The world we live in today is shaped in large part by the security incidents and terrorist attacks of the past... some we know about, and some still hidden in the shadows. As a counterterrorism agent with the U.S. State Department, Fred Burton was involved in many high-profile investigations including the search for and arrest of Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the first World Trade Center bombing as well as directing multiple proactive protective intelligence efforts for visiting dignitaries like Yassir Arafat and Princess Diana.
In the Ontic Protective Intelligence Podcast, Fred speaks with experts about real-life incidents ranging from the 1966 University of Texas shooting, to high profile kidnappings and workplace violence incidents, to name a few. Join us as we dig into the world of physical security and protective intelligence—the past, the present and the future.
Brad Thor on the Inspiration Behind his 20th Thriller, Black Ice
It’s hard to imagine a different path for Brad Thor. However, being a writer (and a New York Times bestselling one, at that) was not an easy leap. With a vast fan base (a large majority being in the security and protection business) he shares an important lesson that we can all learn from: “That which we're most destined to do in life, we’re more afraid of. True success is surmounting that fear.”
Brad continues to swim against the current and stands out once again in his latest novel, Black Ice. In this episode, Brad returns as a podcast guest to give listeners a sneak peak into his 20th thriller. Fred and Brad discuss the research that went into the threat landscape in the Arctic states where the plot takes place. He depicts the often overlooked details of surveillance, team camaraderie, and graveyard humor better than anyone.
Brad Thor is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of 20 thrillers. He has appeared on every major news channel (including ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, FOX, CNN, and MSNBC) to share the parallels between his novels around terrorism and international espionage, and the real threats facing the world today. Brad is well respected in the security and intelligence space and has served as a member of the Department of Homeland Security’s Analytic Red Cell Unit. He has also lectured to law enforcement organizations on over-the-horizon/future threats, and has been a keynote speaker for the National Tactical Officers Association annual conference.
Fred Burton's Commentary on the 2021 Mid-Year Outlook State of Protective Intelligence Report
In this bonus episode, Ontic’s Co-Founder, Tom Kopecky, switches seats with our podcast host, Fred Burton, to discuss key findings from Ontic's recently released 2021 Mid-Year Outlook State of Protective Intelligence Report.
Tom and Fred discuss current trends as companies embrace hybrid work and employees return to the office, as well as the aftermath of January 6th. They also highlight the biggest changes from the 2021 State of Protective Intelligence Report, including:
Regulation and compliance reporting — The need to measure has risen to the top of the biggest 2021 challenges for physical security leaders, as has benchmarking and measurement to demonstrate return on investment.
Effectively assessing physical threats — While still high on the previous list, this category reflected a significantly bigger challenge to overcome in the mid-year report.
Cyber-physical convergence — Unification and seeing all information (cyber and physical) under the same lens is critical, and is fortunately well underway in many industries this year.
For more information on what lies ahead, listen to the full podcast and download a copy of the report at Ontic.co/report
Ron Worman on the Cultural Challenge Behind the Cyber-Physical Convergence
The unification of cyber and physical security information is a challenge that technology alone cannot solve. However, what many do not realize is that it is most certainly a culture problem - rooted in deeply embedded belief systems. In order to be changed and viewed under the same roof, it has to be articulated and measured — and, more importantly, it has to be embraced by leadership.
Ron and Fred have a “Great Conversation” in this episode in every sense of the phrase. Ron shares how convergence has occurred at the technical level, but it is long overdue at the organizational level. They discuss the role of technology and automation to assist in this organizational shift, since the current deluge of information means that no one has enough time, money, or people to detect anomalies and patterns.
Ron Worman is the Founder and CEO of The Sage Group® and The Great Conversation. Over the last 30 years The Sage Group has been helping companies build and execute a 'value' strategy that leverages their internal and external relationships. Sage helps clients identify their strategy, formalize it in an effective plan, communicate it to its employees, partners and clients and measure it to ensure strategic objectives are met. The Sage Group methodology, The Path to Value™, has been leveraged successfully by clients across multiple markets and models since 2002. That led to "The Great Conversation", a podcast and physical forum designed to capture the essential ideas that are working today and, more importantly, the emerging ideas that could change our lives and our businesses tomorrow.
Chuck Randolph on the Evolution of Technology in Executive Protection
It’s no secret that the nature of threats are evolving; however, the C-suite narrowing in cyber threats leaves room for error that no company can afford. The physical side of threats is still disregarded by many leadership teams, and it will take forward thinking leaders to stay committed to using common operating information, or making sure teams are looking at data in the same way.
In this episode, Chuck and Fred discuss the convergence of technology in the executive protection space, the concept of “edge risk,” and the impact of COVID on the industry. They also cover the role of the human mind in assessing threats and the risk of over reliance on the IoT in today’s culture.
Charles (Chuck) Randolph is the Senior Director of Operations and Intelligence for AT Risk International. He leads a team whose role is to fuse and report on threat intelligence and other risk trends which affect the company. Prior to this role, Chuck was responsible for transforming the executive protective, event security and intelligence services to function beyond their traditional roles to those of strategic enablers at Microsoft. He is also a founding member of the Corporate Executive Protection Leadership Council (CEPLC) and the International Protective Security Board (IPSB).
What does it take to be a hostage negotiator?
When corporate security teams or law enforcement officers are on the front lines dealing with a crisis, they need more than a weapon on their belt to diffuse the situation. The art of negotiation and communicating to lower tension and stall for time is underrated and overlooked.
Gary Noesner, former FBI hostage negotiator, knows this firsthand, which is why he authored a book on the topic — Stalling for Time: My Life as an FBI Hostage Negotiator. In this episode, Fred and Gary discuss what skills are needed to be an effective hostage negotiator, the curriculum he built to support the role, and changes he foresees in the space.
Gary Noesner retired from the FBI in 2003 following a 30 year career as an investigator, instructor, and negotiator. He was an FBI hostage negotiator for 23 years of his career, retiring as the Chief of the FBI’s Crisis Negotiation Unit, Critical Incident Response Group, the first person to hold that position. He has appeared in numerous television documentaries about hostage negotiation, terrorism, and kidnapping and has been interviewed in Time, Forbes, the New Yorker, the Washington Post, and the New York Times.
A Conversation with Gabrielle Thompson, PI, CPP (Protective Intelligence Honors Pioneer)
In this interview series, we spotlight leaders recognized in the Protective Intelligence Honors who have had a lasting impact on the security world as we know it. It is our hope that their insights on leadership and the timeless practice of security and protection will inspire you in your own efforts.
To say that Gabrielle is passionate about protecting victims and thoroughly assessing a case is an understatement. She has personally assessed and managed thousands of cases of inappropriate pursuit, threats, and harassment, including workplace violence, domestic violence, and public figure/executive pursuit. In her conversation with Fred, Gabrielle shares what led her to launch her career in threat assessment, lessons learned along the way, and where she sees the physical security industry evolving in the years to come.
This is a smart podcast
So happy this podcast started. I’m learning so much about the security industry and threat assessments from some of the best experts around, especially the experiences from Fred Burton. Definitely a weekly must listen.
Experience- Excellence- Great info
Fred Burton is an exceptional story writer and as such a gifted moderator and interviewer. His years of experience in all aspects of law enforcement and geopolitics results in impactful conversations with fellow professionals. These podcast are excellent and I look forward to each new episode.
Excellent podcast “A Sniper in the Tower”
This review is written so that there are absolutely no misunderstandings concerning the content of my message.
Mr. Gary Lavergne depicted the events as they transpired in an eye opening awareness of the gravity of the situation as if it were in live time. Mr. Fred Burton was exceptional in asking situational questions of the event that continued to enhance the awareness of the tragedy that happened on that day and the lead up beforehand.
I truly look forward of more to come from The Ontic Protective Intelligence Podcast.