The Deep Duck Dive Podcast

Karen Graaff and Glen Thompson

A podcast engaging with the oceanic turn in the global South by focusing on issues that matter within surfing as a lifestyle sport. As co-hosts of the podcast, we have approached podcasting as public pedagogy and public scholarship. Contact us at email: hello@thedeepduckdivepodcast.org.za

  1. EPISODE 1

    Every Cape Town surfer has feels about Muizenberg

    Love it, hate it, ambivalent, only when desperate, all-time favourite - every Cape Town surfer has an opinion on Muizenberg! In a bit of a break from our planned episodes, we're starting what will (hopefully) be a mini-series chatting to local surfers about Muizenberg - their history and experiences at the beach, and their thoughts, feels and opinions about it, personally or in the context of surfing more broadly - in South Africa or globally. To kick things off, in this episode, Karen and Glen chat about their own histories and experiences of surfing at Muizenberg, what they like and don't like (spoiler alert: Karen likes it more than Glen), some history of the beach and area, representation of Muizenberg in films, TV shows and academic writing, and its use as a site for contests and as a drawcard for Cape Town tourism. So join us as we take a deep duck dive (wahey!) into the place you're most likely to be forced to catch a party wave. Links to sources mentioned in the episode: Benninger, Elizabeth and Shazly Savahl. 2016. "The use of visual methods to explore how children construct and assign meaning to the “self” within two urban communities in the Western Cape, South Africa." International Journal of Qualitative Studies on Health and Well-Being 11(1): https://doi.org/10.3402/qhw.v11.31251 Davis, Roxy Davis. 2024. "A world of possibilities: an exploration of experiences of children with disabilities participation in a surf therapy programme in South Africa." PhD Thesis, University of Cape Town, Faculty of Health Sciences, Division of Disability Studies: http://hdl.handle.net/11427/40740 Martín-González, Roberto, Kamilla Swart and Ana-María Luque-Gil. 2021. “Tourism Competitiveness and Sustainability Indicators in the Context of Surf Tourism: The Case of Cape Town." Sustainability 13, 7238: https://doi.org/10.3390/su13137238 Mahler-Coetzee, Jacques. 2017. “From Fringe To Core: Contemplating Surfing's Potential Contribution To Sustainable Tourism Development In South Africa.” Tourism in Marine Environments 12 (3-4): https://doi.org/10.3727/154427317X15062902755932 Rolfe, Elana. 2015. "A formative evaluation of the development and implementation of the waves for change coach training programme.” MA Thesis, University of Cape Town, Faculty of Commerce, Department Organisational Psychology: http://hdl.handle.net/11427/33142 Stroehlein, Leonie. 2021. "The increased feminization of the surfing economy: An exploration of the lived experiences of female surfers in Muizenberg, South Africa.". MA Thesis, University of Cape Town, Faculty of Commerce, School of Management Studies: http://hdl.handle.net/11427/36171 Thompson, Glen. 2023. "Dreaming of 'Level Free': Lockdown and the cultural politics of surfing during the COVID-19 pandemic in South Africa." In David Andrews, Holly Thorpe and Joshua Newman (eds), Sport and Physical Culture in Global Pandemic Times: COVID Assemblages, (Palgrave Macmillan). Twidle, Hedley. 2021. "Barbarian Phase." Wasafiri, 36 (2): https://doi.org/10.1080/02690055.2021.1879478 Worm Sandy. 2014. “Black People Don’t Surf.” Photography series exhibited at the Beyond the Beach Exhibition curated by Paul Weinberg, Casa Labia Gallery, Muizenberg, 21 September - 21. Artist statement at: https://monthofphotography.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/sandy-worm-pdf.pdf Film and TV Series referenced in this episode Black People Don’t Swim, dir. Lucilla Blankenberg, (Community Media Trust, 2008). For the full documentary about longboarder Kwezi Qika, see https://www.cmt.org.za/list-of-documentaries/ (scroll down to the film). Amaza, dir. Lucilla Blankenberg, Laddie Bosch and Tim Spring, (Community Media Trust, 2014). This 13 episode TV series was aired on SABC1. https://www.tvsa.co.za/shows/viewshowseasons.aspx?showId=2228&season=1 https://www.cmt.org.za/our-work/#primetimetv For a behind the scenes of making Amaza video, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzA-eWrFj00 We received funding for podcast recording equipment from the Department of Women's and Gender Studies, Faculty of Arts and Humanities, at the University of the Western Cape, as part of the New Imaginaries for an Intersectional Critical Humanities Project on Gender and Sexual Justice, a project funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation. Thanks to Christine King for our logo design. Check out her book, Stormcaller - you can buy it via her website: https://www.christineking.co.za/. Karen Graaff is a Research Fellow, Women's and Gender Studies, University of the Western Cape. Glen Thompson is a Research Fellow, History Department, Stellenbosch University.

    52 min
  2. EPISODE 2

    Surfing about Comix Art with Andy Mason

    In this episode, Glen interviews Andy Mason, comix artist, author of What's So Funny: Under the Skin of South African Cartooning (Double Storey, 2010) and surfer about his latest underground comix, Apocalypse WOW! Revisited (2025). There are several authorial identities that shadow Andy, and you may also know him as N.D. Mazin or Pooh! And Poynton Shute, as you will hear in this episode, is attempting unravel the question: Who is the real Author? While Glen seems to be on a quest to untangle the narrative web spun from Apocalypse WOW! Revisited in revealing utopian impulses. This episode opens up a means to how the South may be represented in the study of comic art.    Complicating the audio nature of podcasting, Andy reads from his comix works during the interview - describing action in panels and giving voice to characters that he was lived with for many years. This is unsettling as reading is the textual practice for comix; and it challenges the will to place content on YouTube to supplement the podcast. The enchantment is listening to how an authorial voice can translate the visual to allow an audience the imaginative space to bring to life the comic form.  The interview picks a theme that's important to The Deep Duck Dive Podcast: surfing in the South - in this case, the imagined utopia of Azania in the comix and some real surf spots in South Africa: on the Wild Coast and Muizenberg. Surfing may be a reference point in this episode but the conversation strays beyond the beach. It touches on Andy's life history, the history of apartheid and post-apartheid South Africa, Left politics, the Sixties and Seventies, environmental threats due to capitalist extractivism, and surfing's counter-cultural ethos and its sell-out to commodification as well as Cape Town's water crisis, living in COVD times, metaphysics, auto-ethnography in comic studies, narrativity in the comix imaginary, and today's visual argot and the possibilities of publishing on demand.  It obliquely mentions Muizenberg Beach (Cape Town, South Africa), well the episode starts there, and then only meanders back later in the conversion to Muizenberg. But it's not a Muizenberg as you may know it: rather its the site of big waves due to climate catastrophe and/or a re-imagined place seen through surf-lingo, meditative mantas, the rise of women's surfing, and surrealist art.  There are lots of intertextual references that float to the surface from Andy's comix work in this episode; which opens up a cultural history of cartooning in South Africa. Here's a sample of what you can listen out for: 100% Mambo surfwear designs from Australia; African Soul Surfer (a mid-1990s South Africa surf magazine); Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow (1973) and cybernetics; the Spy vs Spy comic strip; the influence of the Black Consciousness Movement; the Whole Earth Catalog (1968-1972); Lenin's underground newspaper Iskra; Roger Lucey's song "Lungile Thabalza" (The Road is Much Longer album, 1979) that was banned by the apartheid state; South African Anton Kannemeyer's comix critiquing Afrikaner culture; Carl Jung's psychic archetypes; Steve Fattar of the South African Sixties rock band The Flames; Slavoj Žižek on Artificial Intelligence (AI); American underground cartoonist Rob Crumb; a quote from Ursula Le Guin's Tales from EarthSea (2001); folk-rock singer Bob Dylan; and the Silver Age of comic books.  The full oeuvre of the Azaniamania trilogy that Andy mentions in the episode, which collects his works from 1976 to 2025, are: The Legend of Blue Mamba (2013), Book 1.Apocalypse WOW! Revisited (2025), Book 2, Part 1.The Big Frag and Other Stories (forthcoming), Book 2, part 2.The Kompleat Prezanian Komix (2025), Book 3. You can follow Andy Mason on Instagram.

    1h 32m

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A podcast engaging with the oceanic turn in the global South by focusing on issues that matter within surfing as a lifestyle sport. As co-hosts of the podcast, we have approached podcasting as public pedagogy and public scholarship. Contact us at email: hello@thedeepduckdivepodcast.org.za