The Monte Hall Effect

Tim Lloyd, Tola Marts

Tim Lloyd and Tola Marts are two leaders in the Seattle aerospace community with over forty years of experience between them dealing with aerospace and high tech issues. They're also avid film buffs, and in each podcast they'll take a different science fiction film and discuss three key facets: *Science: How well do the scientific ideas in the film reflect real science. *Fiction: Do the film's plot and characterization take the viewer on a fun or intriguing journey? And… *Film: Does the movie make the most of cinematography, so that it works better in conveying its ideas than it would in a book, or graphic novel, or play? At the end of each podcast they’ll give the film a percentage ratings for each of those facets. NOTE: there will be spoilers for the film being discussed, but they will try to keep spoilers for other films to a minimum. The podcast theme music- intro and outro- is written and performed by Guy Ellis, and more of his music can be found at https://soundcloud.com/gu42 and https://www.facebook.com/cloudcoverband/.

  1. 17: Blade Runner 2049

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    17: Blade Runner 2049

    Tola and Tim discuss (yet another Denis Villeneuve film) Blade Runner 2049. Tim struggles to make connections from Tola’s list of actors to Blade Runner and 2001. The guys discuss sequels, opening text, Vangelis, Ryan Gosling’s eyes, Dave Bautista’s tiny glasses, Princess Buttercup, Nabokov (thanks to Priscilla Page’s excellent essay for this connection The Poetry of Blade Runner 2049), miming vs feeling humanity, AI girlfriends, the Joi of Ana de Armas, Jared Leto’s Elon Musk-ian scene-chewing and monologues on slavery, the joy of an Edward James Olmos cameo, the complicated ickiness of consent in Blade Runner (thanks to El Zee’s essay The Impossibility of Consent), questions about production lines for replicants, why we choose to watch movies that recapitulate terribleness, Sorry to Bother You, Manic Pixie Dream Sexbots, Take Your AI Girlfriend To Work Day, junkyard kite harpoons, failure modes of hovercars, implanted memories, extra creepy holographic sexbots, Chekhov’s hard drive, Minneapolis’s Somali theater contingent, the emotions of a murderbot, radioactive Las Vegas and its giant statues of sex workers, Roger Deakins’ amazing cinematography, more objectification and commoditization of women, Deckard’s bees, feeding whiskey to a dog, drinks over fistfights, changes in how we interpret films over time, fighting in the sea while a car slowly goes underwater, and tears in snow. Final score: science 65%, fiction 73%, film 91%. Next up: Project Hail Mary (more Gosling!)

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  2. 15: Close Encounters of the Third Kind

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    15: Close Encounters of the Third Kind

    Tola and Tim welcome our long time collaborator Guy Ellis, composer and performer of our theme and outro songs, to discuss "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," including being homesick, Balok's All Hour Disco and Discount Delicatessen, Guy eating his dessert before dinner, Disco Versions of Theme Songs, Bob Balaban vs Wallace Shawn, saying "Present Day" in a film, the Raiders Connection, teasing the audience visually, fearless three year olds, the director putting his finger on the scale, the great character actor Roberts Blossom, the ubiquity of the Close Encounters theme, all the people who turned down the role that defined Richard Dreyfuss' career, manifesting what you see in your artist's inner eye, Douglas Trumbull's mist machine, Guy's band Cloud Cover, the Kodály music language, the challenge of interspecies communication, solving everything w/ LLMs, the baud rate of baleen whales, the Deep Space Network, cartography's moment in the sun, the pure awesomeness of Devil's Tower National Monument, Tola forgets the name of amazing author N. Scott Momaday (who Tola heard lecture at the University of Minnesota in 1997 and who recently passed away), Tola's love for Melinda Dillon as an actress and incredulity that she didn't become a giant movie star, Kraftwerk cover bands, speculation that having a competent government would be nice, faking a plague (D'oh!), embarrassing your spouse in front of the neighbors, reminiscing about when there were only four news channels, competent investigators, Tim's grandfather and Rockwell International, Merle Haggard, sneaking the Jaws theme into the sound mix, floating oil refineries, musical communication, the refreshing lack of a sequel to this movie, capturing and bottling up pure concentrated wonder, "Fifty Solutions to Fermi's Paradox" by Stephen Webb, debating the existence of aliens, living in the celestial equivalent of North Dakota, and seeing movies when you're young versus later in life. Final score: science 60%, fiction 87%, and film 96%. Next time on the Monte Hall Effect: the 2025 film "The Fantastic Four: First Steps." Special Guest: Guy Ellis.

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  3. 14: Dune: Part Two

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    14: Dune: Part Two

    In this episode the guys take on 2024's Denis Villeneuve's "Dune: Part Two" and ponder bitless podcast starts, sequels, the Denis Villeneuve oeuvre, telegraphing the beginning of Dune Messiah, giving a giant middle finger to Joseph Campbell (thanks to Haris Durrani's discussion of this topic on Our Opinions Are Correct), Part 2 being Chani's movie, Ellen Ripley vs Chani haters, film faithfulness to source novels, Tim points out yet again that he was able to hang out with Roger Ebert a whole bunch back in the day, Tola briefly arguing that Fight Club (book and film) glorify fascism but then letting the issue drop, the Dune novel being really long, the rise of the House of Saud, Jordanian film boosterism, critiquing desert gear, the back history of the Fremen, obscuring mythology versus prophecy, the genius of Charlotte Rampling, misuse of stillsuits, Tola and Tim waste time calculating orders of magnitude of volumes of water, Stilgar as Morpheus, true belief vs Machiavellianism, a brief glimpse of Anya Taylor-Joy, side quests, targeting the poor, sand snorkels, lasers vs shields, the ever present ghost of the David Lynch Dune film, conveying disgustingness without resorting to homophobia, rivers of blood and mountains of skulls, Paul's evolving attitude towards theocracy and genocide, riding the worm (in 1983 vs 2024), a xenobiological assessment of Arrakis ecology, Christopher Walken's thespian choices, missing the Guild navigators, the challenge of Giedi Prime tourism, optimizing your bureaucracy, Frank Herbert and his persistent obsession with magical coochies, sacrificial idiots, artistry vs goodness vs happiness, the transformative power of pragmatism, Chekhov's Nuclear Warhead, understanding partner comment context, stupid tech bros and their stupid drugs, Timothée Chalamet hitting it out of the park, cold reading, Polish Sejm as historical precursor for the Landsraad, photogenic nuclear bombs, facing giant death worms, Tola's nerd questions for Tim about women and swords, the utter no-contestedness of Sardaukar facing Fremen, becoming Harkonnen, movie Chani vs book Chani, shaking off a kidney knife puncture, confusion in the last five minutes (a la Primer), nothingburger secret reveals, Galactic population estimates, ending it all with Chani as audience proxy, Chekhov's Florence Pugh, and another shout out to the great SciFi channel Dune miniseries. Final score: Science (60%), Fiction (85%), Film (97%). Next up: "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" where Tola revisits his childhood!

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  4. 12: Aniara

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    12: Aniara

    The boys talk “Call Your Boyfriend,” ABBA, The Swedish Chef, tasty pastries, the best dates to visit Minnesota, “The Rapture,” bleak (and unwatchable?) movies from Scandinavian directors, "Funny Games" (grrrrrr...), misunderstood "happy" endings, Avenue 5, Silent Spring, the cold calculus of actual human colonization, "A City on Mars" by Kelly and Zach Weinersmith, the genetically perfect progeny of the oligarchy, yet more orbital mechanics (Tola rants about the plane of the ecliptic), getting straight to the existential horror, spaceships and colonies likely being more cramped than we realize, space being really big, but Mars not being really all that far away, the brilliant future of AI as a copyright and/or classroom cheating enabler, ignorance of the constellation of Lyra, Tola's requisite sailing reference, Chekhov's algae, the entropic nature of complex systems, "Aurora" by Kim Stanley Robinson, differing access to crayons, the profundity of William Shatner, an epic AI mike drop, Jayne Cobb's workout regimen, cults, giant space orgies that are not as much fun as they sound, the relative ease of interplanetary communication, the death of hope, random sci-fi puzzle boxes, confusion versus wonder, paying horribly for carrying even a small measure of optimism, failure cascades, the false dichotomy of saving Earth vs reaching for the stars, "Children of Men," being careful about what we watch and read in the middle of the night, space trying to kill you, the Lars von Trier oeuvre (h/t Brian Kamman!) and much more – all while taking in a movie based on an epic, book-length poem from Swedish Nobel laureate Harry Martinson. Content Warning: at several points we discuss the topic of suicide, which also factors into the plot of the film. If you are in crisis and need to talk to someone, text HOME to 741741 (in the US) for free help from a counselor. Thanks again to Paul Zastrow for sound editing this episode. Final score: Science (78%), Fiction (93%), Film (90%). Next up: "Buckaroo Banzai" as a palate cleanser! (re-posted 3/12/24)

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  5. 10: Life

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    10: Life

    In this episode the guys welcome a very special guest: their long time friend, Naval Aviator and retired NASA astronaut Jeff Ashby and talk about a FMECA gone wrong, the ISS, radios, ground communications, TDRS, schedule, crews, procedure vs cowboyism, creative plumbing solutions, clean vs clutter, the miracle of velcro, Jeff's Sleeping Pod Project, fire in space, oxygen candles, using standard atmosphere, Aliens Gone Bad, depicting zero gee, the Vomit Comet, doing biology in a glovebox, protocols, contaminents, fluffy space dust bunnies, computers, realism vs entertainment, hydrazine, moving the station, control moment gyros, technical advisors, Jim Lovell and Ron Howard, adding drama, inspiring future astronauts, remembering Neil Armstrong, predicting orbital debris problems twenty years ago, New York's scenic and welcoming Southern Tier, vast quantities of horribly cheap and terrible science fiction films, mediocre directors make mediocre movies, Tola's obsession with sailboats, underappreciated Japanese actor Hiroyuki Sanada, using the ISS, NASA's Office of Planetary Protection (do we or any of our listeners know anyone who ever worked there?!?), six expendable meatbags, astronaut crosstraining, lots of parallels to Alien, Chris Hadfield's biography, we talk again about how velocities work in space, twinkling stars, catching fast things without breaking them, Reanimator, who's the boss?, designing for perfection, the fallacy of the perfect glove, designing around hazards, Chekhov's Mouse, going from monocellular to highly evolved intelligence in hours not years, films winking at their auidiences, flamethrowers in space, venting, whack-a-mole fire extinguishers, ISS not being the Nostromo, keeping people away from poisons, we talk again about how organic stuff works in a vacuum, the buddy system in space, space suit pressure, nitrogen purges, being perilous and terrifying without being toxic, Tim mentions Hadfield's biography again talking about the risking of drowning in microgravity, navigating through the hydrazine thruster system(!), understanding sensors in terms of orders of magnitude, more whack a mole, losing your grasp on reality, sacrificial canibalism, solutions that no longer make a single bit of sense, blocking a scene so you can't figure out what's happening at all, how it's hard to nudge things into the sun, yet another exciting discussion of orbital mechanics in case you haven't had your fill from earlier episodes, getting the clock ticking to amp up the suspense, Tim's totally awesome Student Nitric Oxide Explorer, NORAD, sullying the good name of Goodnight Moon, lying movie trailers and the lying liars who make them, how nobody makes lifeboats that only hold one person, real world ISS lifeboat problems, the least bad answer, Man Out Of Space Easiest (MOOSE!), The Twist!(tm), and the omniscient and emotional intelligent alien. Final score: Science 68%, Fiction 63%, and Film 70%. Next up: the boys get political with Bong Joon-ho's 2013 film "Snowpiercer"! Special Guest: Jeff Ashby.

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Tim Lloyd and Tola Marts are two leaders in the Seattle aerospace community with over forty years of experience between them dealing with aerospace and high tech issues. They're also avid film buffs, and in each podcast they'll take a different science fiction film and discuss three key facets: *Science: How well do the scientific ideas in the film reflect real science. *Fiction: Do the film's plot and characterization take the viewer on a fun or intriguing journey? And… *Film: Does the movie make the most of cinematography, so that it works better in conveying its ideas than it would in a book, or graphic novel, or play? At the end of each podcast they’ll give the film a percentage ratings for each of those facets. NOTE: there will be spoilers for the film being discussed, but they will try to keep spoilers for other films to a minimum. The podcast theme music- intro and outro- is written and performed by Guy Ellis, and more of his music can be found at https://soundcloud.com/gu42 and https://www.facebook.com/cloudcoverband/.