23 episodes
The Pact Studio BOTH/AND
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- True Crime
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4.2 • 119 Ratings
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It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any.
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1. The Pact
On the night of Kelly Cochran's wedding, her husband Jason forced her to agree to a pact: That if she ever cheated on him, she'd have to kill the man she cheated with. That pact would result in the deaths of at least 9 people.
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Music:
Chris Zabriskie: Last Night I Dreamt I Saw True Love in Your Eyes
Sergey Cheremisinov: Sleepers
Sergey Cheremisinov: Comets and Sparks Whithe: Consequences DOOMSQUAD: Ice Storm
My Brightest Diamond: Lover Killer
Resources:
• FOIA files
• Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/201805/what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-female-psychopaths
• The Iron Mountain Daily News: https://www.ironmountaindailynews.com/news/local-news/2017/02/missing-or-dead/
• Dead North, Investigation Discovery
• The Iron County Reporter -
2. Hunters & Gatherers
Phone records, discrepancies in Kelly Cochran's statements, search warrants, and several interviews lead to some shocking revelations surrounding Chris Regan's disappearance. Plus, criminal psychologist, Joni Johnston, discusses female psychopaths.
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Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov, Radical Face, and The Bird & The Bee.
Sources: Dead North, Psychology Today, and Where Monsters Hide: Sex, Murder and Madness in the Midwest by M. William Phelps -
3. Baby Bird
Investigators and psychologists try to get to the bottom of which Cochran was abusing the other. Chief Frizzo works with the FBI and an unlikely informant to coerce Kelly into confessing. And Kelly hits the road, again.
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Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Music by William Hellfire, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov, Radical Face, and Anna Calvi
Sources: Dead North and The Iron County Reporter -
4. Two Women
Kelly discusses a third murder. Josh takes a look at the two women at the center of this case, and how their lives were affected and intertwined by it.
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Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Music by William Hellfire, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov, Lee Rosevere, Radical Face.
Sources: The Iron Mountain Daily News, Michigan Live, U.P. Matters, The Iron County Reporter, Dead North. -
5. Quack Quack, Oink Oink
The trial of Kelly Cochran reveals shocking information about Kelly and Jason, discerns Kelly's truth from lies, and begins painting a clear picture of the Cochrans' killing spree. Plus, we take a closer look at Jason's manuscript.
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand
Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Music by William Hellfire, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov, Chris Zabriskie, Stacxk, Lee Rosevere, Radical Face.
Sources: Where Monsters Hide: Sex, Murder, and Madness in the Midwest by M. William Phelps, The Iron Mountain Daily News, The Iron County Reporter, and Dead North. -
6. Mississippi Street
The investigation into Jason and Kelly Cochran's other crimes begins with a look into their time in Indiana; revealing some strange and shocking connections.
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand
Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Music by William Hellfire, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov, Stacxk, Lee Rosevere, Radical Face, Kevin MacLeod, and Jenny Wilson.
Sources: NAMUS, The Charley Project, Where Monsters Hide: Sex, Murder, and Madness in the Midwest by M. William Phelps, The Iron Mountain Daily News, and The Iron County Reporter.
Customer Reviews
Sound is definitely an issue
Trying to listen on a road trip is hard when the sound of the podcast is so drastically different than the ads. You’ll get startled. Like many others his pronunciation of iron is distracting. Those two issues aside, the content is interesting.
Early Exit
When I got to the fourth installment, I thought it was a different podcast. When I saw that there are 18 episodes total, I got out. To me, lack of focus and brevity was more of an issue than narration style.
Huh? What “pact”
There is nothing there. This is a slogggg. You will get drowned out by phony 5 star reviews but if you want to listen to this podcast listen on 1.5x speed because he either slowed it down to drag this out or is annoyingly slow in his delivery.
There is literally no talk about this so called pact.
Skip episode 6 about Laura. Provides nothing to the story of Kelly. Its a filler episode.
You come away in the end thinking why did i listen to that? Did we really uncover anything?