The Greener Way

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The Greener Way is your podcast for exploring the big environmental, social and governance questions. Each week, The Greener Way will focus on deep conversations with investment and corporate experts who are deeply engaged in managing the sustainability challenges facing our planet. From climate change to biodiversity, human rights and modern slavery to corporate purpose and governance, we tackle head-on the nuances and trade-offs of our complicated world. The Greener Way is the podcast of FS Sustainability, the premier weekly trade publication that covers how investors and companies are changing real world outcomes across environmental, social and governance issues. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

  1. 4H AGO

    RIAA Conference: Protecting First Nations heritage

    Indigenous Cultural Heritage Protection: Investor Risk, Responsibility & First Nations-Led Governance | The Greener Way This week on The Greener Way, host Michelle Baltazar speaks with Kado Muir, chair of the National Native Title Council ahead of the RIAA Conference in May where Muir is one of the panelists on a session titled, “Indigenous Cultural Heritage Protection: Investor Risk and Responsibility”. Muir argues that tools already exist to protect indigenous heritage, but incentives and governance are lacking, including too few First Nations people in decision-making roles and boards. He urges investors and governments to screen risks, work with First Nations governance institutions, and make cultural heritage protection a non-negotiable in boardroom discussions. 02:20 Responsible investment steps 03:46 Scorecards and governance gaps 06:46 Real world liability examples 11:45 Native title and investor risk 15:53 Building a virtuous cycle 17:50 Standardising with First Nations 19:05 Board representation is a blind spot 22:21 Five years after Juukan Gorge 23:40 Progress and podcast wrap 02:20 Responsible investment steps 03:46 Scorecards and governance gaps 06:46 Real world liability examples 11:45 Native title and investor risk 15:53 Building a virtuous cycle 19:05 Board representation blind spot 22:21 Five years after Juukan 23:40 Positive note and wrap Links: https://www.kadomuir.com.au/ Podcast: My culture story with Kado Muir This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    25 min
  2. ESG in 2026: Evolution or revolution?

    FEB 23

    ESG in 2026: Evolution or revolution?

    Despite global sustainable funds recording more than US$80 billion in net outflows in 2025, Australia and New Zealand are bucking the trend and continue to attract new capital. In this episode, Australian Ethical deputy chief investment officer John Woods unpacks how ESG investing is evolving in 2026, explaining why there's still plenty of opportunities out there for sustainable investors, the importance of transparency, and the need for a reliable ESG fund labelling system. He also breaks down Australian Ethical’s approach to investing in emerging markets, and how it's looking at renewables, climate tech, private credit, and solar‑driven infrastructure. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    22 min
  3. ESG: Clearing the jargon overload

    FEB 16

    ESG: Clearing the jargon overload

    This week on TGW, host Michelle Baltazar welcomes ESG and responsible investing leader Dr Ian Woods to discuss 'ESG Unlocked', a new book he has co-authored with Josh Dowse, which was written to address the disconnect between how companies and investors understand and apply ESG. Woods explains that the book’s aim is to demystify ESG by reducing jargon, joining the dots between corporate and investment perspectives, and showing how ESG integration can support both sustainability outcomes and profits and investment returns. 00:42 Meet Dr. Ian Woods + introducing the book 'ESG Unlocked' 02:07 How the book was born: Bridging the company–investor disconnect 03:52 From climate pioneer to ESG mainstream: What changed over time 06:18 Case study: IAG’s investor-aligned climate journey 08:00 Common ESG investing myths: Divestment, materiality and performance 11:50 The ticking clock: Physical climate risk vs transition risk 14:34 Natural, social, human and financial capital: making ESG relevant 16:21 Behind the scenes: Writing during COVID + making ESG readable 19:04 The next decade: No more “ESG teams”? Links: ESG Unlocked This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    21 min
  4. Data centres under threat from extreme weather

    FEB 9

    Data centres under threat from extreme weather

    In this episode of The Greener Way, host Michelle Baltazar from FS Sustainability, discusses the increasing climate-driven risks to data centers with Julia Leske, managing director at ISS Sustainability. They explore the challenges posed by extreme heat and water stress on data centres globally. Julia shares insights from ISS's report, Actionable Insights: Top Sustainability Themes in 2026, revealing infrastructure vulnerabilities, the urgent need for resilient cooling systems and investment implications. 00:36 Exploring climate risks for data centres 01:06 Data centre resilience 01:44 The biggest climate threats to data centres 02:24 Case Study: Heat waves and water stress 03:47 Global analysis of data centre risks 04:07 Future projections and regional vulnerabilities 06:45 The need for advanced cooling technologies 09:02 Business continuity planning and gaps Links: https://www.issgovernance.com/sustainability/actionable-insights-top-sustainability-themes-in-2026/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    14 min
  5. The steel paradox

    FEB 2

    The steel paradox

    In this episode of The Greener Way, host Michelle Baltazar discusses the critical and complicated role of steel in the transition to a decarbonised future with Fidelity International's Sue-Lyn Stubbs. They discuss the steel paradox and its essential role in economic growth, green technology development versus its high emissions footprint, the financial and regulatory implications, and the effect of methane emissions on the industry. 02:04 Understanding the steel paradox 04:10 Financial risks and opportunities in the steel value chain 06:35 The importance of methane emissions 07:49 Impact on Australian mining companies 08:33 Future of green steel technologies 10:44 Investor engagement and regulatory developments 16:03 The steel methane investor initiative Links: The methane blindspot: Why investors are rethinking their steel value chain exposure This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    18 min
  6. Nature, we have a problem

    JAN 26

    Nature, we have a problem

    Can we really trust the tools measuring biodiversity risk? This week on TGW, Michelle Baltazar, Executive Director of Media at FS Sustainability, sits down with Dr. Jennifer Willetts of Franklin Templeton to unpack one of the biggest questions facing investors today: how do you actually measure biodiversity risk—and are current tools up to the task? Dr. Willetts breaks down the challenges, the latest innovations, and the emerging opportunities for investors looking to understand their biodiversity footprint and drive more sustainable outcomes. 00:00 Introduction: Disagreement among biodiversity tools 00:29 Introducing Dr. Jennifer Willett and her research 01:30 The Complexity of biodiversity metrics 04:00 Key Findings from the biodiversity study 07:04 Challenges and solutions for investors 12:29 The Role of regulation in biodiversity risk 14:24 Emerging opportunities for investors This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    17 min
  7. Fund inflows into sustainable ETFs

    JAN 19

    Fund inflows into sustainable ETFs

    Are investors adding sustainable ETFs to their portfolio? This week on The Greener Way podcast, host Michelle Baltazar chats in the studio with Chris Brycki, founder and CEO of Stockpot, about the returns of sustainable ETFs and market trends that are driving fund inflows. They delve into the growth and divergence in the ESG market, how sustainable ETFs compare with traditional ETFs, and how investors can align their personal values with their investment goals. 00:46 State of sustainable ETFs 02:07 Performance and comparison 03:54 Choosing the right sustainable ETF 05:34 Fees, transparency and ESG ratings 08:43 Challenges and considerations 14:08 Future outlook for sustainable ETFs 17:35 About StockSpot This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    21 min

  8. JAN 12

    Busting the myths about renewables

    This week on 'The Greener Way', host Michelle Baltazar interviews Mike Harut, partner and responsible investment manager at $7bn fund manager Munro Partners. Together they discuss the biggest misconceptions about the performance of renewable companies in the US, the green stocks that defied the odds in 2025 and why TINA (short for 'There Is No Alternative') underpin the future of renewables. Mike also shares insights on how their Climate Leaders fund returned a strong 22 per cent in returns last year. 01:00 Munro Partners is a growth equities specialist 02:57 The renewable sector's performance: myths vs reality 06:30 The future of electricity demand in the US 13:11 China's revised emission targets and investment opportunities 14:44 Performance of the Climate Change Leaders Fund 20:10 What's next? For more info on the Climate Change Leaders fund, see https://www.munropartners.com/. US utility NextEra’s Capital Markets Day shares research on the US electricity system here: https://www.investor.nexteraenergy.com/news-and-events/events-and-presentations/2025/12-08-2025 This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

    22 min
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The Greener Way is your podcast for exploring the big environmental, social and governance questions. Each week, The Greener Way will focus on deep conversations with investment and corporate experts who are deeply engaged in managing the sustainability challenges facing our planet. From climate change to biodiversity, human rights and modern slavery to corporate purpose and governance, we tackle head-on the nuances and trade-offs of our complicated world. The Greener Way is the podcast of FS Sustainability, the premier weekly trade publication that covers how investors and companies are changing real world outcomes across environmental, social and governance issues. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

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  • Creator
    FS Sustainability
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    188
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © Copyright 2026 FS Sustainability
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