In Part II of this ongoing conversation, Josh continues his dialogue with Robert Caldwell and Keith Reynolds, deepening the exploration of surrender, obedience, and belonging. Set in the season of Advent, this episode reflects on waiting, disorientation, and unfinishedness as sacred spaces where faith is formed. Drawing on Scripture and lived experience, the conversation challenges self-sufficient models of Christianity and imagines a more honest, dependent way of following God—one shaped by suffering, humility, and spiritual friendship. Together, the hosts wrestle with the future of the church, the limits of institutional models, and the hope that emerges when control is relinquished and life is received as gift rather than project. At its heart, this episode affirms that asking the question is itself an act of hope, and that new light often comes not through certainty, but through surrender. 0:00 - Surrendering to God; learning through suffering 01:19 - Introducing Robert Caldwell & Keith Reynolds; focus on faithfulness 03:31 - The “finished man,” self-sufficiency, and Advent’s invitation to need 04:51 - Deconstruction, holding space for pain and hope 06:29 - Community, vulnerability, and hope in belonging 07:46 - Church planting: critique of megachurches, seeking authenticity 14:22 - Launching a new church; forming a core team 18:03 - Mentorship, transparency, and organic process 22:48 - Living in the community; challenging church norms 24:30 - New wine in new wineskins; generational shifts 27:21 - Outward-facing church; serving the marginalized 29:20 - Social location, calling, and never forgetting one’s roots 36:40 - Returning to serve in one’s own neighborhood 41:52 - Living out faith; surrender and next steps For more information visit: www.theinvitationcenter.org For information about the pending DMin cohort at Western Theological Seminary, visit: https://www.westernsem.edu/admissions/
