The Next Tier

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The Next Tier is a leadership podcast about the people-decisions that shape organizations and the moments that define careers. Hosted by Betsy Robinson, Founder and CEO, and Robert Bouchard, COO, each episode features candid conversations with executives, founders, and industry leaders about how they build teams, navigate complexity, and make high-stakes hiring and leadership decisions. We go beyond titles and resumes to uncover the experiences, lessons, and uncommon turning points that influence how great organizations are actually built. Are you ready to reach the next tier?

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  1. The Relentless Pursuer, Part 1 | Ft. Jennifer Baker, CIO, Arvest Bank

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    The Relentless Pursuer, Part 1 | Ft. Jennifer Baker, CIO, Arvest Bank

    What does it really take to move to the next tier — in your career, your team, and your organization? In our inaugural episode, cohosts Betsy Robinson and Robert Bouchard sit down with Jennifer Baker, Chief Information Officer at Arvest Bank and board member of Women in Technology, for an honest conversation about leadership, growth, and what it means to show up with intention. Jen has spent her career solving business problems through technology, not the other way around. Under her strategic leadership, top 50 banks have experienced comprehensive transformations, including a $3 billion net new increase in revenue. She's been recognized as one of the top three Women of Impact in AI & Tech by Rotary International, DEI Tech Leader of the Year by the Technology Association of Georgia, and a CIO of the Year finalist for the Orbie Awards. But titles and accolades aren't what this conversation is about. Jen opens up about being a self-described introvert in the C-suite, why over-preparation is her superpower, and the advice from an early mentor that rewired how she thinks about leadership presence. She and Betsy also dig into one of the most urgent and undertalked issues in the industry: the alarming rate at which talented women are leaving the workforce at the mid-career level — before they ever reach the C-suite — and what organizations, leaders, and individuals can do about it right now. In this episode: Why Jen never set out to be a CIO and what she was actually chasingThe introvert's guide to showing up bigger than your instinctsWhat a $3B revenue transformation actually looks like from the insideWhy we're losing women in the middle and what it will cost us if we don't actThe elevator metaphor that has stuck with Betsy for yearsWhether you're early in your career, leading a team, or somewhere in between, this episode will give you something to think about.

    44 min

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The Next Tier is a leadership podcast about the people-decisions that shape organizations and the moments that define careers. Hosted by Betsy Robinson, Founder and CEO, and Robert Bouchard, COO, each episode features candid conversations with executives, founders, and industry leaders about how they build teams, navigate complexity, and make high-stakes hiring and leadership decisions. We go beyond titles and resumes to uncover the experiences, lessons, and uncommon turning points that influence how great organizations are actually built. Are you ready to reach the next tier?