The Legacy Academy

Natalia Ouellette-Grice and Justin Grice
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The Legacy Academy isn’t your typical law podcast, it’s where wealth builders, business owners, and real estate investors come to learn how to protect what they’ve worked for and build legacies that last for generations. Hosted by attorney and author Natalia Ouellette-Grice, JD, MBA, co-founder of LCO Law, The Legacy Academy dives deep into the legal, tax, and strategic foundations that fuel long-term success. With over 15 years of experience in estate planning, asset protection, and real estate law, Natalia breaks down complex concepts into real-world, actionable insights. Whether you’re forming an entity, structuring a trust, or navigating Florida’s foreclosure or probate systems. Each episode blends law, strategy, and storytelling, helping entrepreneurs and investors understand not just how to grow their wealth, but how to keep it safe from lawsuits, taxes, and the unexpected. Featuring industry experts, investor case studies, and insider tips, The Legacy Academy equips you to think like the ultra-wealthy and act like the prepared. Because legacy isn’t built by chance, it’s built by choice.

  1. Ordinary Income vs Capital Gains: Why Every Investor Should Care

    FEB 10

    Ordinary Income vs Capital Gains: Why Every Investor Should Care

    One of the biggest tax misunderstandings in real estate investing isn’t depreciation… and it isn’t deductions. It’s how your profit is classified. In this episode, we explain the critical difference between ordinary income and capital gains and why that single classification can dramatically change how much tax you actually pay when you sell a property. Many investors assume that owning real estate automatically qualifies them for favorable capital gains treatment. In reality, the IRS does not tax real estate based on what you bought, it taxes you based on how you operate. We walk through what determines whether a property sale is taxed at higher ordinary income rates or lower capital gains rates, including how the IRS analyzes investor behavior, holding periods, and intent. Inside this episode, we cover: The legal definition of ordinary income vs. capital gains in real estate investing Episode 10Why house flippers are usually taxed as dealers instead of investorsHow long-term capital gains qualification actually worksThe IRS “dealer vs investor” analysis and the concept of substantial, continuous, and frequent salesHow depreciation and depreciation recapture affect taxable gain Episode 10Why entity structure (LLC, partnership, S-Corp) does not automatically change tax character What documentation investors should keep to support their tax position Episode 10When a long-held property can still be taxed as ordinary incomeHow classification affects eligibility for tax-deferral strategies like 1031 exchanges We also discuss risks many investors don’t realize: If the IRS determines your activity looks like an active real estate business instead of passive investing, your profits may be taxed at significantly higher rates — even if you owned the property for years. This conversation will help you understand how the IRS views real estate activity — and why tax planning needs to start before you buy, not after you sell. 🎧 Listen now to learn how the character of your income can determine the success of your investing strategy.

    36 min
  2. Common Tax Mistakes That Cost Real Estate Investors Thousands

    FEB 3

    Common Tax Mistakes That Cost Real Estate Investors Thousands

    In this episode of the podcast, we break down the most common tax mistakes real estate investors make. Mistakes that quietly destroy cash flow, trigger unnecessary audits, and cost investors tens of thousands of dollars over time. Whether you’re a new investor or have an established portfolio, tax planning mistakes often don’t come from bad intentions, they come from bad assumptions, outdated advice, or treating tax decisions as an afterthought instead of a strategy. We cover real-world issues investors face, including: Choosing the wrong entity structure for rentals or flipsConfusing tax preparation with proactive tax planningFailing to plan for depreciation, recapture, and exit strategiesMixing personal and business expensesRelying on generic CPA advice not tailored to real estate investorsMissing opportunities tied to timing, elections, and asset protectionIgnoring how tax decisions impact probate, estate planning, and legacy goalsThis conversation is especially relevant for: Real estate investorsBusiness ownersHigh-income professionals with rental propertiesAnyone scaling beyond a single propertyWe also explain why “doing it later” is often the most expensive tax decision an investor makes and how proactive planning can legally reduce tax exposure while aligning with long-term wealth and legacy goals. If you’ve ever wondered: “Am I structured correctly for tax purposes?”“Why does my tax bill keep growing even though my portfolio is profitable?”“Is my CPA helping me plan, or just filing returns?”This episode will give you clarity and probably a few uncomfortable realizations. 🎧 Listen now to learn how to spot these tax traps before they cost you real money.

    37 min
  3. REPS Part 3 - The Short Term Rental Loophole

    JAN 20

    REPS Part 3 - The Short Term Rental Loophole

    What if you could unlock massive tax deductions from your rental property—without qualifying as a Real Estate Professional? That’s the power of the Short-Term Rental Loophole (STRL). In this episode of The Legacy Academy, attorney and tax strategist Natalia Ouellette-Grice, JD, MBA breaks down one of the most powerful and misunderstood opportunities in the tax code for real estate investors. She explains how the IRS treats short-term rentals differently from traditional long-term properties, allowing investors to convert what would normally be passive losses into active deductions. Natalia unpacks the material participation rules that make this loophole work—and the critical mistakes that can cause investors to lose eligibility. She reveals why the rule exists (hint: it was originally written for hotels and motels), how personal use affects qualification, and why even spending more than 14 days in your property could disqualify you. Listeners will also learn how having employees or contractors can jeopardize the loophole if they log more hours on the property than the owner, and what happens when the property is located outside the U.S.—including the limits on bonus depreciation for foreign assets. With her trademark clarity and practical insight, Natalia demystifies this often-misused tax strategy and shows investors how to legitimately leverage it to reduce their taxable income while staying compliant. If you own—or are considering buying—a short-term rental, this episode could be the difference between a costly mistake and a powerful tax advantage.

    15 min
  4. REPS Part 2: Changing Passive Activities into Active Trades and Businesses

    JAN 13

    REPS Part 2: Changing Passive Activities into Active Trades and Businesses

    In real estate, not all income is created equal—and the difference between passive and active can mean thousands of dollars in tax liability. In this follow-up episode of The Legacy Academy, attorney and tax strategist Natalia Ouellette-Grice, JD, MBA continues her deep dive into Section 469 of the Internal Revenue Code, focusing on how investors can transform passive real estate activities into active trades or businesses. She explains the IRS’s default presumption that rental activities are passive, and what it actually takes to overcome that classification through material participation. Natalia walks through the seven material participation tests outlined in the tax regulations and demystifies what truly counts as “active involvement” versus passive oversight. Reviewing financial statements, monitoring operations, or compiling reports for personal use doesn’t make you active—but managing, developing, leasing, or operating your properties does. You’ll also learn which real property activities qualify for Real Estate Professional Status (REPS)—including development, acquisition, and management—and which don’t, such as manufacturing building materials, mining, or agricultural operations. Natalia connects these distinctions to real-world implications, showing how correct classification can unlock deductions, reduce taxable income, and create long-term strategic flexibility for investors. Whether you’re looking to maximize your deductions, qualify for REPS, or simply understand the tax consequences of your business model, this episode delivers the clarity every investor needs to move from passive participant to active wealth builder.

    20 min
  5. Real Estate Professional Status

    JAN 6

    Real Estate Professional Status

    For real estate investors, few tax designations are as powerful—or as misunderstood—as Real Estate Professional Status (REPS) under Section 469 of the Internal Revenue Code. This isn’t just another label. It can determine whether you get to fully deduct your real estate losses against active income or lose those deductions to passive loss limitations. In this episode of The Legacy Academy, attorney and tax strategist Natalia Ouellette-Grice, JD, MBA breaks down exactly what REPS means, how it works, and who truly qualifies. She explains the two-part test that separates serious real estate professionals from passive investors, and why hours logged in qualifying real property activities matter more than most people realize. Natalia explores the common hurdles investors face—especially those with full-time jobs outside real estate—and what the IRS looks for when challenging REPS claims. She also clears up the confusion around married filers: while spouses can share hours for material participation, the taxpayer claiming REPS must still meet the quantitative tests personally. Listeners will also gain clarity on which types of activities—like development, management, or brokerage—count toward qualification, and which don’t. Natalia highlights the real-world tax advantages of earning REPS, such as deducting rental losses in the current year and reducing exposure to the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT). But she also cautions that REPS isn’t without risk. The documentation burden is heavy, audits are common, and failing to maintain accurate records can turn this tax-saving opportunity into an expensive lesson. If you’re serious about scaling your real estate portfolio or optimizing your tax position, this episode will help you understand when Real Estate Professional Status is worth pursuing—and how to do it right.

    16 min
  6. Natalia's Top Ten Tax Tips for 2026

    12/30/2025

    Natalia's Top Ten Tax Tips for 2026

    The 2026 tax landscape is shaping up to be one of the most consequential years real estate investors have seen in decades. Between proposed limits to 1031 exchanges, tighter IRS audit scrutiny, and shifting rules around depreciation, entity taxation, and estate exemptions, the financial moves you make now could define your long-term wealth strategy. In this episode of The Legacy Academy, attorney and tax strategist Natalia Ouellette-Grice, JD, MBA unpacks the top 10 tax issues that every investor needs to understand before heading into 2026. She dives deep into how accelerated depreciation and cost-segregation studies can create unexpected recapture risks—and how a properly structured 1031 exchange can offset some of those effects when done strategically. Natalia also explores which entity structures—LLCs, partnerships, and trusts—offer the most tax efficiency in the coming year, and how poor recordkeeping can leave investors vulnerable to audit penalties. She breaks down the impact of the upcoming estate-tax exemption changes on generational planning, and why family LLCs may become even more valuable for wealth transfer and protection. Throughout the episode, Natalia highlights real-world mistakes she’s seen investors make—such as misclassifying income, misusing depreciation, or failing to plan around leveraged deductions—and offers practical, legally sound strategies to avoid costly errors. She also sheds light on new audit red flags, including risky deductions, chaotic capital accounts, and misuse of real-estate-professional status. If you own investment property, run an active real estate business, or simply want to make smarter tax moves for the years ahead, this episode will give you the clarity and foresight to protect your profits, minimize risk, and preserve your legacy.

    27 min
  7. Flipping vs Holding: How Tax Treatment Changes Everything

    12/23/2025

    Flipping vs Holding: How Tax Treatment Changes Everything

    wo investors. Two properties. One massive tax difference. 💸 In this episode of The Legacy Academy, attorney and tax strategist Natalia Ouellette-Grice, JD, MBA unpacks the critical tax distinctions between flipping and holding real estate — and why getting this wrong can cost investors thousands. Natalia explains how the IRS decides whether you’re an investor or a dealer, what that means for your tax rate, and how to legally minimize self-employment tax exposure. She also covers depreciation, passive income rules, installment sales, and the latest tax law trends shaping real estate strategies. Whether you’re flipping for quick profits or holding to build generational wealth, this episode gives you the insight you need to plan smarter and protect your returns. 💡 In this episode: How the IRS determines if you’re “flipping” or “investing”Why flippers face higher taxes (and how to plan around it)The long-term tax advantages of holding real estateWhat recent tax law updates mean for investors todayIf you want to stop guessing and start structuring your deals with purpose, this episode is your playbook for smarter tax strategy.

    25 min
  8. Entity Selection for Investors: LLC, S-Corp, or Partnership?

    12/16/2025

    Entity Selection for Investors: LLC, S-Corp, or Partnership?

    Your entity choice can make—or break—your real estate investment strategy. 💼 In this episode of The Legacy Academy, attorney and tax strategist Natalia Ouellette-Grice, JD, MBA breaks down one of the most misunderstood (and costly) decisions investors face: choosing the right entity structure. Whether you’re holding rentals, flipping houses, or scaling your real estate portfolio, your tax treatment depends on how you set up your business. Natalia walks you through the real-world differences between LLCs, S-Corporations, and Partnerships, explaining when each makes sense—and when it can become a liability. She covers self-employment taxes, income allocations, distributions, and what happens when you convert or restructure your entity. 💡 In this episode: When (and why) to use an LLC taxed as a partnership vs. an S-CorpHow S-Corp rules can hurt real estate investors who buy-and-holdWhat happens when you distribute property—not cash—from your entityHow your structure affects depreciation, capital raising, and 1031 exchangesIf you’ve ever wondered whether you’re using the right entity for your investment strategy, this episode will help you make smarter, tax-efficient decisions that protect your assets and grow your legacy.

    28 min
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The Legacy Academy isn’t your typical law podcast, it’s where wealth builders, business owners, and real estate investors come to learn how to protect what they’ve worked for and build legacies that last for generations. Hosted by attorney and author Natalia Ouellette-Grice, JD, MBA, co-founder of LCO Law, The Legacy Academy dives deep into the legal, tax, and strategic foundations that fuel long-term success. With over 15 years of experience in estate planning, asset protection, and real estate law, Natalia breaks down complex concepts into real-world, actionable insights. Whether you’re forming an entity, structuring a trust, or navigating Florida’s foreclosure or probate systems. Each episode blends law, strategy, and storytelling, helping entrepreneurs and investors understand not just how to grow their wealth, but how to keep it safe from lawsuits, taxes, and the unexpected. Featuring industry experts, investor case studies, and insider tips, The Legacy Academy equips you to think like the ultra-wealthy and act like the prepared. Because legacy isn’t built by chance, it’s built by choice.

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  • Creator
    Natalia Ouellette-Grice and Justin Grice
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    53
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2025 2023
  • Show Website
    The Legacy Academy