The Inclusive Shift

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The Inclusive Shift encourages you to understand what it means to create workplaces where neurodivergent individuals can thrive. Hosted by Nic Nagtzaam, each episode includes heartfelt discussions with neurodivergent professionals, inspiring leaders fostering inclusive environments, and workplace equity experts. We explore challenges, celebrate achievements, and share practical ways to turn awareness into real change. With honest stories, fresh perspectives, and practical solutions, we are building a more inclusive and promising future of work for everyone.

  1. 5d ago

    The Double-Edged Sword of ADHD: From Creative Chaos to Focused Breakthroughs

    Discover how Jorge Santibañez, a solution architect and father, navigates life and work with ADHD. This episode examines the dual nature of ADHD as a double-edged sword, highlighting strengths like creativity and relationship-building, alongside challenges such as distraction and micro-expression fatigue. Gain insights into how understanding and supportive environments can unlock the potential of neurodivergent professionals. Main Topics Covered: Jorge's personal journey with ADHD, diagnosis at age 5, and choosing to manage medicationThe impact of ADHD on creativity, problem-solving, and relationship building at workHow indoor skydiving acts as a focus and grounding activity for JorgeThe double-edged nature of ADHD: creativity versus distractionStrategies for leveraging strengths and managing challenges at workImportance of trust, focus guardrails, and honesty from leadership for neurodivergent employeesThe significance of self-compassion and understanding in navigating mistakesWorkplace adaptations and how organizations can create psychologically safe environmentsFatherhood as a transformative experience influencing Jorge’s perspective on neurodivergenceThe potential for role alignment: role design based on neurodivergent strengthsPractical tips for managers: empathy, understanding stimulus overload, and role customisationResources & Links: ⁠Limitless by Jim Quick⁠⁠Hyperfocus by Chris Bailey⁠Connect with Jorge Santibañez: ⁠LinkedIn⁠

    1h 9m
  2. May 4

    Embracing Neurodiversity in Culture, Work, and Leadership: An Interview with Amin Abbas

    In this episode of The Inclusive Shift, Nic Nagtzaam speaks with Amin Abbas, a passionate advocate for culture, community, and neurodiversity. Amin shares inspiring insights from his Palestinian heritage, his personal experience living with ADHD, and his journey through consulting, startups, and cultural teaching. This conversation highlights how embracing neurodiversity can transform workplaces and leadership styles, promoting authenticity, purpose, and inclusion. Main Topics Covered: The cultural significance of Dabkeh dance and its connection to heritageHow creative expression through dance intersects with ADHD traitsPersonal journey of understanding and leveraging ADHD as a strengthThe importance of workplace accommodations, awareness, and psychological safetyStrategies for managers to better understand and support neurodivergent employeesBuilding an inclusive culture that celebrates individuality and authenticityPractical steps leaders can implement immediately to foster neurodiversity acceptanceThe Canary Code — Insights on neurodiversity and innovationResearch on Neurodivergence in Workplaces — EY report on neurodiversity benefitsAutism and Performance Studies — JPMorgan’s findings on autistic individuals in workplaces Connect with Amin Abbas: ⁠LinkedIn⁠ Additional Notes:This episode underscores the importance of designing workplaces and communities that recognize and embrace different brains, enabling everyone to flourish authentically. Leaders are encouraged to practice empathy, continuously revise organizational values, and celebrate individuality to foster inclusive environments that unlock hidden potentials in neurodivergent professionals and cultural expression alike.

    1h 8m
  3. Mar 22

    Understanding ADHD and Nutrition: Insights from Annika Angelo

    Join Nic Nagtzaam and ADHD nutrition research scientist Annika Angelo as they explore the nuanced connection between neurodiversity, food, and wellbeing. Discover how understanding internal cues, reducing shame, and applying tailored communication strategies can transform the experience of living with ADHD. Main Topics: The behavioural impact of ADHD on eating habits and interoceptionThe metabolic communication model for ADHD and its implicationsStrategies for reducing shame and fostering self-trustPractical approaches for neurodivergent-friendly management in workplacesThe importance of personalized communication and management stylesIn this episode: Annika shares her personal journey with ADHD, burnout, and nutritionDiscussion on the concept of interoception and how it differs in neurodivergent individualsExplanation of Annika’s metabolic communication model and its role in understanding ADHDTackling common misconceptions about ADHD and dietHow cultivating self-trust and reducing shame can support neurodivergent healthThe role of external cues and communication models like PCM in workplace inclusionTips for managers to better support neurodiverse teamsThe importance of recognising individual differences and honouring unique needs Resources & Links: Eat To Focus by Annika Angelo & Kathryn CassadyNutriMind Lab - Annika's platform exploring neuroscience and nutritionProcessing Communication Model (PCM) for understanding communication styles Connect with Annika Angelo: LinkedInInstagramYouTubeThe Nutrition Mental Health PodcastWebsite

    56 min
  4. Mar 8

    Operating Systems of the Mind

    In this episode of The Inclusive Shift, Nic Nagtzaam sits down with Pili Ibanez-Ruiz to explore the complexities of neurodivergence, giftedness, and systemic change. Pili shares her personal journey, challenges with diagnostic labels, and visions for transforming workplaces to be truly inclusive. Key Topics: The limitations and stigma of diagnostic labels and frameworksFraming mental and neurological differences as 'operation systems'The impact of systemic rigidity on neurodivergent and gifted individualsMisunderstandings around autism and neurodivergent communication stylesThe importance of flexible, human-centered approaches in workplacesHow traditional systems hinder authentic expression and insightThe role of social media as a tool for connection and advocacyHope and opportunities for systemic change driven by neurodivergent voices Timestamps:00:00 - Introduction to Pili Ibanez-Ruiz and the theme of inclusive workplaces01:03 - Pili's perception of labels and stigma around diagnosis02:18 - How diagnoses like bipolar or ADHD are human constructions with limitations03:42 - Personal experiences with mental health systems and trauma07:25 - The evolving landscape of mental health care post-COVID09:18 - Framing the brain as an operating system versus outdated diagnosis systems11:00 - Recognizing co-occurring conditions as multiple 'operation systems'13:14 - Living with deep processing and sensitivity as an autistic and gifted individual15:55 - The importance of trauma recovery in developing neurodivergent traits20:55 - Systemic mismatches in education, prisons, and social services22:41 - The penalisation of biological differences rather than systemic reform24:28 - The difficulty neurodivergent people face with ambiguity and societal rules26:40 - Common misconceptions about autism and the importance of understanding the nervous system29:32 - The harmful narrative of "we are all a little autistic"30:56 - Autism spectrum, neurobiology, and how internalized social rules create barriers33:24 - Empathy, sensory sensitivities, and authentic human connection34:24 - How reward systems in workplaces harm autistic and gifted individuals long term36:06 - Rethinking professionalism: emotional expression, authenticity, and flexibility38:37 - The need for workplace accommodations that respect neurodiverse routines41:22 - The damaging effects of micromanagement on neurodivergent cognition44:33 - Misunderstanding autistic communication: eye contact and small talk50:16 - Redesigning professionalism with human-centered, flexible communication styles53:01 - The importance of rest, recovery, and honesty in work environments55:22 - Challenges in mental health systems and the need for compassionate care63:36 - Navigating giftedness alongside autism and its impact on identity68:43 - The value of neurodivergent voices and the risk of silencing insight71:09 - How different 'operating systems' adapt to various environments72:31 - Pili's hope for future systemic change driven by neurodivergent leaders75:03 - Final reflections: redesigning systems to surface truth, safety, and intelligence. Resources & Links: ⁠Neurodiversity in the Workplace – Book⁠⁠DSM Manual (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)⁠Connect with Pili Ibanez-Ruiz: ⁠LinkedIn⁠

    53 min
  5. Feb 16

    Navigating the Hidden Challenges of Dyslexia

    Summary In this episode of the Inclusive Shift, Dr Shae Wissell shares her personal journey with dyslexia and discusses the challenges faced by neurodivergent individuals in the workplace. She highlights the importance of understanding dyslexia as a hidden disability, the financial burdens associated with diagnosis and support, and the emotional toll of navigating systems not designed for neurodivergent brains. Dr Wissell emphasises the need for empathy in leadership, dispels common myths about dyslexia, and advocates using tools and strategies to support dyslexic employees. The conversation also touches on the power of storytelling in creating change and the potential for dyslexic thinking to drive innovation in organisations. Keywords neurodiversity, dyslexia, workplace inclusion, mental health, emotional toll, leadership, self-advocacy, storytelling, innovation, support systems About Shae Dr. Shae Wissell is a thought leader, researcher, and internationally recognised advocate for adults with dyslexia and neurodivergence. A certified practicing speech pathologist, she holds a Master of Public Health and Health Administration and a Doctor of Public Health. With extensive experience in health, not-for-profit, and social enterprise sectors, Shae directs re:think dyslexia and founded the chair of the Dear Dyslexic Foundation, leveraging her lived experience and diverse expertise to provide coaching, advocacy, and workforce solutions. Her research focuses on the lived experiences of Australian adults with dyslexia, examining social inequalities in healthcare, education, employment, relationships, and mental health. A published author and presenter, Shae’s work has been research has been recognised locally and internationally. Shae recently published her second book based on her research and lived experiences Dyslexia: Insights into the hidden disability In and Out of the Workplace.   As a coach, Shae empowers dyslexic individuals and entrepreneurs to achieve their goals through empathetic and impactful coaching. She also advises workplaces on creating inclusive environments and shaping policies and training programs to maximise the potential of neurodiverse employees. Shae’s accomplishments include international awards, a bestselling book, The Hobo CEO: A Year in the Life of a Dyslexic Social Entrepreneur, and the host of the Dear Dyslexic and The Hobo CEO podcasts. Her innovative approach to advocacy, research, and education makes her a valuable champion for the dyslexia community. Listen to the Dear Dyslexia Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/dear-dyslexic-podcast/id1211885219 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0jx91noXTMO4WOuFMNF0GT?si=a0d24fe333d54c6a Find Shae on LinkedIn About Nic ⁠LinkedIn⁠ Getting In Contact LinkedIn: ⁠The Inclusive Shift⁠ Instagram:  ⁠The Inclusive Shift⁠ Facebook:  ⁠The Inclusive Shift⁠ Schedule a session ⁠https://calendly.com/nic-nagtzaam/podcast-interview⁠

    42 min
  6. Jan 5

    Understanding Zoe: Bridging the Gap for Families

    Summary In this episode of the Inclusive Shift, host Nic Nagtzaam speaks with Laetitia Andrac, an autistic founder and CEO of Understanding Zoe, about her personal journey with neurodiversity, the challenges faced by neurodivergent individuals and their families, and the importance of creating inclusive environments in workplaces and schools. Letitia shares insights on the need for accommodations, the role of AI in supporting neurodivergent families, and the significance of understanding and celebrating diverse experiences. The conversation emphasises the importance of curiosity over judgment in fostering inclusion and awareness. Keywords neurodiversity, autism, ADHD, workplace inclusion, Understanding Zoe, neurodivergent support, AI in education, sensory accommodations, family support, neuroaffirming systems About Laetitia LinkedIn Website: Understanding Zoe Research: Making the Invisible Visible From therapy coordination to workplace stigma, NDIS navigation to school meetings, the 2025 Making the Invisible Visible report reveals what 1,091 Australian families experience every day. Families where 93% feel misunderstood or invisible, yet carry profound strength, hope, and love. Podcast: Neurodivergent Pulse on Spotify or Apple Podcasts About Nic LinkedIn Getting In Contact LinkedIn: The Inclusive Shift Instagram: The Inclusive Shift Facebook: The Inclusive Shift Schedule a session https://calendly.com/nic-nagtzaam/podcast-interview

    1h 10m

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The Inclusive Shift encourages you to understand what it means to create workplaces where neurodivergent individuals can thrive. Hosted by Nic Nagtzaam, each episode includes heartfelt discussions with neurodivergent professionals, inspiring leaders fostering inclusive environments, and workplace equity experts. We explore challenges, celebrate achievements, and share practical ways to turn awareness into real change. With honest stories, fresh perspectives, and practical solutions, we are building a more inclusive and promising future of work for everyone.