The Milk Check

T.C. Jacoby & Co. - Dairy Traders

Experienced dairy traders discuss current market trends that affect payments to dairy farmers.

  1. 12/28/2025

    Valley Queen on casein vs. whey. Plus, where whey goes from here.

    In this episode of The Milk Check, Ted Jacoby III welcomes Lloyd Metzger and TJ Jacoby of Valley Queen Cheese Company for a deep dive into the science, functionality and future of dairy proteins. The conversation starts at the molecular level – the difference between casein and whey – and builds toward the real-world implications for product developers, processors and nutrition brands. We cover: Why casein is built to carry calcium (and whey isn’t) How heat and pH change protein behavior Fast versus slow digestion and why both matter The role of whey protein in muscle maintenance, aging and GLP-1 nutrition What pro cream really is and why its value may be underestimated Why cellular agriculture is more niche than threat If you work in dairy, food formulation or nutrition, this is a protein conversation worth digesting. Got questions? We’d love to hear them. Submit below, and we might answer it on the show. Ask The Milk Check TMC-Intro-final [00:00:00] Ted Jacoby III: Hi everybody, and thank you for joining us today for this very special recording of the Milk Check Podcast. Today, our topic is: what is the future of dairy proteins? And we have two very special guests. The first is Lloyd Metzger, VP of Quality and Technical Services for Valley Queen Cheese Company, and formerly Professor of Dairy Science at South Dakota State University. And the second, particularly special to me, is my son TJ Jacoby, Whey Technologist for Valley Queen. A South Dakota State graduate. Someone who has been interested in dairy proteins since his first biology class in high school. Guys, thank you for joining us today and welcome to The Milk Check. Lloyd Metzger: Glad to be here. TJ Jacoby: Good to be on, Dad. Ted Jacoby III: It’s December 18th, 2025. Milk production in the US is up 4%. Milk production in Europe is up something similar. Milk production in New Zealand is up. Milk production in Argentina is up. We are definitely in an [00:01:00] environment today where the supply of milk and dairy is overwhelming demand, at least for the moment. Cheese prices are near historical lows. Butter prices are near historical lows. Nonfat milk, skim milk powder prices are on the low end of the range. This market is a market that feels heavy, and I think most people out there would say, it almost feels like even though we’re at lows, we may actually go lower before we go higher. And yet, on the other hand, there are whey proteins, Josh, if I’m not mistaken, whey proteins just hit historical highs. Josh White: Maybe the highest prices we’ve ever seen for whey protein isolate and WPC 80. Ted Jacoby III: So, we have an environment where the demand on the protein side is extremely strong, and the trends on protein consumption are extremely strong and really feel like they’re gonna be around for quite some time. We’ve got baby boomers retiring and whether it’s because of GLP-1s or it’s just a general knowledge and understanding of what human nutritional needs are as people age, they know that they need more protein in their [00:02:00] diet. So, it begs the question: what is going on with dairy proteins and whey proteins and how is this going to evolve in such a unique market where demand is so strong for protein right now? And so, I’m gonna ask the question first. What’s the difference at a molecular level between whey proteins and milk proteins? Because when we’re in an environment like we are now, where you’ve got the demand really, really high, you also have a market that’s gonna start looking for alternatives, simply because prices are so high. What is the difference between milk proteins in general and whey protein specifically? Lloyd Metzger: It’s important to talk about from a functional perspective how the proteins are different. I’m sure we’ll get into the nutritional differences between those proteins as well. It’s important to understand what’s driving those differences in functional characteristics. And it’s really all about calcium. The casein system is designed to carry calcium. The whey protein system is not designed to carry calcium. That differentiates the two groups of [00:03:00] proteins and makes their properties very different. TJ Jacoby: I’ll explain it like this. Milk proteins, there’s two classes of proteins, right? There’s casein and then there’s whey. The casein is used to make cheese, and then the whey protein is what comes off. So, the whey protein is everything that is not used to make cheese. So, the reason why casein proteins works so well for cheese because those proteins like to fall together in these spheres, they like to stick to one another. They like to stick to one another ’cause they have certain groups that latch onto the calcium and then they bridge with phosphate. When they do, they have multiple proteins, different types of casein proteins that bridge together with phosphate and then based on their repulsion forces, they stick together. Calcium and phosphates really help it stick when we make cheese. The outside of that casein, micelle, that ball, when we make cheese, that outside is stripped off, it becomes hydrophobic, and that causes those spheres to stick together. That’s a huge functional property of casein. Whey [00:04:00] protein is the opposite. Whey protein is really hydrophillic. It’s very polar. So, they like to float around in solution and stay floating around in solution. And they don’t like casein. It likes to stay separate from casein. And so, when you make cheese, it readily is released into the whey stream because it likes to stick with the water. In the same way, those kind of stick together with these sulfur groups. But when you heat it up, they unfold. And when they unfold, now there’s certain reactions that can take place. So, those are the two major differences between casein and whey. Lloyd, what did I miss? Lloyd Metzger: I would try to simplify it a little bit. The difference between casein and whey protein is casein is what’s trapped when we make cheese. And whey protein is the soluble protein that’s left over in the water phase of cheese. Cheese making is a dehydration process. We concentrate the fat and protein that’s in milk, the casein version of protein in milk. But you gotta look at the properties of those two [00:05:00] systems and the groups of protein. So, the casein protein is actually really stable to heat, but it is not stable to pH. So, casein will always coagulate at low pH. So, you lower the pH of milk, you get a yogurt-like product. That’s all the casein that’s coming out of the system. Whey proteins don’t mind a low pH, and they’ll stay soluble at a wide range of pH. But now, when you get to temperature, the complete opposite happens. Casein can handle super high temperatures and be very stable. Whey proteins can not handle high temperature at all, they start to gel. I think it’s important to look at the two different groups. Now you get into the functional differences between those two and the very different properties you have between those. Lloyd Metzger: That’s why you get all these products that are very different from each other. Why cheese is so much different than whey protein. And then you have these dairy products that are a combination that have the two together. So like when we make yogurt, we end up with the two products together and get this property that’s partway in between the two proteins. Ted Jacoby III: [00:06:00] Based on what you’re describing, when we’re talking about milk proteins, MPC 80, for example, there’s a higher level of calcium, I take it in milk proteins than compared to whey proteins. Is that true? Lloyd Metzger: Absolutely, but let’s remind everybody: milk protein is both casein and whey protein together at the normal ratio that’s in milk. So, of the protein, 80% is casein, 20% is whey protein. So, when you say milk protein, you’re actually meaning 80% casein and 20% whey protein. Now, when we talk about cheese or casein, we’re basically a hundred percent casein and 0% whey protein. Now, when we talk about whey protein, we’re essentially a 100% whey protein, no casein except for one fragment of casein that actually gets solubilized, as TJ described, and now actually becomes part of whey protein. Something that a lot of people don’t understand is that about 15% of what we call whey protein is actually a piece of casein that gets lost in the whey and now gets [00:07:00] captured and harvested in the whey protein manufacture process. But again, it’s important to remember milk protein is a 80 / 20 combination of casein and whey protein together. So, when you’re talking about milk protein, you’re actually talking about whey protein and casein together. Ted Jacoby III: It’s funny, I just learned something never really quite had my head around, and that’s that 80 / 20 ratio, that 80% of all the protein in milk is actually either alpha or beta casein. Correct? Lloyd Metzger: There’s actually four different casein fractions that are involved that make up that 80% of the total protein. Ted Jacoby III: Okay. The casein molecule isn’t really any bigger than most of the whey protein molecules, but they tend to clump together in those micelles. And so, they act as one big humongous mass compared to whey proteins. Correct? TJ Jacoby: Whey proteins may be collected like in pairs like two at a time, but casein proteins, there’s hundreds, right? Lloyd, that will just clump together. Thousands. TJ Jacoby: So, these spheres are absolutely massive protein complexes, but in fact there are a lot of little individual [00:08:00] proteins that make it up and they’re all bridged together with calcium and phosphate. Lloyd Metzger: It’s a packaging system that was designed to package up calcium and phosphorus. So, the whole casein system was designed by nature as a delivery vehicle fo

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  2. 12/11/2025

    One Bull in a Barn Full of Bears

    There’s milk everywhere: more milk in the U.S., Europe and New Zealand than a year ago, soft Class IV, and Class III futures that could slip into the $13s once you plug in today’s spot cheese and whey. With a long milk wave crashing over the dairy industry, will farmers start culling cows and leaving stalls empty? Inside the episode, the team churns through: Why strong balance sheets, paid-down debt and high cow values could delay a production pullback How lower feed costs shift the breakeven – but can’t fully offset falling milk checks Why Western and cheese-focused regions like the Pacific Northwest, California and Idaho may struggle first How WPC 80, WPI and clear whey proteins have become the lone bulls – and why capacity constraints limit the industry’s response Why there are limits to what customers can pay for whey, and where substitution is already happening It’s a barn full of bears on butter, cheese and fluid milk, but the protein complex is still flexing. The question is how long that can last? Tune in to The Milk Check episode 88: One bull in a barn full of bears to hear how our traders are navigating a market that’s bearish on volume but still bullish on protein. Got questions? We’d love to hear them. Submit below, and we might answer it on the show. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome, everybody, to The Milk Check. It is December 5th. We’re gonna talk about markets today. And rather than boring you and having the same conversation we had three weeks ago, everything is still bearish. There’s milk everywhere. There’s milk all over the U.S. There’s milk all over Europe. There’s milk all over New Zealand. There’s a whole bunch more milk this year than last year. Things are long. It’s very likely things are gonna get longer before they get shorter. Today we have some of our usual suspects. My brother Gus has joined us today. We’ve got Josh White, we’ve got Joe Maixner, we’ve got Diego Carvallo. And, of course, myself. Looking forward to a great conversation. So, rather than discussing how bearish we can be on these markets, my question, and I’m gonna start by throwing this question at my brother, Gus, is Gus, how long do you think it’s gonna take for dairy farmers to start culling cows and for this milk [00:01:00] production to slow down? Gus Jacoby: I feel like milk price and farm economics are completely contingent on that and how bad those farm economics get with respect to the milk price. Class III is still relatively high. Obviously, Class IV is pretty poor right now. The way I see it, dairymen, at this moment in time, still have fairly strong balance sheets. So, the recent low prices haven’t affected ’em all that much. So, I don’t expect their behavior with respect to culling and whatnot to change. But I think in five, six months from now, assuming that the milk price is at or lower, and quite frankly, I think Class III probably does need to get a bit lower, you’ll start to see some of that behavior change. If I had to guess, either as early as early summer, but as late as maybe mid-fall, if farm economics don’t change, we’ll start to see dairymen begin to leave stalls open. I mean, they’re gonna cull a cow, collect that beef revenue that they can grab, and not necessarily buy the expensive heifer. Ted Jacoby III: You’re thinking it’s gonna take about six months for dairy farmers [00:02:00] to get to the point where they feel like they need to increase the amount of cows they’re selling in order to meet their cashflow needs? Gus Jacoby: That’s my best guess. And again, that can be either expedited or slowed down depending on where the milk price goes. Ted Jacoby III: Corn prices have really come down this year. Do you think the lower feed prices have lowered where that break even point is, or how low we need to go in milk price in order to really send those signals in a strong way? Gus Jacoby: Certainly, feed prices being lower are gonna be helpful to the farm economic model. This becomes a milk price discussion. If the cheese price continues to have that downward pressure and gets low enough, those feed prices won’t be low enough. It’s always related to their inputs. And certainly, cheap feed helps their cause to extend growth in the milk production model. Ted Jacoby III: Right now, on December 5th, the Class III prices for the first quarter are right around, let’s call it $15.50, but if you use today’s cheese price on the spot market at the CME in today’s whey price, you’re probably looking at something closer to $14, 14 and a quarter. [00:03:00] Is that low enough or do we need to go lower? Gus Jacoby: It’s low enough. But not low to expedite anything. Maybe that takes us into the late summer, and remember, it depends on where we’re talking here in the country. Milk production costs are different depending on where you exist in the country. And also payouts are a lot different in a lot of places, depending on where you exist in the country. So, some regions might struggle sooner than later. Ted Jacoby III: Which regions do you think are gonna struggle first? Gus Jacoby: The West, Pacific Northwest, I think California, areas like Idaho that are strongly cheese based. If you’re paying on a Class III price and it stabilizes, which I don’t anticipate here, then perhaps some of those regions might hold on longer. My guess is predicated on the forecast of Class III going a bit lower. Ted Jacoby III: I guess I’d have to agree with that ’cause I don’t think $14 a hundredweight is enough. Because we’re still in front of Christmas, and I think the market’s probably gonna get worse before it gets better. My hunch is we’re gonna see $13 milk this year. We’re gonna see it in Class IV, and we may be already [00:04:00] seeing it in Class IV as soon as December. I think we’re gonna see a 13 handle in Class III, probably most of the first quarter. Gus Jacoby: If you’ve got a Class III at 13, and Class IV holds as low as it is, which I would expect certainly in the first half of the year, and then you have your standard freight and other deducts in those milk checks, dairymen are now getting to an area that is very adverse. Ted Jacoby III: Even though we’re talking about really low prices, I think there’s a lot of dairy farmers out there that are in a pretty healthy place. Gus Jacoby: I would agree. Ted Jacoby III: They’re healthy in two ways. One, I think that many of them have been able to take the last two years and really pay down their debt. And so, they’re in a really good spot financially, just on the balance sheet alone. But the second thing is those cows, they’re worth twice what they were worth three years ago. And so, not only have they paid down their debt, but if they need to borrow more, they’ve got more collateral to borrow against because those cows are usually the collateral for the banks when the banks lend dairy farmers money. It’s [00:05:00] usually the cows and the land. My hunch is that this may go on longer than we expect because of how healthy dairy farmers are financially today. Not saying they’ll be healthy in four or five months, but they’re healthy today. And because of how much bankers are probably willing to lend them based on those balance sheets. Gus Jacoby: I agree that the balance sheets are strong at the moment, even after a couple tough months. But I would also add, that that can change fairly quickly if the milk price gets low enough. And it’s certainly a ratio of farm economics over a certain period of time and milk price. If it gets low enough and makes those farm economics adverse enough, it can expedite the issue, which is a plausible scenario right now. Ted Jacoby III: Mm-hmm. I would agree with that. I think the hardest thing, especially when you have a falling market like we do right now, is to try and figure out exactly where the bottom is. About a month ago, the bottom was about a $1.40. Well, guess what? Cheese price is already below a $1.40 Now, we’re hearing it’s gonna be [00:06:00] somewhere in the $1.20s. What I’m scared is we’re gonna get to the $1.20s, and somebody’s gonna start talking about maybe we need to go into the teens. I don’t know if we’re gonna go that low, but we’re definitely in that scenario right now, where you have a market that’s falling and nobody has a really good feel for where that bottom is. Gus Jacoby: I agree. Cheese and butter right now, their outlook over the next six to eight months does not look good. Ted Jacoby III: Yeah. You mentioned butter. Joe, I’ll ask you: we’re below a $1.50 in butter. Butter feels like maybe it’s caught a temporary floor. Is this a temporary floor or could we stabilize here for the next six months? Joe Maixner: I think we’ve hit a temporary floor, but I don’t think it’s the lowest we’ll see over the next 90 days. I think that cream seems to be in balance, even after Thanksgiving, and I think it’s kept a nice spot in the market where people are willing to buy, those that hadn’t already put contracts on for next year are seeing the 2026 numbers and they’re looking at that against their budgets and blocking volume up for next year. A [00:07:00] lot of first half volume’s already been booked. We’re just seeing more activity. We’ve hit that level of support. Ted Jacoby III: Joe, you mentioned cream. Gus, I’m gonna go back to you. We had some really ugly cream multiples the first half of last year. Have we increased churn capacity, and do we expect those multiples to be just as bad this year or have we increased churn capacity enough so that maybe they won’t quite get so bad? Gus Jacoby: We have increased churn capacity, certainly. I don’t know if it’s enough. Some dairymen around the country are feeding their rations a bit different and getting a little bit

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  3. 11/18/2025

    When Will Dairy Prices Turn Around: GLP-1 and Oversupply

    Milk production is up 4.2% year over year, components are climbing and prices are falling. As holiday orders wrap up and we head into the long winter, The Milk Check team digs into whether dairy markets have already found a floor, or if there’s still another leg down to go. With milk products everywhere (except for whey), the Jacoby team shares where the market is and where we’re going. They churn through: Butter at $1.50 and what heavy cream and higher components mean after the holidays Why cheese feels like a calm before the storm, and how far Class III could grind lower Nonfat and skim: long milk, growing inventories and buyers shopping the cheapest origin Why whey proteins are the outlier, with tight supply, strong demand and GLP-1 tailwinds Global milk growth, clustered demand (Ramadan, Chinese New Year, Super Bowl) and who blinks first between the U.S. and Europe In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III is joined by Joe Maixner, Jacob Menge, Diego Carvallo, Josh White and Mike Brown for a rapid-fire market session on butter, cheese, nonfat and proteins. Listen now for The Milk Check’s latest market read on butter, cheese, nonfat and whey. Got questions? We’d love to hear them. Submit below, and we might answer it on the show. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome back, everybody, to The Milk Check podcast. Today we’re gonna have a market discussion. It is November 10th. We are in the last couple of weeks of the quote-unquote busy season, starting to get a feel for what we think is gonna happen to dairy markets as holiday orders are filled, and we transition into the long-term period of the year. In the last few weeks, we’ve actually seen prices drop, but it feels like butter’s kind of dropped down to about a $1.50/lb and seems to find at least a brief floor. We’ll talk to Joe and find out if Joe thinks we’re gonna stick around here for a while. The cheese market was up in the $1.80s/lb. It’s dropped to a little below $1.70, starting to hit a little bit of resistance. Jake will share with us a little bit about what we think is happening with cheese going forward. Nonfat dropped a little bit down to [00:01:00], about what Diego, about a $1.10/lb and had a little bounce off its floor. Meanwhile, the whey complex just continues to go up. We’ll check in with Josh and find out what’s going on there. Well, let’s go ahead and start with milk production. We just got released today, the September milk production, and it says it’s up 4.2%, which is a very, very big number. It’s November; milk is longer than it usually is this time of year. Usually, it’s quite tight, and it’s not quite tight, but I wouldn’t call it long. However, all the signs are there that once we get past the fall holiday order season, milk could get quite long. If September milk is up 4.2%, I think it’s safe to say that if that continues, we will be quite long milk as we transition from the typical seasonal tightness of the fall into the winter and the flush of the spring. 4.2% is a big number, and that’s not even taking into account the fact that the solids in the milk are up as well. That’s not the kind of tone that a dairy farmer wants us to set as we’re talking about what supply and demand looks like, but there’s a lot of milk out there, [00:02:00] Joe, does that mean there’s a lot of butter out there, too? Joe Maixner: Well, there’s still a lot of butter out there; sounds like there’s going to be a lot more butter coming soon. If milk’s up 4%, cream was heavy all of last winter and into last Spring, extremely heavy. If we have higher components, more milk, and we’ve got a full amount of milk coming outta California as well after coming off of bird flu last year, there’s just gonna be that much more cream in the system and more getting pushed back into the churns. So, it’s a very good possibility that we’re gonna go even lower than where we currently are. Volume seems to be trading well. The cream demand has been fairly steady, going into cultured products and the shorter shelf-life products. Cream’s still long, but it’s not swimming yet. Ted Jacoby III: Will we hold this $1.50 area through Thanksgiving, you think? Joe Maixner: Yeah, it seems like we’ve hit a spot where buyers are willing to step in. So, there’s a good chance that we could hang around this $1.50 area for the next couple of weeks. Once the last little spurt of holiday demand is over, we’re gonna take another leg lower. Ted Jacoby III: Okay. Jake, what about [00:03:00] cheese? Jacob Menge: I think we had a little reprieve from some cheese bearishness with the holiday demand. It’s tough, though, especially with this wall of milk that’s headed our way. Does it seem like the bottom’s ready to drop out? Probably not yet. But it still seems like it’s a possibility. It almost seems like the call before the storm. Ted Jacoby III: What you’re saying is: we’ve already dropped quite a bit, but we’re in typical low points, but it’s possible, considering the amount of supply coming our way, that there’s still another cliff to negotiate, and we could go a lot lower when it comes to Class III milk and cheese prices. Jacob Menge: If you zoom out a ways, going back to mid-2022, we’ve really not liked to go below that $1.55 level on futures. We’re kind of at another support level at this $1.65. Those seem like our two support areas, historically, for the last 3, 4 years. So, it’s probably gonna be one of those grinds lower if we move lower from here, versus that $1.85 to $1.65 was almost an air pocket drop. [00:04:00] It seems like the market’s gonna have to earn it if it moves lower from here, but it does seem like a possibility. Ted Jacoby III: When we get down to these levels, this usually tends to form the floor, and if we have so much cheese out there and so much milk out there that we’re gonna go lower from here, it’s probably not an air pocket drop; it’s probably a grind lower from here. Jacob Menge: Yeah, I think our lows, on the futures, for the past 4 years have been that $1.55. Don’t quote me on that, gimme a couple of cents on either side of that. But that means we got a dime from here to hit those five-year lows, you know, besides COVID. There’s a lot to be said for technical trading at those levels. So, it would take a big fundamental kind of wave supply to get us to crack that. Ted Jacoby III: Got it. Thank you. Diego. What about nonfat? What’s the international market doing? We know we have a lot of milk in North America. We have a lot of milk everywhere. And what does it mean? Diego Carvallo: Customers are also seeing the data, and it seems like they’re in no rush to buy nonfat. Right. Nonfat seems to be the product that is 00:05:00 consistently available. We haven’t seen a very tight market in several years. So, it seems customers are more concerned about other products like WPCs or maybe cheese, other products besides nonfat. So, they’re staying very hand-to-mouth. They’re being very flexible when it comes to origin and just buying spot and from the origin that offers them the cheapest skim milk powder delivered price, which, in most cases, for the past few months, has been either European or New Zealand product because of the shipment time, transit time, and tariffs. Ted Jacoby III: Has the inventory in the U.S. been building as a result? Diego Carvallo: Yes, it has, Ted. Yep. Inventory has been building. I was looking into the milk production numbers for September. California was relatively stable compared to the previous year. I think we grew by 2.5% versus the previous year. But the strong impact from avian [00:06:00] influenza was actually in October. So, that’s when we might see a big jump between California production for 2024 and California production for 2025. So, I thought the Milk Report was pretty bearish for nonfat. Next month could be as bearish or even more. I still believe that we’re gonna see a lot of product going into the dryers, and that’s gonna add pressure, and that’s gonna increase inventories for U.S. products. Ted Jacoby III: What does milk production look like in Europe? Diego Carvallo: They’re actually up quite a bit. I think their September number was also stronger than expected. I can’t recall the exact number, but it was stronger than expected, even though they have cut down on the farmer price, the FrieslandCampina, which is the number one benchmark. It still seems like, with corn moving lower, there’s still a number that incentivizes more milk production. For the next few months until we see a stronger cotton price, we’re gonna see plenty of milk from the U.S. and from Europe. Ted Jacoby III: [00:07:00] Okay, thanks. Appreciate it, Diego. Josh, so what about the protein market? Josh White: Yeah, same story. I don’t know why everybody else is having so many problems with their products because whey proteins are in demand and it continues to be very strong. WPC 80, WPI demand is outpacing supply. People are trying to book forward and can’t. By all reports, the demand on the consumer level remains pretty good. It’s a bit of an outlier. It’s definitely a mystery. A lot of the discussion centers around GLP-1 adoption in the U.S. Compared to a year ago, I think I read this morning, something like 12% of Americans are allegedly using GLP-1-related drugs for weight loss. Assuming that’s an accurate statistic, that’s a noteworthy number of people. There was a lot of discussion last year that as people come on things like Wegovy and Ozempic, at what moment do we mature to the point that people beginning their cycles of taking the drugs equal those coming off of those drugs? There’s just been a lot of headlines about more affordable access to these types of products. If that continues, that shifts this curve even a little bit further up

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  4. 10/17/2025

    Bears in Butter. Bulls in Protein.

    Butter’s slipping, cheese feels heavy, but the protein complex is flexing hard. In this Milk Check market roundtable, Ted Jacoby III brings together Diego Carvallo, Jacob Menge, Joe Maixner and Josh White to unpack what’s driving the mixed messages in the markets. Listen to hear: Why butter could fall below $1.50 before year-end How global health trends are powering whey protein demand Why cheese exports are getting harder to move Whether dairy’s bearish mood could trigger a short squeeze It’s a classic Milk Check market roundtable. Listen now to The Milk Check episode 86: Bears in Butter, Bulls in Protein. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We’ve got answers. Submit your questions below and we’d be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Hey everybody, welcome to The Milk Check. We’re gonna have an old-fashioned market discussion today. We’ve got a lot going on in dairy markets right now. It’s the middle of October. Markets are moving, but not in the direction that they usually move in October. It seems like everything wants to go down right now, and we’ll start with the product that seems to be most bearish today, the one we’ve been talking about a lot lately. Joe, what is going on with butter? Joe Maixner: Butter is interesting today because we’re actually up. Long-term Sentiment really hasn’t changed. There’s not really a whole lot new to talk about on the butter. Markets aren’t linear, so we’re gonna have these choppy trades here and there where some buying comes in and things get pushed. But there’s plenty of butter still out there. There’s plenty of butter being offered out there. Right now, there’s a good amount of demand, but we’re anticipating that that’s fairly short-lived. We’ve got [00:01:00] holiday demand for another couple of weeks here, and then that should probably tail off. We’ll see what happens after that. Ted Jacoby III: So we’re a $1.60 and a $1.65 today. It’s Friday, October 10th. Felt like a little bit of a dead cat bounce after really dropping pretty hard earlier in the week. Is that what it is? Is it a dead cat bounce? Joe Maixner: I wouldn’t call a quarter of a cent on spot a dead cat bounce. The moves on the futures are 3¢ to 5¢ moves with a 10¢ plus move intraday. There’s no shortage of volatility. Ted Jacoby III: What do you think will be happening in the next month? You think maybe we’ll bounce off this, go up a little bit for the next couple of weeks? Then all the orders that need to get filled for the holidays get filled? And then what? Joe Maixner: I think we take another leg lower. I think we’ll be sub $1.50 before the end of the year. Ted Jacoby III: I agree. We’re at prices so low that a year ago it would’ve been really hard to imagine we’d ever get here. And the idea that we could even go lower from here just seems unbelievable, but that’s the market we’re in right now. Joe Maixner: Less than 24 months ago, we were all talking about $4 butter [00:02:00] coming, and there was not enough fat to keep up with demand. And now we’re potentially going to the $1.40s. There’s so much fat that we can’t consume it all. But we also have to remember that this is all cyclical, and at some point, these low prices are gonna cure the low prices. Ted Jacoby III: Meanwhile, let’s talk a little bit about protein. The more bearish we get on butter, the more bullish the protein markets seem to get. What’s going on in the protein markets right now? Josh White: I think we gotta define which we’re talking about with protein because if it’s protein with over 34% protein, it’s pretty hard to find, particularly with the whey proteins. If it’s 34% or under, most unstandardized non-fat dry milk is quite a bit above 34%, so maybe let’s say 40%, it seems like we can’t find a bottom. So, really, two very different markets at the moment. So, if we start on the high end of the market, we’ve experienced over the past two years now a continued move higher and the appreciation per unit [00:03:00] protein for whey protein products, in particular WPC 80 and WPI. We want to credit certain things as catalysts, like GLP-1 adoption in the U.S., but I think we gotta be even bigger than that.  Health and wellness are worldwide. We’re seeing strong growth in demand. People are paying attention to what they eat. Clearly, they’re concluding that whey proteins supplemented in many, many products is a good way of increasing your protein intake. That doesn’t seem to be changing, and although we’re talking about very, very high prices in the U.S., Europe also has very, very high prices. Josh White: And as of late, it’s leaving additional markets, other markets, the import markets for these products, wanting more. We’ll see an additional load or two of product available in the U.S., and it’s sold to a U.S. customer before the international customer even gets a look at the price. I don’t see that changing. And the reason I can confidently say that is because we’ve got customers who are looking for purchases further out than they traditionally would. Normally, that’s a quarterly [00:04:00] traded product. About a month from now, in November, that’s typically when we’d be talking about Q1 prices, and as of today, we’ve got customers that are asking for any product available and willing to commit to the second quarter of 2026. In addition to that, there are things that have disrupted the supply chain. In 2025, we had several new facilities coming online, and not all of them have come online as expected, so we’re anticipating some additional supply of WPC 80 and WPI. Some of it is materialized, and some of it has not yet. But this isn’t a supply-shortage-driven issue. This is truly a demand, new demand creation, and we’re seeing that in a lot of different areas. We’re seeing incremental growth in the normal segments like sports, nutrition, shakes, things like that. We’re seeing inquiries on a weekly basis from consumer packaged goods products, looking to infuse protein into some of their traditional snack foods and products like that. Even this week, the headlines coming out like [00:05:00] Starbucks introducing new protein coffees. These are all new drivers. This is all happening at the same time that we’re seeing increasing demand for acidified whey proteins going into beverages. There’s just more demand right now than we have supply. It’s gonna take the market a while to cure that issue. We have a lot of cheese production in the U.S., so it’s not an issue that we don’t have the whey solids available, but do we have enough processing of these high whey protein products? Not yet. Also, when you’re in a very, very tight market, just like Joe mentioned, “low prices will cure low prices,” at some moment, lack of supply, high prices will cure high prices. I’m not sure how that’s gonna shake out as we go into 2026, but right now it feels like, at least for the first half of the year, we’re gonna remain very, very tight whey proteins. Now let’s shift down the complex a little bit. Anybody who can’t afford to pay for WPI with these new applications is looking to trade down. WPC 80 is, as mentioned, very, very firm [00:06:00] and in very, very tight supply. Those that might have traditionally used WPC 80, maybe not instantized WPC 80, but regular WPC 80, are finding that they can’t compete with the new demand creation in that category, and they’re trading down. That’s already impacting alternative proteins. We’re seeing more inquiries for vegetable protein and other products in high concentration. The other half of that story right now is we are big producer in this country, traditionally of WPC 34 and then shifting out of the way complex into the milk protein complex, we are increasing our production of MPC 70s, MPC 85, MPI, but we still make a lot of non-fat dry milk, and that is a totally different story. Diego Carvallo: When it comes to the non-fat complex, I think it follows the same story as most of the other products. There’s a lot of milk in the U.S. and in other milk sheds, and a lot of that product is ending up in non-fat or skim. We’re expecting that the price during the [00:07:00] first quarter of next year is gonna be heavily under pressure because the U.S. is probably gonna have 10% or 15% more nonfat production than it had in 2024 just because of what happened in California, right? It’s almost inevitable unless we go into a steep discount to European and New Zealand products that we start building inventory. Because Mexico itself cannot sustain the U.S. from building inventories if we have such growth. A lot of discussion around how much milk are the cheese plants gonna take out of that strong growth that we’re seeing? And as a summary, the conclusion where we have arrived is that even with the cheese plants growing and taking 3% to 4% more milk this year, we’re still gonna have double digit growth in milk availability and milk going into the dryers. Yeah, definitely the picture is not bullish. Prices could go and test the $1, maybe $1.05 during the flush [00:08:00] or maybe before the flush. And yeah, hopefully after that we see a demand reaction, demand creation, and some multi-nets, just building length, some traders building length and inventory starting to stabilize or move lower. When it comes to the MPCs, what Josh has mentioned is something that we are already seeing. I was at a trade show in Mexico this week, Food Tech, and I had a very interesting interaction with a customer where they told me that they were in desperate need for WPC 80 and because nobody was able to offer a spot load, because most of the loads are staying domestic. Because it’s easier obviously, to sell to a domestic customer than an international

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  5. 10/09/2025

    Swimming in Butter: Global Insights from Cefetra Group

    Does perfect weather mean bad news for dairy? In this episode of The Milk Check, Ted Jacoby III and the Jacoby team welcome guests from Cefetra Dairy, Henk-Jan Bouwman, Head of Account Management; Martijn Goedhart, Managing Director; and Veljko Perovic, Commodity Market Analyst and Derivatives Trader. Together, we unpack why the world is swimming in butter and what it means for producers, traders and processors heading into 2026. You’ll hear: Why too much 80% salted has the U.S. sloshing in inventory How Europe went from record highs to €2,000-per-ton losses When demand might finally catch up with supply Click play below and listen now to The Milk Check episode 84: Swimming in Butter – Global Insights from Cefetra Group. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We’ve got answers. Submit your questions below and we’d be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome everybody to The Milk Check, a T.C. Jacoby & Co. podcast. We have a really exciting episode today. We are going to be discussing the U.S. and European butter markets and how that’s going to affect global butter supply, global butter demand, and obviously price. We are joined today by our good friends from Cefetra Dairy. We’ve got Martijn, Henk-Jan, and Veljko from Cefetra Dairy. Really looking forward to this discussion. Joe, we’re gonna start with you. What’s going on with the U.S. butter market? We’ve just dropped in the last two months, what, 60, 70¢? I feel like the bottom just dropped out. What’s been driving this, and how’s this gonna play out going forward? Joe Maixner: Well, long story short, there’s too much 80% salted sitting in inventories, both in trader’s hands and in manufacturer’s hands. There was a lot of product built earlier in the year when there was a great carry in the market [00:01:00] and when cream was plentiful. All of that product is coming back to the market because cream is still plentiful and manufacturers aren’t needing it for micro fixing. Demand has been good, but not great. Ted Jacoby III: Is it safe to say that even if we’re having good butter demand in the U.S. right now, it doesn’t compare to the increase in supply we’re dealing with? Joe Maixner: Absolutely. We’re so much higher year over year on fat component and milk production that we just physically can’t consume as much butter as we’re producing. Ted Jacoby III: Mike Brown, my question for you is this, we’ve come down from $3.50 two years ago, $2.50 earlier this year, now we’re at a $1.75. We’ve talked a lot about on this program how the genetics have dairy cows producing a lot more butterfat than they have in years past, and that’s a trend that has really changed the supply side dynamic for butterfat in the U.S. At a $1.75, does that trend change? Mike Brown: The genetic trend of course won’t change ’cause it’s permanent . People have been making decisions to improve fat content of milk for a long, long time. It’s been [00:02:00] emphasized because of the high value of fat. And so it’s already built into not only the current dairy herd, but the animals that will be replacements over the next two or three years. On the feeding side, that’s another story, but most folks I talk to say a $1.50, $1.70 fat probably isn’t gonna make a lot of change in feeding and management on a dairy farm. You may see some of those higher expensive fat additives that are used to increase fat used a little less heavily, but the trend overall will be there. Will the rate of gain continue to be as high? I think is a good question, but I don’t think the trend toward gaining fat’s gonna change certainly in the next two, three years. Ted Jacoby III: So, this is a question for both Mike and Gus. One of the rumors I’ve heard is that there have been some raw milk buyers out there who have been talking about putting caps on butter, fat percentage in milk, or at least what they’ll pay for. If that does happen, is that going to affect the increases in butterfat percentages in the milk? Gus Jacoby: I haven’t seen anything but your cheese make yield formula pay prices have some sort of discount for fat [00:03:00] at those higher levels. That’s the only thing that I’ve really noticed in the industry that’s in some way penalizing that increased fat in milk production. Other than that, I’m not aware of anybody who’s discounting fat in any other ways. Mike Brown: What I’ve seen is consistent with what Gus has seen so far, but there’s lots of things going on in the background. Federal Order fat is priced off the Grade A butter market, and that price is what it is. Most cheese plants can’t begin to recover that value of fat, particularly if they’re in the spot market with any extra cream or certainly with whey cream. So, they’ve been losing money. I particularly have seen out West, where the added value for the extra fat has been decreased. There’s plants looking at: should we be pricing it off what our whey cream is worth rather than the butter market? ’cause that’s more what the value really is. The other thing you’re seeing, I think, is even within formulas, should we be deflecting from fat a bit and putting more weight on protein because that’s what we really need to make the cheese. Not necessarily lower the price, but try to send some signal to producers to focus more on protein. ’cause the focus has certainly been [00:04:00] on fat with the high-fat markets. Most of your cheese plants cannot recover that value, particularly when you get fat that’s more than 130%, 140% the price of cheese. When butter gets that high, it’s a real money loser . Ted Jacoby III: Joe, one last question you before we bring our friends from Cefetra into the conversation.  Milk production is up, percentage of butterfat in the milk is up. Looks like we’re gonna have even more butterfat next year than the excessive amount we had this year. What do you anticipate from this butter market over the next 3, 6, 9 months? Are we at the bottom now? Can we go lower? Joe Maixner: We probably need to go lower before we stabilize and rebound. I personally don’t think that we see a two in front of the butter price before second half of twenty six. Ted Jacoby III: that’s an answer I can live with. I think dairy farmers can live with it probably at this point, too. They’d love to see a 2 in front of the butter market. Having said that, it’s safe to say we’re swimming in butter right now. We’re swimming in butterfat on this side of the pond. Let’s switch to the other side of the pond. We’re seeing record-high butter prices as recently as nine months ago. [00:05:00] What’s happened since what’s going on right now in Europe when it comes to butter? Martijn Goedhart: I think what’s happened here is that we were underwhelmed by the output of milk in general in the first half of the year, driven by the aftermath of some diseases. That pushed prices up to record high levels, especially on the fat side. At some point in time, we saw the spread between EU and U.S. butter widening. That also made us buy some U.S. butter for import into Europe. And that coincided with production going up, driven by good margins and cheese hampering a bit. That basically gave us our perfect storm. In the last three months, we lost about €2,000 of value per ton on the butter, which is huge. And this is still lingering on because just like in the U.S., we almost call it like a second peak in terms of output because some cows started calving later due to the blue tongue aftermath. So, we definitely have more milk than in a normal season. This caught us a bit by surprise. That also means that now the liquids are trading below the commodity equivalent, which is also unusual for the time [00:06:00] of year. I feel like we’re in a perfect supply storm at the moment because it doesn’t matter which region you look at, everything is looking absolutely perfect, and not even only from the milk side, but also from the bulk commodity side and vegetable commodities. That also doesn’t help the sentiment, makes buyers wait, makes suppliers look for buyers because they also don’t want to store it. Supply pressure is still here. We stabilized a bit. But that’s what happened, basically. Ted Jacoby III: So, if I’m hearing you correctly, in Europe right now, we’re getting perfect weather. Grain feed supplies are really good, therefore, we’re producing more milk. By the way, the same thing’s happening here in the U.S., and I’m pretty sure New Zealand’s in a pretty similar boat. They’re starting up their season and it’s going pretty smoothly so far.  We’re gonna have a lot of milk this year. A lot of milk solids, a lot of butterfat. That also means we’re gonna have a lot of grain, so we’re gonna be able to feed all the cows, all they need to be fed. Ted Jacoby III: It just feels like we’re just going into that classic situation we go in every five or six years where we’re just gonna have a lot of everything for the foreseeable future. Josh White: Can I ask a question though, on the European [00:07:00] side? It seems pretty clear that supply has outperformed expectations in terms of butterfat. Like I think every one of us agree with that statement. Different reasons out of the U.S. than out of Europe. It seems, the U.S. is structurally, genetically producing more. Europe got tight, did not expect ample supply growth in 2025 and is now being surprised with outperforming milk production expectations. From that standpoint, this is a excess supply driven issue. How much of the radical price change in Europe is also a slowdown in consumer demand because of how high the price got or is that really not an issue? Henk-Jan Bouwman : The demand is, I would say, not sufficient enough to absorb a

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  6. 10/02/2025

    Shining Star or Shooting Star: WPC 80 and WPI

    Butter is down. Powder is heavy. Cheese is struggling. But whey proteins? They’re the shining star. In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III sits down with Josh White, Gus Jacoby, Diego Carvallo, and Jacob Menge to break down what’s really moving the dairy market this fall. We cover: Why WPC 80 and whey protein isolate remain in tight supply How weak butter, powder, and cheese are reshaping herd economics What today’s demand means for dairy markets heading into 2026 They’re the shining star now, but can whey proteins hold at $10/lb without burning out? Listen now to hear Jacoby’s take on what’s in the stars for dairy this year and beyond. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We’ve got answers. Submit your questions below and we’d be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome, everybody, to the September edition of the Jacoby Market discussion on our Milk Check podcast. Today, we’ve got Josh White, head of our dairy ingredients group. We’ve got my brother Gus to talk about what’s going on with milk, cream, and UF milk. We have Diego Carvallo on our international business and nonfat business teams. And then we got Jacob Menge with risk management and trading strategy. So, Gus, let’s go ahead and start with you. It’s September. This is usually the time of year when everybody is shipping a lot of milk into the Southeast. How do things look in milk, and what’s going on in cheese and UF right now? Gus Jacoby: Certainly, Ted, milk has gotten tight as it typically does this time of year. I wouldn’t say, though, relatively speaking, for mid-September that we’re all that tight. Obviously, milk production reports have been up recently; there’s more milk than we had last year. Yes, we’ve added processing capacity in [00:01:00] certain regions of the country, like the western portion of the upper Midwest, and, of course, the Southwest. However, in many areas, early fall tightness does exist. But it’s a bit longer than last year. Where we really need to look at, though, is the component area and some of the products, such as sweet cream. That’s certainly very long. We know about butterfat being much higher today than it was just a couple of years ago. And I would say the cream markets, which typically in early fall draw some pretty high multiples, those multiples are tempered to a fair amount. Cream can be had at a time when it is typically tough to find. So, there’s no doubt that what we’re seeing out in the marketplace, and I would say from coast to coast, is more cream than what we’re used to. And certainly, more of a buyer’s market in the fall than it ever has been, at least in the history of the industry that I’ve seen.  Now, on the flip side, the protein markets are a bit interesting. I wanna let Josh speak on the powder side, but we are seeing that UF milk is having a strong comeback. People need protein, whether it be for fortification [00:02:00] needs and natural cheese, whether it be for health and wellness shakes, whether it be for what have you. That product is getting a lot of attention. And certainly, the one area that I’m seeing this fall that’s got some tightness to it. Ted Jacoby III: Josh, what are you seeing on the protein side in your neck of the woods? Is what Gus is seeing with UF milk translating all the way over into dried proteins? Josh White: The most interesting of the product categories right now and the one gaining the most attention is in the whey protein sector. We’re feeling pressure across a lot of the storable dairy products right now, but the one that remains very tight are the WPCs, in particular WPC 80 and whey protein isolate. The storyline hasn’t changed a whole lot from prior discussions. We went into the year, and there was some trade disruption that masked how tight the market was. We knew a lot of capacity was coming online this year to respond to the demand signals that we’ve been seeing unfold over the last several years. But where we stand today, in September, with a line sight to the end of the year, is [00:03:00] it doesn’t feel like our production out of the U.S. is meeting not only the U.S. demand, but the global demand. This is more of a global situation than just a U.S. situation. The key production regions for the higher whey proteins suitable for sports, nutrition, health, and wellness applications, and others come from Europe and the United States. And in both markets, prices are very high right now. Whey protein isolate had stabilized as we went into the third quarter, somewhere on either side, at $10 a pound for WPI instant. Today, there’s a lot more discussion anecdotally that we’re seeing prices closer to $10.25 or even $10.50 per pound in certain instances. Whether it’s the driver or it’s the entire market, that certainly had an effect on WPC 80 prices. WPC 80 is a product that we have seen more production come online. Whereas, with WPI, we’ve seen people really trying to drive yields, trying to [00:04:00] just push as much product through their whey protein isolate dryers as they can. Whereas, WPC 80, again, new production coming online, but that hasn’t gone smoothly in every case. As a result of that, the market is now really responding with prices above $5 a pound. If we go back in history, that’s a demand-killing price. The question is, is that still a demand-killing price? As the majority of market participants would argue that the per unit value of protein in whey protein products is continuing to appreciate, and the demand we’re seeing is that. The demand is not only strong demand in the sectors we’ve been selling to, but we’re also seeing a lot of inquiries for WPI and WPC 80 going into like consumer packaged good applications and a lot for trials, which suggests to me that people are really looking for new product development in that space to capture some of this demand movement that we’ve seen out there. And that’s [00:05:00] also gonna change a little bit the elasticity of the product. Some of these products that it’s going into, protein is a very important price element, but it’s not as high an inclusion rate as you might see in protein shakes or something along those lines. So, it’s a bit unclear to me how that unfolds. But right now, we’re staring into a market where the U.S. is driving prices higher. Europe is at a higher price, and the rest of the world is scrambling to catch up and get the protein that they want. What that means and how that drives decision-making for the dairy processor, in particular, the cheese plants, is yet to be seen, but it’s certainly impacting their interest in bringing milk in or making cheese in order to get to this whey protein. And so, I would kind of volley that back to you guys. How important is that from a cheese processor, as we look right now, in September, when milk is seasonally at its lower annual levels, and some of these plants can decide whether or not to remain full.  How [00:06:00] are the cheese plants handling this when they want the whey protein? But cheese feels like it’s a little heavy? Jacob Menge: Ted, you wanna take that hot potato? Ted Jacoby III: I look at it this way. When milk is plentiful, like it has been this year, they’ll grab the milk where they can, because worst-case scenario, you can dump the cheese onto the CME if you’re a big cheddar plant. And you can discount it at least to some extent as a mozzarella plant. I think it’s been harder for the mozzarella guys this year because historically, you’re making low-moisture part-skim mozzarella, you’re spinning off all this cream, you’re getting $3 plus a pound on the cream. That makes it a little bit easier to make sure you still extract the value from the milk when you’re selling off the cream. But now, the butter price is $1.85, $1.82 after today. And so, it’s a little bit of a different equation. There’s a limit to how much you can discount the mozzarella to make sure it clears. This year, however, I think there’s been an opportunity in that the export market has been strong enough, so they’ve been able to go ahead and move that [00:07:00] mozzarella into the export market, so they can keep clearing it and then continue to make money making WPC 80 or WPI. I think the bigger issue may be next year, 12 months from now, because if the cheese price and the butter price stay low, ’cause right now at 3.4% milk production increases and even more on the top of that in terms of components, I think there’s a very real concern that we’re gonna see some really low cheese and butter prices in Q1 and Q2 of next year. And given how valuable those dairy cows are if they sell them for beef, I think we could see some very high slaughter rates, which will lead to some pretty significant decreases in milk. You may, by this time next year, have some very real competition for milk in certain sectors of the country. In that environment, what’s a cheese plant gonna do if the cheese market is still relatively weak, but they can make money on the whey, they’re gonna have to pay a bigger premium for the milk, it’s the only way they’re gonna be able to get what they want. And so, I think you [00:08:00] could create a very real opportunity for those sellers of milk to really push for a higher premium and extract it because they can extract it out of the whey. Jacob Menge: You both have said something kind of interesting. Josh said it without saying it, and I guess I wanna poke you a little bit, Josh, on it. You kind of alluded to it, but for now, this demand seems almost limitless. Elasticities might be changing. And then, Ted has just hinted at: the situation kinda works today, but down the road it might not. And so, I’m curious, Josh, what do you see being the thing to take the wind out of th

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  7. 08/26/2025

    The $1,000 Calf: Why Beef Matters on the Dairy Farm

    Are you leaving calf money on the table? Not long ago, a Holstein bull calf might have earned you 50 bucks, if that. Today, thanks to high beef prices and better breeding tools, that same cow might deliver a $1,000 calf instead. Beef-on-dairy isn’t just a trend; it’s changing how progressive dairies manage their herds and drive revenue. In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III talks with CoBank’s Corey Geiger and Abbigail Prins about how dairy farmers are rethinking breeding strategies and how those decisions are reshaping herd structure, replacement numbers, and profitability. Why some farms are holding onto cows longer How sexed semen and genomics are guiding breeding calls And how beef calves are becoming a serious income stream Whether you’re breeding for replacements, premiums or profit, this episode unpacks how to make herd decisions that pay. Listen now to hear why the value of a cow’s uterus might be higher than ever. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We’ve got answers. Submit your questions below and we’d be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Intro (with music): Welcome to the Milk Check, a podcast from T.C. Jacoby & Co., where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome everybody to this month’s version of the Milk Check, a T.C. Jacoby & Co. podcast. Really excited today to have two special guests from CoBank, Corey Geiger and Abbi Prins. We are going to talk about breeding to beef and the profitability of the dairy farm, and how that dairy farm profitability has changed over the years as this trend has come about, and what it means for the future of dairy. Excited to have this conversation, Corey, Abbi, thank you so much for joining us today. So Corey, what do you do? Corey Geiger: CoBank is actually short for cooperative banks, so we’re the bank of cooperatives. We’re part of the Farm Credit System. Abbi and I are part of the knowledge exchange division, so we have a group of 10 economists who work in dairy and animal protein, consumer package goods, digital infrastructure, and farm inputs and crops. I’ve been at CoBank for two years now. I have just started my third year with CoBank, and Abbi joined our team about a year ago. She can tell you a little bit about herself. Abbigail Prins: Thanks, Corey. I also joined CoBank about a year and a half ago. I helped cover the dairy and animal protein sectors, come from a very heavy dairy and agriculture background, originally from Tulare, California, based out of Minnesota now. We’re excited to be on the podcast with you today, so thank you for the invitation. Ted Jacoby III: Abbi, Corey, thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. So our topic today is going to be about breeding to beef and the dairy farm profitability, and how the whole breeding to beef trend has been affecting dairy farm profitability. Give us a little background on this trend of how more and more dairy farmers are breeding dairy cows in order to get cows to enter the dairy herd. More and more dairy farmers are breeding to beef and how is that affecting the dairy breed right now? Corey Geiger: I have a broad background, having been in the editorial team of Hoard’s Dairyman for 28 years and a past president of Holstein USA, and this is a journey. It really involves a triple play. The first part of that triple play was gender sorted semen coming onto the scene. Then genomics came on the scene, and then it all kind of came together with the beef on dairy movement. Now, economics always enters the equation because if I were to come back and have a conversation with my late grandfathers and say, “We’re breeding some of our prize Holsteins to Angus,” they’d throw me out the window, thinking I fell on my head. But gender sorted semen came along. Fertility rates really improved in dairy cattle, and I think that’s another part of the story for fertility and conception rates, and we landed up with more dairy replacements. Those prices dropped tremendously in about 2015 and almost fell to under 1,200 a head. At that time, beef prices started climbing, and a new opportunity opened up. Abbigail Prins: We start to see beef prices rise, followed by the introduction of beef semen purchases by dairy producers. Of course, this was not actually confirmed by the National Association of Animal Breeders, which started tracking this until 2023; however, the trend began in 2015, 2016, and 2017. We start to see more of these beef semen purchases,, and we see them being implemented into the dairy industry. We then yield these beef on dairy cross animals. They just start their career on the beef track right away instead of the secondary career after being in the milk industry and having that extra revenue generator I think was a very important piece for dairy producers to take advantage of and try to figure out strategically on the dairy farm, where’s the money going to come from and how can we best utilize the dollars that are coming back from all of our animals, whether it be from milk sales or cattle sales. Ted Jacoby III: The surprise to me was that the beef price started going up because if you think of it on a real, simplified level, if you’ve got more beef cattle coming into the beef herd, then why wouldn’t that cause an oversupply of beef cattle and cause the prices of beef cattle to start going down, but the opposite has happened since. What’s the dynamic that’s causing that? Is that simply an increase in demand for beef, or is there something else going on in the beef side of the business right now? Abbigail Prins: This, I would say, starts back to 2019. We see the peak of the beef cow cycle, so that was the most recent time that we had the highest number of beef female cows; that number we’ve been liquidating ever since. And when you have a low supply and high demand, that means the price is going to go up, according to a straightforward economic equation. So, where these animals come into it is that if we see this decline in the beef cow herd, if there are fewer females available, that means that fewer calves are going to be born in the preceding years. And then we’ve seen this transition since the late 1990s, where beef quality has skyrocketed. We are seeing record amounts of prime and choice-grade beef, and as a result, we have extremely high consumer demand. We continue to see retail beef prices hitting records nearly month after month. They just keep going back to the meat case and buying more beef, which has caused cattle prices to really skyrocket and hit record levels nearly every week with regard to live and feeder cattle futures. And so that’s where we’re seeing this beef price really start to take off. Corey Geiger: Three bench posts to keep in mind total cattle inventory and that counts all beef cattle and all dairy cattle is at the lowest since 1951. The beef cow herd is the lowest since 1961, and feeder supplies the rest of us, which we would call those steers, are at the lowest levels since ’72. When you take those three data points and look at consumer demand and where we are today, limited supply, strong demand equals record prices. Ted Jacoby III: Did this really strong demand for beef start just before COVID, or has this increased beef demand been coming for a while yet? Abbigail Prins: I think it’s been a gradual shift in demand. I think the initial push started back in the 1990s to improve meat quality. Of course, that takes time, as we see gestation lengths in cattle are nine months, and then you still have to raise them until they can become part of the beef supply chain. I think that was the initial starting point where we see quality go up, and then just this gradual introduction back to consumers of we have this incredible quality of beef for you to be able to consume. I’d say it’s been a really big shift, probably over the past decade or so, and then moving into what it is today. Ted Jacoby III: When COVID hit, it was just kind of that perfect storm of everything is already tight, the demand for beef was already good, now everybody’s locked up at home, and all they want to do is cook steaks because they can’t go to the restaurant. They have a special meal, and the next thing you know, the beef herd drops a significant percent that just started the cycle, and when you’re talking about a herd, once it’s low, there’s no way to just snap your fingers and get that number back to where it needs to be, correct? Abbigail Prins: Sure. I definitely think that COVID kind of exacerbated the situation a little bit, and I definitely agree that COVID hits, you can’t go to the restaurant anymore, you’re going to buy a Pit Boss or a Traeger grill, and you’re going to start making all of those restaurant-quality dishes at home. I think because we’ve seen such a drastic change in price for food at home and food away from home, with regards to some of the CPI numbers that we’ve been seeing, that consumers would rather spend the money and “I can make a great steak at home. I don’t necessarily need to go out to a high-end steak house because I perfected it during COVID.” So I think that definitely brought it to an extreme very quickly. But yeah, I completely agree. Ted Jacoby III: Abbi, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. I can tell you, for the last five years, when I go to a steak place, I don’t order steak. I can cook a great steak at home. I’ll usually order the fish or something that I’m not anywhere near as good at making as I am at grilling a steak at home. It makes perfect sense to me. So now we’re in a situation where the beef cattle herd is the lowest it’s been in, what did you say, Corey, 50 years? Corey Geiger: 1951. Almost 75, right? Ted Jacoby III: Jeez. So even though we are not only add

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  8. 08/13/2025

    From Summer Heat to School Coolers: The August Milk Shuffle

    The school bells are ringing in some changes for milk. Are you ready? Tune in to The Milk Check as the Jacoby team churns through the latest supply and demand dynamics in the August milk market, including: Why the usual summer heat dip in milk production feels normal, despite 3.3% higher year-over-year numbers Why cheese prices are holding steady and how New Zealand’s production could impact exports Why protein products are powering ahead with strong domestic and international demand Why nonfat dry milk remains stuck in a flat market Whether you’re a farmer, processor, or trader, tune in to The Milk Check to learn where we are and where we’re headed as we head into the holiday season. Click below to listen to The Milk Check episode 81: From Summer Heat to School Coolers. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We’ve got answers. Submit your questions below and we’d be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome, everybody, to The Milk Check. We’re recording this particular podcast on August 5, 2025. We’re having a classic market discussion today, and with us are Josh White, head of our dairy ingredients group; Greg Sheer, who heads up our milk marketing group; Mike Brown of Jacoby dairy market intelligence; Tristan Suellentrop, and me. We’re gonna just quickly speed through all the products and talk a little bit about what the demand and supply looks like as we transition from the heat of the summer into the fall. This time of year, what we’re usually watching: the weather is hot, milk is starting to get a little bit tight, and then school starts up in a couple of weeks, so the bottling plants start needing more milk. We start shipping milk to the Southeast, and that tends to start a progression of tightness, not only in the milk supply, but in the supply of all dairy products as we get into the fall and the holiday season. So, we’ll go ahead and start with Greg. Hey, Greg, can you tell us a little bit about what’s going on with milk right now? Greg Scheer: We do see seasonally tightening milk supply. Production has been hit by the summer heat like it usually does. Maybe a little more heat in the Northeast than normal. We’re seeing that in the Mideast and Midwest and all the way into the South and Southeast. We have some comments from some of our producers that maybe a little bit older cow herd has caused the heat to be a little more significant than normal. But we don’t see an overabundance of that normal seasonal weakness in milk production. We’re seeing solid demand, and we’re starting to see a draw to the Southeast as schools will be starting up soon in the South and moving North when the schools start. So, that filling of the pipeline is going to really tighten the market, as it normally does seasonally at this time. So, tight spot markets and premiums throughout the Northeast, Mideast, and Midwest. We have the normal heat in the Southwest. Maybe a little less than usual in California, in the very west, but seasonally we’re trending where we typically are this time of year, and we’re about to get to the tightest time of the year when schools start to fill that pipeline for the school milk. So, expect firm spot market prices going forward. Even though production may bounce back a little from recent heat as we move into the end of August and September, depending on the weather this month. Ted Jacoby III: The Milk Production Report for June said we were up 3.3%. Does it really feel like we’re up that much in a lot of the parts of the country, Greg, where we’ve got milk, or does it just feel like a classic deep summer transition into fall tightness? Greg Scheer: It felt like that in June that we were up that much. It doesn’t feel like that now, which is normal. We had a heat wave in June, all of a sudden it went from being kind of cool and rainy to a hot spell that kind of kicked off the summer. That may have hit production a little earlier than normal, and it wasn’t really a gradual warmup. It just feels normal seasonally as we head into the rest of August. I just feel like it’s gonna be tight like it normally is, and it’s gonna be hard to come by spot loads once schools start filling for school needs. Ted Jacoby III: It almost feels like what you’re saying is that the increase in milk production generally has been offset by the increase in heat this year. And it’s just setting us up to roll into the fall feeling pretty normal. Greg Scheer: That’s what it feels like to me. Most of the milk supply that we know the best is that of the upper Midwest, the Mideast, the Northeast, and even sending milk to the Southeast. So, in those areas, for sure, it feels like a classic seasonal pattern that we’re in. Ted Jacoby III: Got it. Josh, what do you think that’s gonna do to the butter powder plants? Do you think it’s going to tighten up our butter and non-fat supplies, or do we have plenty of inventory out there right now? Josh White: I think it’s a complete tug of war, Ted, because we went into the year feeling like we’ve got a lot of extra cream. We’re clearly feeling the impact of dairy farmers learning how to manipulate the components in milk, particularly butterfat. That’s put us in a situation where we’re out seeking international customers for our [00:04:00] butter fat in the U.S.. Then, all of a sudden, we enter these summer months, and there’s a lot of anticipation over major processing plants coming online, particularly in the Southwest. And it’s a giant question: how quickly do those plants finish their ramp-up? Where are they in their ramp-up process? Are economics driving the ramp-up process over the next six months? And where is that milk coming from? If you look at the U.S. on a 12-month holistic view, it seems like we got a lot of milk. To Greg’s point, as we get into the third quarter here, it feels almost like we could experience a bit of a whiplash. From what we’ve felt over the past 60 days. The heat set in in July. Maybe it’s seasonally normal. The processing plants that I mentioned are starting to bring in more milk intake. Where is that milk coming from? We’re at our seasonal low in milk production. Our comparables for milk against last year were impacted by the bird flu, which affected milk production. So, our comparables are maybe [00:05:00] a little distorting at times. And when you aggregate all of that together, I’m not so sure that we’re sitting on cumbersome volumes of dairy solids in the third quarter. Now, measure that against the demand climate, and I think that might tell a different story. Greg Scheer: While we look at milk production as volume, we see lower components, which is normal during the summer, so definitely lower milk production, but also lower components. That leads into what Josh was saying, too, about reducing solids in dairy products. Ted Jacoby III: So, to clarify, Greg, when you say ‘less components,’ you mean seasonally, not annually. Greg Scheer: Yeah, the heat in the summer, it’s typical for butter, fat, and protein to drop, and that’s definitely what we’ve seen this summer as well. Alright, cool. Ted Jacoby III: I was listening to Josh speculate about demand, Mike, and it made me think of a question I should ask you and ask you to harken back to your Kroger days. How much of an increase in milk demand would Kroger and Kroger’s milk plant see when we would transition into the fall? What kind of bump is that from a Class I standpoint? Mike Brown: Really, very little because Kroger doesn’t bottle any milk for schools. So, milk is fairly consistent. You will see some seasonal changes in spring in parts of the Southeast. For the most part, they’re more stable than most. But, interestingly, you’re talking about this ’cause I was just looking at that from the standpoint of working on pooling strategies for a couple of our customers. From July to September, your demand for Class I goes up roughly by around 10%. As far as total milk supply, you think schools are what, around eight or so? That’s kind of what you’d expect it would be. Okay. Of course, they fall back again in the summer, and they fall back a little bit over the holidays. As far as consumer retail sales, most of the shift you see in late summer is due to the start of school. There isn’t so much for home. Ted Jacoby III: So, is there much of a change in fluid milk demand at the home level when kids are home for the holidays versus when they go back to school? Or do they consume cereal pretty much in the same [00:07:00] volume during the school year as they do when they’re off for summer break? Mike Brown: They bump a little bit, but you also counter that with vacations. People take vacations in the summer, and they tend to eat out more; as a result, food service establishments don’t use as much milk. Milk is a product that is definitely consumed at home, unlike some other dairy products, which have a huge part in food service. I’ll have more on that because, as I’m working on figuring out how pools are going to look, Ted, I’m getting into month-to-month changes. So, ask me next month, I’ll have better information for you. Ted Jacoby III: August is the transition month every year. Maybe everybody goes back to school in September, but all the milk plants get ready for everybody to go back to school in August. Mike Brown: That’s definitely true. That prep is starting. To Greg’s point, what we’re seeing out West, talking to some of my cheese friends out there, is: milk is still strong relative to a year ago. It’s seasonally weaker; components are seasonally weaker; that’s normal. They haven’t had quite the heat wave that the Mideast and parts of the East have had, or even parts of the Midwest, but they’re still very strong year-over-year. Whether it’s

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Experienced dairy traders discuss current market trends that affect payments to dairy farmers.

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