incremental change — it was regression. Attorneys who once commanded premium hourly rates were quietly discounting under pressure from commoditized digital marketing, lookalike websites, and price-shopping behavior. His conclusion: When authority erodes, margins follow. This conversation explores the structural shift from logo-led branding to founder-led authority, why transparency is now a leadership requirement rather than a personality choice, and how scaling CEOs must balance experimentation with disciplined decision-making. For founders navigating growth in crowded markets, this episode offers a clear warning — and a strategic response. Key Takeaways1. Commoditization doesn’t start with pricing — it starts with similarity. When positioning collapses into lookalike messaging, price becomes the only remaining differentiator. 2. Authority is the mechanism that protects pricing power. Premium rates require perceived differentiation. Without authority, justification disappears. 3. Founder-led visibility is structural, not stylistic. In a digital-first world, leadership transparency is inevitable — whether embraced or resisted. 4. Scaling requires disciplined opportunity filtering. Not every exciting opportunity aligns with the company’s current stage or strategy. 5. Frameworks are backward-looking. The only framework that works for your company hasn’t been built yet. Guest & Host Information Dennis “DM” Meador Founder & CEO, The Legal Podcast Network https://www.thelegalpodcastnetwork.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dennismeador/ Jeff Holman Host, The Breakout CEO Podcast https://www.thebreakoutceo.com/

    49 min

  2. 6D AGO

    37 - The CEO Decision to Stop Competing and Redefine the Market

    Most CEOs assume that winning means competing harder. Andrew Ackerman learned the opposite. When Dreamit Accelerator found itself stuck behind larger, more established competitors, the question wasn’t how to move from number three to number one. It was whether that race was worth running at all. This episode explores the pivotal decision to stop fighting for position in a crowded market — and instead redefine the track entirely. If you’re competing aggressively but not gaining meaningful advantage, this conversation will challenge how you think about positioning, focus, and execution under constraint.

    49 min

  3. FEB 20

    36 - Licensing or Operating: The CEO’s Inflection Point

    Most founders prefer to license. It’s a lower risk. Lower capital exposure. Fewer operational headaches. But what happens when the incumbents won’t move, and your product only works if someone actually operates it? In this episode, Jeff Doss shares the pivotal decision to stop trying to license his patented anchoring system and instead operate the business himself inside a small, skeptical, highly regulated market. The stakes were real: capital at risk, reputation on the line, and a local ecosystem convinced it wouldn’t work. “It wasn’t a foregone conclusion this thing was going to be a winner.” This conversation is about that moment when a CEO must choose between protecting the downside and taking control. Jeff Doss, Founder of Beach Bags, built a patented anchoring system designed to replace illegal and unsafe “pinning” practices on Lake Powell. His original plan was straightforward: develop the technology and license it to the existing marina operators. That plan collapsed. The incumbents were skeptical. Influential players dismissed the concept. The market was small and tightly regulated. And in a reputation-driven ecosystem, one technical failure could end the business overnight. “We knew that if there was any failure of our system, we were going to be dead.” Instead of walking away, Jeff made a different decision: to operate the business directly. That meant capital investment, staffing challenges, marina negotiations, National Park Service approvals, and leading from the front during the first chaotic season. The result wasn’t guaranteed. It required conviction under pressure and a willingness to own the risk instead of outsourcing it. Check out Jeff's work at https://beachbagsanchors.com/. Say hello to Jeff! LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-doss-937125/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/beachbagsanchors/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beachbagsanchorsystem/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@beachbagsanchors9178 Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/

    49 min

  4. FEB 17

    35 - Choosing Legacy Over Lifestyle After a Billion-Dollar Exit

    Small business credit isn’t broken because of a lack of data; it’s broken because the system was never designed for how businesses actually operate. In this episode, host Jeff Holman speaks with Sal Rehmetullah, CEO and Founder of Worth AI. He has scaled, exited, and re-entered fintech at the highest levels. After building Stax Payments into a market leader and navigating a billion-dollar recapitalization, he turned his attention to one of the most persistent problems in small business finance: underwriting. Sal explains why incremental fixes fail in regulated, legacy systems and why rebuilding from scratch was the only viable path. Sal also walks through why small businesses can’t be evaluated like individuals, how legacy financial systems accumulated regulatory debt, and what finally made it possible to rethink underwriting end-to-end. The episode explores the real CEO tradeoff between patching broken systems and having the conviction to rebuild them especially when credibility, timing, and execution all matter. After exiting a billion-dollar fintech, he faced a familiar CEO question: optimize what exists or start over entirely. His answer reveals how timing, infrastructure, and judgment are not just ideas, determining whether systemic change is possible. Check out Sal's work at https://worthai.com/. Say hello to Sal! LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sal-rehmetullah-59704741/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/worth-ai/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/worthai.risk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/salrehmetullah/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joinworth Twitter: https://x.com/worth_AI Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/

    34 min

  5. FEB 12

    34 - When CEOs Must Choose Between Conviction and Consensus

    Markets don’t wait for consensus. In this episode, Shay Levi explains how CEOs recognize the moment when speed and conviction matter more than alignment and what it costs to hesitate. Drawing from building and exiting Noname Security and starting Unframe, Shay breaks down how he made contrarian calls under uncertainty, trusted firsthand signals over investor pushback, and moved aggressively when timing mattered most. Shay Levi is a repeat founder who operates inside fast-forming markets where there is no safe middle ground. After co-founding Noname Security and scaling it rapidly before its acquisition by Akamai, Shay faced a familiar but harder decision: whether to stay on a winning trajectory or step away to build again. In this conversation, Shay walks through the judgment calls behind choosing API security early, pushing back on investor skepticism, and later leaving a successful company to pursue Unframe at the moment enterprise AI adoption was accelerating. The focus isn’t outcomes, it’s how conviction forms when the data is incomplete, and the pressure is real. Check out Shay's work at https://www.unframe.ai/. Say hello to Shay! LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/unframe-ai/ Twitter: https://www.youtube.com/@UnframeAI YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UnframeAI Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/

    49 min

  6. FEB 10

    33 - The Decision That Separates CEOs Who Quit From Those Who Rebuild

    Scaling doesn’t usually fail because of a bad product. It fails because focus erodes slowly, one customer, one feature, one exception at a time. In this episode, Keith Norris shares the decisions that nearly broke his company and the hard reset that followed. From serving too many customers across too many industries to running multiple products that were effectively separate businesses, this is a candid look at how complexity quietly compounds until a CEO is forced to choose. He also walks through a rarely discussed phase of company building; pulling back from overextension, navigating painful investor conversations, and deliberately choosing simplicity over sprawl. Rather than offering growth hacks or frameworks, Keith explains how real CEO decisions get made under pressure when capital structure changes; incentives break, and survival matters more than optics. This episode is about judgment, not tactics. If you’re juggling multiple products, markets, or growth paths, this conversation will help you recognize when expansion stops being progress. Check Keith's work at https://www.kpifire.com/. Say hello to Keith! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KPIFire/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kpi.fire/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithnorris/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kpi-fire/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KPIFire Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/

    55 min

  7. FEB 5

    32 - The Revenue Risk When CEOs Say “We Can’t Measure Event ROI"

    In this episode of The Breakout CEO Podcast, Jeff Holman sits down with Zach Barney, founder and CEO of Mobly, to talk about a problem many growth-stage companies quietly accept. They spend a lot on in-person events and have no real way to know what is working. Zach explains how his background as a VP of Sales exposed a gap most teams accept as normal. Digital marketing is measured closely. In-person marketing often is not. That gap led him to start Mobly and focus on bringing clearer tracking and follow-up to face-to-face marketing. The conversation also goes well beyond product and growth. He shares openly what it was like to run out of runway faster than expected, raise capital in a tougher market, and deal with serious anxiety while leading a growing company. He talks about getting help, being honest with his team, and why founders should not try to carry everything alone. This episode is a realistic look at what scaling actually feels like, and how better decisions come from clarity, not optimism. Check out Zach's work at https://www.getmobly.com/. Say hello to Zach! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/getmobly/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachbarney/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/getmobly/ Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/

    41 min

  8. FEB 3

    31 - When a $4 Part Forces a CEO Into a Total Operating Reset

    What does it actually take to scale a manufacturing business in the U.S. today? In this episode of The Breakout CEO, Jeff Holman sits down with Spencer Loveless, second-generation CEO of Dustless Technologies and founder of Merit3D ⁨@Merit-3D⁩ . Spencer grew up inside a family-run manufacturing business and stepped into leadership early. Over time, he’s had to navigate the realities most CEOs don’t see on paper: supply chain breakdowns, expensive partnerships, capital pressure, and the personal weight of keeping people employed in a rural community. When COVID disrupted overseas suppliers, Spencer didn’t wait for things to “normalize.” He built Merit3D to solve a real operational problem... speed. Using additive manufacturing, his team helps companies skip long lead times, avoid tooling delays, and keep production in the U.S. without sacrificing quality. Spencer is clear-eyed about the struggle. Growth creates pressure. Leadership compounds risk. And success rarely feels stable while you’re in it. But with the right operating mindset and a team that can execute, manufacturing in the U.S. can still win. If you’re a CEO, founder, or operator thinking about scale, supply chain risk, or bringing production closer to home, this episode offers grounded insight from someone actively doing the work. This conversation isn’t about trends or theory. It’s about decisions. 🎧 Listen to the full episode to hear the nuance behind the decisions and why Spencer still believes the future of manufacturing belongs here. Check out Spencer's work at https://merit3d.com/. Say hello to Spencer! LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-loveless/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Merit3D/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/merit3d/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/merit-3d/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Merit-3D/ Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/

    42 min
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The Breakout CEO podcast brings you candid conversations with scaling CEOs at leadership & strategic inflection points. Each episode is a curated interview that explores the mindset, strategy, and pivotal decisions driving breakthrough success for high-growth companies ($5MM-$50MM+). Jeff Holman is the host of The Breakout CEO podcast and the founder of Intellectual Strategies, where he works closely with CEOs and leadership teams of scaling companies on strategy, governance, and risk during periods of rapid growth. Jeff has spent years inside the decision-making rooms of growth-stage companies, helping leaders navigate moments when complexity increases, tradeoffs become unavoidable, and the cost of misalignment rises. He brings a peer-level perspective shaped by that experience, focusing conversations on the inflection points that materially change a company’s trajectory. The Breakout CEO podcast reflects his approach with candid, operator-level discussions centered on real decisions rather than retrospective storytelling or promotion. Guest Participation - We feature a limited number of CEOs leading scaling companies with meaningful, first-hand breakout moments. If you believe your story would add value for an audience of scaling CEOs, please apply here: https://go.intellectualstrategies.com/ Media & Event Partnerships - For press access, on-site recording, or event collaboration inquiries, please contact us. We record a limited number of on-site conversations at select events with CEOs and founders whose stories align with the podcast’s focus on leadership, strategy, and execution.

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  • Creator
    Jeff Holman
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    38
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Copyright 2025 Intellectual Strategies
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