The Other 22 Hours

Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between. A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world. Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

  1. Writing for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.

    6D AGO

    Writing for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.

    As the architect behind Rolling Stone Country and the host of the Nashville Now podcast, Joe Hudak has spent decades at the center of the industry. Along with Alison Abbey Hudak, a veteran editor who has shaped the narrative of Nashville’s elite lifestyle media, they offer a wealth of experience in creative survival. This conversation dives into the "show business" of art , the moral weight of elevating artists who mismanage their influence, and the courage required to admit when a prestigious career has stifled your creative brain. In This Episode: Joe HudakAllison Abbey HudakJonathan Bernstein“People Are Drinking Less Than Ever. What’s Country Music to Do?” - Rolling StoneCarly PearceKeslea BalleriniSterling DrakeMarissa MossNashville LifestylesEp 47 Margo Price & Jeremy IveyCarl Jung Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    53 min
  2. Derek Trucks on collaborative marriage, mentorship, and the healing power of a soundcheck poodle.

    APR 15

    Derek Trucks on collaborative marriage, mentorship, and the healing power of a soundcheck poodle.

    What happens to the creative spirit when you have been a professional "lifer" since the age of nine? Derek Trucks, widely considered one of the greatest guitarists of all time and a veteran of the Allman Brothers Band and Eric Clapton’s touring lineup, joins us to discuss longevity and leading a 12-piece musical circus. We explore the gradual shift from student to teacher, the grounding force of a musical marriage, and the essential practice of "turning the crops" to stay inspired. In This Episode: Tedeschi Trucks BandAllman Brothers BandThe Beacon TheaterEric ClaptonKofi BurbridgeJohn Lee HookerKoko TaylorAce MorelandColonel Bruce HamptonBuddy GuyJoe WalshGregg AllmanJim ScottTom DowdA Love SupremeKrishnamurtiMad Dogs & Englishman (movie) Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    51 min
  3. Suzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers.

    APR 8

    Suzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers.

    How does an artist outlast the industry machine to build a career entirely on her own terms? We sit down with GRAMMY-winner, ACM Vocalist of the year, and CMA Horizon Award recipient Suzy Bogguss to explore the evolution of a 40-year career that spans platinum records and her 2026 induction into the Grand Ole Opry. This conversation is an invitation to reconsider what we value, moving away from the noise of the major label machine and toward a philosophy of quality over quantity, independence, and the deep community. In This Episode: Suzy BoggussMatraca BergJeff HannaEp 43 - Gretchen PetersPatty LovelessEp 46 - Mary Chapin CarpenterCapitol RecordsCAAKathy MatteaFolk AllianceEp 16 - Rodney CrowellChet Atkins Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    50 min
  4. Amythyst Kiah on psychic sovereignty, success envy, and the self-improvement doom loop.

    APR 1

    Amythyst Kiah on psychic sovereignty, success envy, and the self-improvement doom loop.

    GRAMMY-nominated songwriter Amythyst Kiah has performed with Moby and Billy Strings and is a member of the supergroup Our Native Daughters. She joins us for a startlingly honest look at the "farce of surface-level success." After a label debut and a whirlwind of global exposure, she found herself "barely hanging on for dear life" amidst the pressure of a rat race industry. We explore her journey to achieve detachment from outcomes, writing for sync licensing (film + TV) as a creative recharge, and the ancient wisdom that helped her trade the self-improvement doom loop for a slower, sustainable creative life. In This Episode: Amaythyst KiahOur Native DaughtersBrian Eno‘Music for Airports’Allison Russell‘Tao Te Ching’Marcus Aurelius‘Siddhartha’ Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    50 min
  5. James Victore on radical integrity, questioning authority, and getting paid $20,000 to shut up.

    MAR 25

    James Victore on radical integrity, questioning authority, and getting paid $20,000 to shut up.

    James Victore is an Emmy Award-winning artist and author whose work is held in the permanent collection of the Louvre and has been exhibited many times at MoMA (NYC). Victore has shaped the visual language of institutions from 'The New York Times' to the City of New York. In this conversation, we explore the spiritual gravity of "staying in the pool" when creativity gets hard, discuss the incubation time of the soul, the environmental and creative toll of our want of ease, and the quiet, daily discipline of living consciously in a world designed to keep us asleep. In This Episode: James VictoreMuseum of Natural History NYCMr DoodleKeith HaringMuseum of Modern Art (MoMA)‘A League of Their Own’ Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    46 min
  6. S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.

    MAR 18

    S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.

    Singer-songwriter S.G. Goodman has earned critical acclaim, award nominations, and has worked with legends like Tyler Childers, Jason Isbell, and Jim James of My Morning Jacket. In this episode, we discuss the grueling physical and mental requirements of "making it." From working manual labor to stay afloat while not on the road to navigating the complex realities of running a bona fide business, S.G. opens up about scarcity, OCD, and the hard-won wisdom of learning to drive the lawnmower instead of letting it drive you. In This Episode: SG GoodmanMas TacosMadison CunninghamJesse Welles Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    49 min
  7. Hunter Hayes on identity beyond music, high-efficiency routines, and radical vulnerability.

    MAR 11

    Hunter Hayes on identity beyond music, high-efficiency routines, and radical vulnerability.

    5-time GRAMMY-nominee Hunter Hayes has spent his entire life on the national stage, from performing at the White House at age seven to sharing stadium spotlights with the likes of Stevie Wonder and Taylor Swift. Yet, behind the multi-platinum accolades was a realization that his professional development had far outpaced his personal life. In this episode, we explore the vulnerability of "growing up" in the public eye, the paralyzing fear of not being busy, and how a strict routine can actually provide the ultimate freedom to play. And, we chat about how starting from a place of love is the only viable way to build an artistic career that lasts. In This Episode: Hunter HayesDann HuffEp136 - Chely WrightEp 73 - Edwin McCain Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work. Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    47 min
  8. Butch Walker on accidental careers, the ego-driven climb, and 'shut up and sing'.

    MAR 4

    Butch Walker on accidental careers, the ego-driven climb, and 'shut up and sing'.

    Butch Walker has spent decades at the summit of the music industry, producing multi-platinum records for icons like Pink, Katy Perry, and Green Day while fronting his own high-energy solo tours. Yet, despite reaching that peak, he found himself "climbing the hill" so intently that he had forgotten to look at the view, leading to burnout and a desire to step back. In this conversation, we explore the courage required to dismantle an ego-driven path in favor of a soul-driven one, and finding unbridled joy in the simple act of being a "sponge" for new inspiration. In This Episode: Butch WalkerJohn Legend'The Real Frank Zappa Book'TrainTaylor SwiftBad BunnyKendrick LamarDesmond Child Go Deeper: Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram. The Hosts: The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach). More about Aaron's work.More about Michaela Anne's work. Credits:  Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

    45 min
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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between. A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world. Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.

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  • Creator
    Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    147
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2023-26 The 0ther 22 Hours Podcast
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    The Other 22 Hours

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