The Interlocutor Podcast

Tyrel Cameron Eskelson

The Interlocutor Podcast is a series of long-form conversations about people shaped by place. Through discussions of upbringing, travel, identity, memory, history, and cultural change, guests reflect on the experiences that formed them and altered the way they see the world. Conversations feature writers, historians, travelers, journalists, and cultural voices from around the world, with a particular interest in Taiwan and East Asia. Past guests include Kevin Kelly, Emily Wu, Shelly Rigger, and Eryk Michael Smith. Hosted by Tyrel Cameron Eskelson, author of Taiwan 22: Travels in Paradox

  1. 7h ago

    Patrick Leigh Fermor: An Adventure - Artemis Cooper - The Interlocutor Podcast

    KeywordsArtemis Cooper, Patrick Leigh Fermor, biography, travel literature, World War II, Greece, adventure, writing process, identity, EgyptSummaryIn this engaging conversation, Tyrel Cameron Eskelson interviews Artemis Cooper about her biography of Patrick Leigh Fermor, exploring his life, travels, and the impact of his experiences on his writing. They discuss Artemis's early influences, her passion for travel literature, and the significance of Paddy's journey across Europe just before World War II. The conversation delves into Paddy's complex childhood, his quest for identity, and the challenges he faced as a writer. Artemis shares insights into her own adventure of documenting Paddy's life and the importance of his relationships, particularly with Joan, as they built a life together in Greece.Sound Bites"Books were always there, like food and air.""The joy just pours out of that book.""An adventure sums up a lot of Paddy."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Artemis Cooper03:23 Early Influences and Experiences06:00 Travel Literature and Its Impact08:48 Patrick Lee Fermor's Childhood11:41 The Journey Begins: A Quest for Identity14:20 The First Great Adventure: Traveling Across Europe17:12 The Art of Writing: Challenges and Insights20:02 Love and Life in Romania22:38 The Significance of Timing: Pre-War Europe29:08 Reconnecting with the Past33:35 Ambivalence Towards Change34:16 The Role of Intelligence in War35:15 The Kruiper Operation: A Bold Plan46:23 Retracing Historical Steps49:45 Love and Partnership in Greece58:06 The Adventure of Writing a BiographyLearn more about Artemis Cooper here: https://www.artemiscooper.com/

    Patrick Leigh Fermor: An Adventure - Artemis Cooper - The Interlocutor Podcast
  2. 3d ago

    He Returned to Taiwan After 53 Years, And Found His Old Apartment

    What does it feel like to return to a place that helped shape you, after more than half a century away?In 1973, TC Brown left Taiwan. He had arrived as a young American serviceman during a radically different era, lived through the final years of martial law, and experienced a country that was still far less developed than the Taiwan of today.Fifty-three years later, he returned.TC's Taipei Times Feature: https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2026/06/23/2003859565In this conversation, TC reflects on encountering a Taiwan transformed almost beyond recognition, from the rice fields he remembered to the modern city stretching toward the mountains. He talks about rediscovering old places, Taiwan's extraordinary hospitality, convenience stores, scooters, night markets, music, martial law, and the surprising interest Taiwanese researchers have in the period when large numbers of Americans were stationed on the island.Then came one of the most unexpected moments of the trip.After TC shared an old photograph, local researchers managed to find the apartment where he had once lived with his girlfriend. Standing outside it decades later, something suddenly hit him.For a moment, he says, he felt as though he was there again.This is a conversation about Taiwan then and now, but also about memory, the places that shape us, and what it means to return to a part of your own past.TC Brown is a journalist, author, and Vietnam War veteran. His memoir, Made in Taiwan: A Naive American's Chaotic Journey to Manhood in an Exotic Culture During Radical Times, tells the story of his years in Taiwan as a young man. In 2025, he returned to Taiwan for the first time in 53 years.Topics discussed include:• Returning to Taiwan after 53 years• How Taipei has changed since the late 1960s and early 1970s• Rice fields, skyscrapers, scooters, and Taiwan's rapid transformation• Finding the apartment where TC once lived• An unexpected emotional moment outside his old home• Taiwan under martial law• Taiwanese disco music and cultural resistance• American music and AFNT radio in Taiwan• The historical memory of the American military presence• Night markets, food, convenience stores, and Taiwanese hospitality• Returning to places that helped shape who we become• Why TC says Taiwan could feel like home againIf you enjoy long-form conversations about people, places, memory, and lived experience, please consider liking, subscribing, and sharing the episode.#Taiwan #TaiwanHistory #Taipei #TaiwanTravel #Podcast #History#TravelStories #MadeInTaiwanTaiwanTaiwan podcastTaiwan historyTaiwan travelTaiwan then and nowTaiwan 1970sTaiwan 1960sTaiwan martial lawTaiwan under martial lawTaiwan American military historyAmericans in TaiwanUS military in TaiwanCCK Air BaseTaichung historyTaipei historyTaiwan nostalgiareturning to Taiwanreturning after 53 yearsTaiwan after 50 yearsTaiwan transformationTaiwan developmentTaiwan memoriesMade in Taiwan TC BrownTC BrownTC Brown authorVietnam War veteranAmerican memoir TaiwanTaiwan memoirlife in Taiwan 1970sTaiwan cultureTaiwan music historyTaiwanese discoAFNT TaiwanAmerican Forces Network TaiwanTaiwan travel podcastTaiwan storiesTaiwan personal historyreturning to your past

    He Returned to Taiwan After 53 Years, And Found His Old Apartment
  3. Aug 21

    Taiwan's Hidden Human Rights Problem & Cross-Strait Tensions - Kristina Kironska

    Kristina Kironska joins The Interlocutor Podcast for a wide-ranging conversation about Taiwan, human rights, refugees, statelessness, cross-strait relations, Myanmar, and the complicated relationship between democracy and human rights.Taiwan is often celebrated as a beacon of democracy and human rights. But, as Kristina explains, its human-rights landscape also contains some surprising contradictions, including the fact that Taiwan does not have a national asylum law.We discuss how people can become stateless in Taiwan, including undocumented migrant workers and their children, as well as the unusual situation faced by stateless Tibetans and foreign spouses. Kristina also shares findings from her research into how Taiwanese people view refugees and the possibility of an asylum law.The conversation then turns to cross-strait relations and a large-scale survey in which “tension” was the dominant response when Taiwanese respondents were asked what first came to mind when thinking about Taiwan-China relations.Kristina also draws on her years researching and living in Myanmar to explain the country's ongoing civil war, the persecution of the Rohingya, the 2021 military coup, the fragmented resistance movement, and China's role in Myanmar.Finally, we discuss the emotional challenges of human-rights work and Kristina's advice for young people who want to make a difference.In this conversation:• Taiwan's surprising human-rights contradictions• Why Taiwan has no asylum law• How people can become stateless in Taiwan• Stateless Tibetans and foreign spouses• Taiwanese attitudes toward refugees• Cross-strait relations and the psychology of anxiety• The Rohingya and the genocide in Myanmar• Myanmar after the 2021 coup• China's interests and influence in Myanmar• The emotional toll of human-rights work• Advice for young people entering the fieldKristina Kironska is a researcher and human-rights advocate whose work focuses on Taiwan, Myanmar, refugees, statelessness, and human rights in Asia.If you enjoy long-form conversations about how people, places, and lived experience shape the way we see the world, consider subscribing to The Interlocutor Podcast.#Taiwan #HumanRights #TaiwanPolitics #Refugees #Statelessness #Myanmar #China #CrossStraitRelations #Rohingya #TheInterlocutorPodcastKeywords Taiwan, Taiwan human rights, Taiwan asylum law, Taiwan refugees, refugees in Taiwan, statelessness Taiwan, stateless people Taiwan, Taiwan politics, Taiwan China relations, cross strait relations, cross-strait tensions, Taiwan democracy, Taiwan human rights issues, human rights Taiwan, Kristina Kironska, Kristina Kironska Taiwan, Myanmar, Myanmar human rights, Myanmar civil war, Myanmar coup, Rohingya, Rohingya genocide, China Myanmar relations, China Myanmar, refugees, asylum law, stateless refugees, Tibetans in Taiwan, Taiwan foreign policy, democracy in Taiwan, human rights in Asia, human rights advocacy, Amnesty International, Asia politics, Taiwan podcast, Taiwan interview, Taiwan expert, The Interlocutor Podcast

    Taiwan's Hidden Human Rights Problem & Cross-Strait Tensions - Kristina Kironska
  4. Aug 9

    Long Haul: Hunting the Highway Serial Killers - Frank Figliuzzi

    KeywordsHighway Serial Killers, Frank Figliuzzi, trucking industry, long-haul truckers, sex trafficking, crime analysis, pre-victimization, data collection, VICAP, Starfish Place, true crime, The FBI WaySummaryIn this conversation, Tyrel Cameron Eskelson interviews Frank Figliuzzi, a former FBI agent and author, about his book 'Long Haul: Hunting the Highway Serial Killers.' They discuss the Highway Serial Killers Initiative, the long-haul trucking industry, and the connections between trucking and sex trafficking. Figliuzzi shares insights from his research, including the hierarchy within the trucking industry, the concept of pre-victimization in trafficking, and the recruitment of women from prisons. He also highlights the importance of viewing victims as individuals and the challenges in data collection for crime analysis. The conversation concludes with his reflections on the feedback he has received regarding his book and the significance of its title.TakeawaysThe Highway Serial Killers Initiative was crucial in addressing serial murders by truckers.Terry Turner was instrumental in bringing attention to the issue of truckers and serial killings.Long-haul truckers often have unique lifestyles that can contribute to criminal behavior.The trucking industry has a hierarchy that affects the behavior of its drivers.Pre-victimization is a common background trait among women in sex trafficking.Women can be recruited into trafficking from prison environments.Starfish Place is a supportive environment for trafficking survivors.Understanding the individual stories of trafficking victims is essential for effective intervention.VICAP is a valuable tool for law enforcement but is underutilized.The trucking profession has a significant impact on the economy despite the small fraction of truckers who commit crimes.

    Long Haul: Hunting the Highway Serial Killers - Frank Figliuzzi
  5. Aug 8

    Lonely Planet Founder Tony Wheeler on Travel and Adventure

    Sound Bites"We were pioneers in Southeast Asia.""I still get a kick out of what we did.""I don't plan to go everywhere."Join host of The Interlocutor Podcast Tyrel Cameron Eskelson for an in-depth interview with Tony Wheeler, the visionary founder of Lonely Planet, the world’s leading travel guide publisher. In this compelling conversation, Tony shares his extraordinary journey from an adventurous backpacker to creating one of the most iconic and trusted travel brands globally. Tony Wheeler is a pioneering travel writer and entrepreneur best known as the co-founder of Lonely Planet, one of the world’s most iconic and trusted travel guidebook publishers. Born in 1946 in England, Wheeler’s passion for travel and exploration began in his youth and blossomed during his backpacking journeys through Asia in the early 1970s.In 1973, Tony and his wife Maureen published their first guidebook, “Across Asia on the Cheap,” which detailed their extensive overland trip from London to Australia. This book laid the foundation for what would become Lonely Planet, a brand synonymous with adventure travel and practical, independent guidance for travelers worldwide.Under Tony’s leadership, Lonely Planet revolutionized travel publishing by providing detailed, honest, and budget-friendly information that empowered a generation of backpackers and explorers. The company grew rapidly, expanding its reach to cover virtually every corner of the globe and influencing how people travel by emphasizing cultural understanding, responsible tourism, and immersive experiences.Beyond his work with Lonely Planet, Tony Wheeler is an accomplished author, having written numerous books on travel and culture. His deep knowledge of travel logistics, history, and storytelling has earned him respect across the travel industry.In recent years, Tony has continued to advocate for sustainable tourism and the importance of travel in fostering global connections and empathy. His vision has inspired countless travelers to seek authentic experiences and approach the world with curiosity and respect.Today, Tony Wheeler remains an influential figure in the world of travel, embodying the spirit of adventure and the transformative power of exploration.Keywords: Tony Wheeler, Lonely Planet, travel guides, backpacking, travel culture, adventure travel, sustainable tourism, travel industry insights, travel publishing, global exploration, digital travel revolution, post-pandemic travel, responsible tourism, travel tips, iconic travel brands.TakeawaysTony Wheeler's early life in Karachi shaped his travel perspective.The hippie trail was a pivotal experience for Tony and Maureen.Lonely Planet started due to a lack of travel information.Travel writing can significantly impact destinations.The Vietnam War influenced travel attitudes in the 70s.Long-term travel offers profound personal growth.The internet transformed the travel guide industry.Travel goals evolve with age and experience.Bali's over-tourism is a concern for many travelers.Tony plans to explore Jamaica and Nepal in the near future.Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more travel interviews and stories!#TonyWheeler#LonelyPlanet#TravelGuides#Backpacking#TravelCulture#AdventureTravel#SustainableTourism#ResponsibleTravel#TravelIndustry#TravelTips#GlobalExploration#TravelInspiration#Wanderlust#TravelInterview#DigitalTravel#PostPandemicTravel#TravelStories#TravelCommunity#TravelBusiness#exploretheworld

    Lonely Planet Founder Tony Wheeler on Travel and Adventure
  6. Aug 6

    To See Ourselves: A Memoir by Alistair Moffat

    In this engaging conversation, historian Alistair Moffat discusses the intricate relationship between geography and history in Scotland, tracing the impact of early tribes like the Caledonians and Picts. He shares personal anecdotes about his ancestry, the significance of learning Gaelic, and the cultural connections between Scotland and Canada through place names. Moffat reflects on the transformative effects of post-war housing, the decline of local economies, and the importance of newspaper readership in shaping public discourse. He also highlights the Great Tapestry of Scotland as a powerful storytelling medium and delves into the meaning behind the title of his memoir, 'To See Ourselves.'KeywordsScottish history, geography, Caledonians, Picts, Gaelic, ancestry, place names, prefab homes, local economies, newspapers, Great Tapestry of Scotland, memoirTakeawaysGeography shapes history, influencing culture and society.The Caledonians and Picts played significant roles in early Scottish history.Personal ancestry connects individuals to broader historical narratives.Learning Gaelic offers deeper insights into Scottish culture.Scottish place names in Canada reflect historical migration patterns.Post-war prefab homes transformed living conditions in Scotland.Local economies fostered community interactions that have diminished over time.The decline of newspaper readership has impacted public discourse.The Great Tapestry of Scotland is a powerful storytelling medium.The memoir's title reflects the importance of perspective in understanding history.Chapters00:00 The Importance of Geography in Scottish History04:27 The Caledonians and Picts: Early Scottish Tribes09:03 Tracing Ancestry: Personal Connections to Scottish History14:49 Learning Gaelic: Insights into Scottish Culture19:06 Scottish Place Names in Canada: A Cultural Connection24:23 Post-War Housing: The Impact of Prefab Homes28:45 Local Economies: The Shift from Community to Supermarkets31:49 The Decline of Newspaper Reading in Scotland35:25 The Great Tapestry of Scotland: A Cultural Project41:04 To See Ourselves: The Memoir's Title and Meaning#ScottishHistory#Scotland#ScottishHeritage#ScottishCulture#HistoryPodcast#HistoryTalk#HistoryLovers#BritishHistory#CelticHistory#HighlandHistory

    To See Ourselves: A Memoir by Alistair Moffat

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The Interlocutor Podcast is a series of long-form conversations about people shaped by place. Through discussions of upbringing, travel, identity, memory, history, and cultural change, guests reflect on the experiences that formed them and altered the way they see the world. Conversations feature writers, historians, travelers, journalists, and cultural voices from around the world, with a particular interest in Taiwan and East Asia. Past guests include Kevin Kelly, Emily Wu, Shelly Rigger, and Eryk Michael Smith. Hosted by Tyrel Cameron Eskelson, author of Taiwan 22: Travels in Paradox