Before there was an Indian startup ecosystem, there were people willing to bet it could exist. Anjali Bansal and Sandeep Singhal returned to India around 1999, when venture capital barely existed. They believed founders—not just business families—could build great companies with institutional backing, and helped create the playbook as they went. The conversation explores what makes founders endure, the line between resilience and delusion, why Indian founders should think globally, and why the next wave of innovation will be driven by physical industries, sustainability and deep tech—not just software. CHAPTERS (00:00) Resilience, R&D and San Francisco (02:14) Coming home in 1999 when everyone else stayed (05:34) Sandeep's ISRO detour: the dream of space (09:19) Chairing a troubled bank, the riskiest bet (10:04) Starting a VC when the category barely existed (13:57) "We hired a search firm to find our founders" (14:24) MakeMyTrip: surviving when rivals died (16:57) What makes an enduring founder? (19:34) Anjali on agility and knowing what you don't know (22:39) Why the podcast is called The Catapult Code (23:19) Orbit shifts: Lenskart and farm-to-market pivots (33:59) Same founder traits, very different ecosystems (37:35) Policy work and India's deep-tech engine (43:52) Persistence vs. delusion, the board's real job (46:32) The Avaana thesis: physical and sustainable (53:26) Building in India, selling to the world (59:37) The confidence gap founders still carry (01:05:06) Gender, EQ, and reading the room (01:09:57) Human agency in the age of AI agents 🎙️ABOUT THE GUESTS Anjali Bansal and Sandeep Singhal aren't just two of the people who built Indian venture capital, they have spent 25 years taking turns backing each other's risks. Whenever one started something new, the other held the stable ground. Anjali is the Founding Partner of Avaana Capital, backing tech and innovation-led startups across energy, supply chains, mobility, and agriculture. Appointed by the Government of India as Non-Executive Chairperson of Dena Bank, she steered its resolution and merger with Bank of Baroda, and has backed Delhivery, Urban Company, Nykaa, and Lenskart. Sandeep co-founded Nexus Venture Partners in 2006 and, before that, eVentures India in 1999, one of the earliest Indian VC funds, which catalyzed MakeMyTrip. 🔗 CONNECT Anjali Bansal — LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/anjali-bansal-8489091 Sandeep Singhal — LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/sandeep-singhal-4467b · X: @aaasandeep Avaana Capital — avaanacapital.com · X: @avaanacapital 🎙️ ABOUT THE CATAPULT CODE The Catapult Code is a podcast designed exclusively for builders navigating the turbulence between current traction and the next orbit. For founders and leaders who are serious about expanding their impact and building enduring companies. From the Indus Valley to Silicon Valley: The Catapult Code to bring voices from founders and operators who have built enduring companies from both India and across the US. Hosted by Ravi Ravulaparthi (Co-founder & CEO, Qapita — 17 years working closely with high-growth founders, now managing equity for 2,700+ companies including half of India's unicorns) and Brendan Marshall (serial founder, investor, and operator from Silicon Valley who has supported hundreds of startups). 🏢 ABOUT QAPITA Qapita is a global private markets infrastructure platform offering equity management, fund administration and liquidity solutions, helping founders, employees, and investors unlock the power of ownership. From cap table management and Stock Options administration to valuations, fund management, and structured liquidity, Qapita brings everything onto a single, audit-ready platform - trusted by companies across US, India, Southeast Asia, and beyond. 👉 Like this conversation? Subscribe for more episodes of The Catapult Code and hit the 🔔 so you never miss a founder story. 🔗Learn more at https://www.qapita.com Full episode on YT: https://youtu.be/TDxR9sLYhIQ