The CMO Office Podcast

Nikki Taylor

Helping marketers claim their seat in the C-suite by turning data into expertise. A publication of Analytic Partners. www.the-cmo-office.com

Episodes

  1. 6D AGO

    Why Most Marketing Plans Fail the Moment They’re Written (and What to Do About It)

    Welcome to the first award winning edition of The CMO Office! Last night we were proud to take home Silver for Best B2B Content Marketing Strategy for ‘The CMO Office’ at Marketing Interactive’s Content 360 Awards, in no small part thanks to your support so thank you and please keep on subscribing, reading and sharing, Nx🙏 Now, where was I? Oh yes, when I spoke at the Digital Marketing Summit in Seoul recently, I wanted to focus on a gap that most marketers recognise but rarely address directly; the world moves quickly but our plans do not… Many organisations are still working to annual plans set months ago, sometimes close to a year in advance. Those plans were built on a set of assumptions about demand, pricing, supply, competition and consumer behaviour that may no longer hold true. At the same time, the dashboards used to track performance tend to capture only part of the picture. Campaign metrics update constantly, but they rarely reflect the broader forces shaping results. For instance, a campaign may underperform not because the media plan is wrong, but because distribution has shifted. Or results may appear strong when demand has been artificially inflated by external factors. The consequence is a growing disconnect between what marketers see and what is actually happening in our complex world. So, what can we do? 1. Don’t blindly believe your dashboard Modern marketing dashboards are powerful. They provide real-time visibility into campaign performance across channels but they are not designed to capture everything that drives results. They are only the tip of the iceberg. Most dashboards focus on media metrics: impressions, clicks, conversions, ROI. These are important, but they sit within a much wider system. Marketing outcomes are shaped by a combination of factors such as pricing decisions, distribution availability, competitive activity, macroeconomic conditions and consumer sentiment, which all play a role. Our proprietary ROI Genome analysis shows that marketing contributes between 10 percent and 50 percent of business performance, with the majority influenced by factors beyond marketing itself. When these elements are not included in measurement, performance can be misinterpreted. A campaign may appear underwhelming when the real issue is product availability. Strong results may be attributed to media when they are driven by external demand shifts. Without a broader view, decisions are made on incomplete - even misleading - information. 2. Widen your field of vision Speaking of taking a broader view, one of the key points I shared in Seoul is that marketers need to widen their field of vision. Understanding performance requires looking beyond individual channels and beyond marketing itself. It requires a view of the full commercial system. This includes how channels interact with each other. It includes how brand and performance activity work together. It includes how external factors influence demand. Integrated strategies consistently outperform siloed approaches. Combining online and offline channels delivers significantly stronger results, with up to 50 percent greater efficiency compared to single-channel strategies . These effects are not visible when channels are measured in isolation. They only emerge when the full system is considered. 3. You can’t predict the future. But you can prepare for it. Now you can see more of the picture, the question becomes: what do you do with it? Most organisations are still set up to look backwards. Campaigns are analysed after they finish. Insights arrive once the moment to act has passed. In a stable environment, that delay is manageable. In a volatile one, it becomes a risk. Because the reality is, you cannot forecast the future with certainty. But you can prepare for it. Reporting tells you what happened and simulation tells you what could happen. That means building scenarios in advance. Understanding how your business responds to different conditions. Knowing which levers to pull, what to pull back on, how to adjust pricing, and how to rebalance your mix across brand and performance when conditions change. Because when those moments come, and they will, the organisations that win are not the ones scrambling for answers. They are the ones who have already pressure-tested the decisions. This is where marketing moves from reporting the past to shaping what happens next. 4. Use Marketing Mix Modelling And this is precisely the context in which marketing mix modelling becomes most valuable. At its core, marketing mix modelling provides a structured way to understand how different factors contribute to performance. At Analytic Partners, we extend this into Commercial Mix Modelling, which goes beyond marketing to include pricing, distribution, operational factors and macroeconomic conditions. It connects marketing activity with broader business drivers and external conditions, which makes it uniquely suited to today’s environment. Rather than relying on partial metrics, Commercial Mix Modelling provides a holistic view of performance, enables forward-looking scenario planning and supports continuous recalibration. It is no longer just a retrospective tool used to validate past decisions. It is becoming a system for ongoing decision-making, not by measuring in real time, but by pre-planning scenarios so teams know how to respond when conditions change. Companies that adopt this kind of approach move faster and make more confident decisions. Organisations that embed data-driven decisioning into their operating model have been shown to achieve significantly stronger growth outcomes, including up to five times the growth of those that do not. 5. Move from plans to possibilities The implications for marketers are clear: * Annual plans still have a role, but they cannot remain static. They need to evolve as conditions change. * Measurement needs to extend beyond campaign metrics to include the full set of factors influencing performance. * Decision-making needs to shift from retrospective reporting to continuous, real-time optimisation. * Most importantly, marketers need to recognise that the environment they operate in is not fixed. It is dynamic, interconnected and often unpredictable. The path forward The gap between the pace of the market and the pace of marketing decision-making is becoming more visible. Closing that gap requires more than better dashboards. It requires a different approach to measurement. One that captures the full system. One that looks forward as well as back. One that enables faster, more informed decisions because in a world that does not stand still, marketing cannot afford to either. Thanks for reading The CMO Office! This post is public so feel free to share it. If you would like to hear the full keynote, you can listen to my session from the Digital Marketing Summit on The CMO Office Podcast, available now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    30 min
  2. 12/09/2025

    🎙️PODCAST: Marketing in Asia-Same, Same But Different? My Conversation with WARC Asia's Rica Facundo

    If you spend enough time talking to marketers across Asia, as I do, a pattern emerges. Everyone insists their market is different. And yet, somehow, all of us are wrestling with the same questions about growth, measurement and the role of brand in a region that refuses to sit still. That is exactly why I wanted to bring Rica Facundo, Managing Editor of WARC APAC and co-author of The Pace Principle, onto The CMO Office Podcast for Episode 8. Rica spends her days analysing what truly drives marketing effectiveness in our region, and she brings a rare blend of empathy, evidence and lived experience to the conversation. And let me tell you now. She does not hold back. Asia moves fast. But not too fast for brand building One of the biggest myths I hear repeatedly in APAC is that long-term brand building does not work here. We are told our consumers are too pragmatic, too fragmented, too digital-first or too price sensitive to respond to the classic effectiveness principles. Rica and her team at WARC have now shown, with data from across the region, that the opposite is true. When you combine long-term brand building with smart, measurable performance activation, you unlock what WARC calls The Multiplier Effect. And the impact in high-growth markets can be even more dramatic than in the West. As we discussed in the episode, the challenge is not that Asia ignores the rules. It is that Asia tests them faster. Culture is not a nice-to-have. It is a growth lever One part of our conversation that really stayed with me was Rica’s view on cultural insight. Western brand playbooks do not simply plug and play in APAC. They cannot. Our region is too layered, too contradictory, too alive. But that does not mean we abandon the fundamentals. It means we apply them with greater cultural sensitivity. Rica shines a light on examples across Asia where brands have built genuine emotional connection by grounding their work in local truths, not borrowed tropes. And for those of us leading marketing in this region, she makes a compelling case. Culture is not just flavour. It is strategic advantage. And measurement. Always measurement You know that on this podcast, I will always bring the conversation back to measurement. And Rica was beautifully candid here. Too many marketers in Asia are still evaluating effectiveness through a short-term lens. That means they miss the delayed, compounding value of long-term brand building and underestimate marketing’s true commercial impact. This is where modern MMM plays such an important role. Not the black-box models of ten years ago, but adaptive, always-learning commercial analytics that help marketers make the right call at the right time. If you are trying to build credibility with your CFO or COO, this is the evidence base you need. A must-listen for marketers in Southeast Asia and beyond I loved this conversation. Rica brings such clarity to a topic that is often muddied by opinion, trends and the myth that Asia is somehow an outlier. Spoiler: We are not. We are simply moving at two paces at once. And when you manage the sprint and the marathon together, the results can be extraordinary. 🎧 Listen to Episode 8 Everywhere * YouTube * Spotify * Apple Podcasts Are you a CMO with a story to tell? Would you like to boost your personal profile on our podcast? Then for goodness sake, get in touch with me at nikki.taylor@analyticpartners.com. Thanks for reading The CMO Office! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    45 min
  3. 🎙️ LIVE Podcast: Creativity, Commerciality and the Data Dilemma

    11/18/2025

    🎙️ LIVE Podcast: Creativity, Commerciality and the Data Dilemma

    In our first EVER live-recorded episode of The CMO Office Podcast, I sat down with Toby Aldred, Managing Director at Saatchi & Saatchi, to explore one of marketing’s most persistent tensions — the balance between bold creative thinking and the demand for proof. Recorded live on stage at SXSW Sydney, this conversation is a fast-moving, funny, and refreshingly honest take on what happens when creative ambition meets commercial reality. Toby, fresh from collecting eight Effie Awards, shares how data can sharpen great ideas but never replace them. “Agencies were founded to build brands and grow them,” says Aldred. “We’ve built our own effectiveness practice so that even our boldest creative ideas are underlined by the impact they’ll have.” From the CFO’s demand for hard numbers to the CMO’s instinct for emotional connection, this episode digs into how creativity and data can (and must) coexist. Toby argues that marketing’s true growth lever lies not in performance metrics alone, but in the human insight that turns spreadsheets into stories. “If you make every decision based purely on what the data tells you, you’ll miss those imaginative leaps that create real impact,” he explains. “It’s about using data to guide and prove — not to decide everything.” We also dive into the evolving role of AI in creative development during which Toby admits he’s “a ChatGPT guy,” using generative tools as “a brainstorming partner” rather than a replacement for human originality. And when I ask him which marketing buzzword gives him “the ick”? His answer is instant: “Lean in.” “In creativity, we don’t want to lean in — we want to stand out.” 💡 Key Takeaways * Creativity needs evidence. Data and analytics should amplify, not stifle, creative ideas. * Growth is the ultimate KPI. Marketing must prove itself as a business growth lever, not just a cost centre. * Emotion still wins. Storytelling and human connection remain the most powerful differentiators. * AI is a partner, not a pilot. Generative tools can accelerate ideation, but great ideas still come from people. 🎧 Watch or Listen Now * YouTube * Spotify * Apple Podcasts Are you a CMO with a story to tell? Would you like to boost your personal profile on our podcast? Then for goodness sake, get in touch with me at nikki.taylor@analyticpartners.com. Thanks for reading The CMO Office! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    30 min
  4. PODCAST: From Laundry to Lift-Off with P&G 🚀

    10/14/2025

    PODCAST: From Laundry to Lift-Off with P&G 🚀

    How do you make people fall in love with washing powder? Or convince them that fabric softener is essential in the middle of a pandemic? In this episode of The CMO Office Podcast, I sit down with 2022’s Young Marketing Leader of The Year, Mariel Chavez - Regional Brand Director for AMA Home Care at Procter & Gamble to find out. Mariel is the marketer behind Tide’s “Perfect Clean” repositioning in the Philippines, which delivered three consecutive years of growth, and Downy’s empathetic “Bye Bye Bahayrus” campaign during COVID, which turned household anxieties into brand loyalty. What can CMOs learn from her playbook? Quite a lot, as it turns out: * Reframing the consumer problem: Why growth came when Tide stopped talking about stains and started talking about confidence. * Balancing brand and performance: The art and science of delivering today’s sales while laying the groundwork for tomorrow’s growth. * Always-on measurement: How an “always learning” loop helps Mariel pivot mid-flight, not post-mortem. * The power of social listening: Why even soap powder can spark conversations worth tuning into. For CMOs navigating growth in volatile times, Mariel’s insights show that measurement and creativity aren’t opposites—they’re partners in crime. Watch or listen in all your favourite places including: * YouTube * Apple Podcasts * Spotify And get bite-sized insights from our Instagram & TikTok Channels. Are you a CMO with a story to tell? Would you like to boost your personal profile on our podcast? Then for goodness sake, get in touch with me at nikki@analyticpartners.com. Listen More… Thanks for reading The CMO Office! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    41 min
  5. 09/02/2025

    🎙️ Podcast: Betting Big on Brand - PropertyGuru’s Reality TV Gamble That Paid Off 🎰

    In Episode 5 of The CMO Office podcast, I sit down with Alex De Leon, Group VP of Marketing at PropertyGuru, and Quark Henares, award-winning filmmaker and director of Home Run Singapore, to talk about one of the boldest brand moves we've seen. 🧠 Why it matters: In a region dominated by performance marketing, Alex took the road less travelled — pausing nearly all performance activity and going all in on brand. What started as a casual idea over drinks turned into Home Run, a reality show that: * Racked up 10 million organic views (latest figures!) * Increased brand preference and NPS +6 points * Increased emotional brand attributes +13% * Helped generate new revenue from agents, developers, and even fashion partnerships * Created earned media buzz — from Marketing Interactive to Grazia to Vogue — and inspired a cultural shift internally at PropertyGuru 🎬 Behind the scenes: Hear how Alex ran the pilot season in stealth mode, why there were no logos or hard-sell, and how casting real agents led to surprisingly emotional storytelling that resonated far beyond the brand. 💡 Key quote:"We didn’t want our logo to be as big as possible. We wanted to tell a great story — and if the brand showed up organically, great. But if not, that was okay too." — Alex De Leon 🚀 Now what? With Season 2 underway (and yes, eliminations are coming), the show is evolving into a full-scale marketing and revenue-generating engine — proving that creative risk-taking can drive real business outcomes. 🔗 Listen now on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.💌 Subscribe for your monthly dose of marketing leadership: the-cmo-office.com Thanks for reading The CMO Office! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    49 min
  6. 🎧 Podcast: Rewiring Consumer Habits - How Zespri Turned Kiwi Fruit Into a Daily Ritual 🥝

    08/12/2025

    🎧 Podcast: Rewiring Consumer Habits - How Zespri Turned Kiwi Fruit Into a Daily Ritual 🥝

    This month in The CMO Office, we're joined by Jiunn Shih, Global Chief Marketing, Innovation, and Sustainability Officer at Zespri International - one of the most beloved (and surprising) brands in the fruit bowl. Jiunn brings a bold, brand-building vision to one of the world's healthiest commodities. But this episode isn't just about kiwi fruit - it's about how you take any product, even one that’s less than 1% of the global fruit market, and elevate it into a global habit. 💥 In this episode: * Why Zespri reimagined kiwi fruit packaging to resemble a pill box and boosted sales by 25% * The role of “sensory priming” and how marketers can activate desire through visuals * The creation of the iconic Kiwi Brothers and the power of distinctive brand assets * Drones, influencers, and live shopping - how Zespri scaled innovation from China to the world * Jiunn’s take on brand vs. performance (hint: it’s all about the “and”) * The marketing buzzwords he hates the most (you’ll want to bookmark this 🔖) "I think we have one of the most fun jobs in the world, but as marketers, we also carry responsibility. We have the power to shape cultures, influence how people think, feel and believe…So let's take that responsibility seriously. Let's do marketing for good.” Zespri isn’t just selling fruit. They're reshaping consumer behavior and Jiunn Shih is leading the charge. 👉 Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to think differently about what a brand can be. 🎙 Listen here, on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts all you’ll find these episodes too: 🔗 Subscribe to the-cmo-office.com for your weekly dose of content on marketing, measurement, and optimization. Thanks for reading The CMO Office! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    39 min
  7. 07/01/2025

    PODCAST: The New CMO Playbook: Brand, Data, CX, and Beyond with Debra Soon, CMO, Singlife

    They say good things comes in threes and it must be true because the third episode of The CMO Office podcast is a ripper (Australian slang for ‘very good indeed’ - Ed)! Debra Soon is the Chief Marketing Officer for Singlife, which launched in 2017 as the first local insurer to be licensed by the Monetary Authority of Singapore since 1970. Eight years later Singlife is one of the top six insurers in Singapore based on total assets of S$14.4b as of 31 December 2022. In 2023 Singlife merged with Aviva Singapore and just last year was acquired by Sumitomo Life in a deal worth S$4.6b. All of this has left Debra flat out like a lizard drinking (Aussie slang for ‘really quite busy’ - Ed), but through it all she has amassed incredible knowledge and experience, which she shares with us in a conversation about the new CMO playbook for 2025 and beyond. Listen and learn… * How to build credibility with the C-suite * How to structure a modern marketing team * How to set up and scale an in-house content studio * How to run a brand campaign that evolves over years—not quarters * How to make AI useful in real-world marketing * How to use data without needing a data science degree * How to bridge creative and technical skill sets * How to mentor teams for independence and growth * How to collaborate cross-functionally and reduce silos * How to avoid burnout and build a sustainable team culture * How to prepare for the CMO role of the future This conversation is all killer no filler! If you’re wondering what it’s going to take for you to become a CMO in 2025 and beyond, this is it. Watch or listen wherever you are right now on: * Apple Podcasts * Spotify * YouTube And don’t forget you can get daily doses of marketing gold by following us on LinkedIn and TikTok too. Thanks, Nikki. Thanks for reading The CMO Office! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    35 min
  8. PODCAST: How Chocolate Finance Disrupted Bank Brands

    05/27/2025

    PODCAST: How Chocolate Finance Disrupted Bank Brands

    Is it really time for Episode #2 already? Yup and this time we tidied up the studio and broke out the fancy glassware because we had guests! Anushka Yadav is the Chief Creative Officer of Chocolate Finance, the financial services firm that launched last July with a huge splash and gained 60,000 customers and almost S$1 billion in deposits within its first year. Andy Greenaway is the ad industry legend who founded his own shop, The Tao of Advertising, not much earlier than his client Chocolate Finance and helped them launch with a massive multiplatform campaign featuring famous influencers and even homegrown Hollywood star Henry Golding. In this candid conversation they tell me: * How they convinced their CEO to spend big on the launch of Chocolate Finance * How they used humour to make finance less frightening, more fun * Why their digital campaign performed 20% higher than global benchmarks * How they used OOH to achieve overnight credibility * What to do when Facebook shuts down your account at the apex of your campaign * Where they’re taking the brand next As I always say, this isn’t just another marketing podcast - it’s a masterclass in thinking big and following through. If you want to claim your seat in the c-suite then watch or listen NOW! * Apple Podcasts * Spotify * YouTube And don’t forget you can get daily doses of marketing gold by following us on LinkedIn and TikTok too. Thanks, Nikki. Thanks for reading The CMO Office! This post is public so feel free to share it. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    42 min
  9. 05/07/2025

    PODCAST: How Last Click Attribution is Killing Your Brand

    For the first episode I'm warming up by grilling my boss, Paul Sinkinson, about his problem with last click attribution and what he would measure instead. I also try to get him to recreate his infamous "inflatable clown" dance from TikTok! Along the way I get Paul to explain: * The impact of creative on your ROI * How brand messaging impacts performance * The shocking truth behind how much influence marketers actually have on a business * Why traditional channels like TV and billboards still matter * How going "dark" on marketing can devastate your brand for years He also volunteers his insights from twenty years of campaign number crunching on how to: * Build more effective marketing campaigns * Understand the real drivers of your sales * Create a holistic approach to marketing measurement * Prove your marketing's value to the C-suite This isn't just another marketing podcast - it's a masterclass in understanding how to truly measure and maximise your marketing efforts. Whether you're a CMO, marketing manager, or aspiring marketing leader, this episode will transform how you think about marketing analytics. Stop guessing. Start measuring. Listen now and claim your seat in the C-suite via: * Apple Podcasts * Spotify * YouTube Don't miss this opportunity to revolutionise your marketing approach. Your bottom line will thank you. Nikki Taylor Marketing & Communications Director APAC Analytic Partners www.analyticpartners.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.the-cmo-office.com

    41 min

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