If you have ever watched a great community programme succeed and then vanish when the funding runs out, this conversation names the uncomfortable why and the hopeful how. We sit down with Jodeme Goldhar to explore integrated care, population health, social care, and what it really takes to connect health and social services so communities are not left to stitch the system together on their own. We start with Jodeme's origin story and a clear-eyed view of Canada's fragmented health and social care landscape. From there, we unpack what integrated care looks like when it is designed through the lens of the person and their family: shared goals, one team across organisations, and support that follows real life rather than institutional boundaries. We also draw a hard line between improving a clinical pathway and achieving population health outcomes, then ask what changes when community-defined well-being goals become the centre of planning. The most disruptive insight is not a new model. It is governance and leadership. Strategic plans, board fiduciary duties, and CEO performance measures can unintentionally lock silos in place, even when everyone wants collaboration. We talk about the danger of "side of desk" integration, why pilots often collapse, and two practical steps leaders can take tomorrow: build collaborative leadership across the ecosystem and align multiple organisations around at least one shared strategic priority tied to community outcomes. We also honour Indigenous ways of knowing, being, and doing as essential guidance for holistic well-being and belonging. If you care about integrated care, community-centred services, cross-sector collaboration, and real accountability for health and well-being, hit play. Subscribe, share this with a colleague, and leave a review, then tell us what you want to see connected next. Here's more about Jodeme's important work and upcoming conference highlights from Jodeme: 🎙️ Episode Footnotes: Jodeme Goldhar & The Power of Integrated Care Jodeme Goldhar (MSW, MHSc) is a globally recognized leader, systems-level transformation expert, and leadership coach with over 25 years of experience in health and social care. Her work focuses on bridging gaps among health services, social sectors, and community networks to advance population health, well-being, and a true social movement for systemic change. Key Professional Roles & Affiliations Founder & Managing Director: The Centre for Systems Collaboration (a division of 4C IMPACT Ltd.), dedicated to driving co-designed, large-scale systems coaching and collaborative change.International Foundation for Integrated Care (IFIC): Vice-Chair on the global Board of IFIC and Co-Founder/Co-Director of IFIC Canada.The North American Centre for Integrated Care (NACIC): Co-Founder and Co-Director of NACIC, based at the University of Toronto's Dalla Lana School of Public Health.Network for Integrated Care Excellence (NICE): Co-Lead and Knowledge Brokering and Mobilization Lead for this CIHR-funded initiative.Academic Appointments: Adjunct Faculty member at the University of Toronto (IHPME) and Part-Time Faculty at McMaster University.Movement for Collective Leadership National Health Fellows Program: As part of her work with the McMaster Health Leadership Academy, Jodeme helps anchor this signature national program. It brings together leaders from coast to coast—across public, private, health, and social care sectors, including those with lived and living experiences—to build collective leadership capabilities across Canada.Upcoming Events & Movements NACIC27 (North American Conference on Integrated Care): Hosted in Toronto, Canada, the upcoming conference centers on the theme "Community as the Catalyst." Serving as a focal point for a broader social movement, this conference strengthens relationships across international borders and drives local system evolution. Learn more and join the movement at NACIC27.Connect with Jodeme Goldhar Website: The Centre for Systems CollaborationX (Twitter): @JodemeGoldharLinkedIn: /Jodeme-GoldharEmail: jodeme@me.comFeatured Resources & Reading Framework for Sensemaking: Goldhar, J. et al. "A Framework for Sensemaking and Advancing the Continuum of Integrated Care: From Condition-Based Pathways to Population Health." Healthcare Quarterly.Send us Fan Mail