The Pavan Perspective

Pavan Agarwal

Listen as Celligence CEO Pavan Agarwal, a leader in multiple industries from mortgage banking to artificial intelligence, interviews other business leaders and shares his insights and advice for budding entrepreneurs beginning their journey.

  1. 1d ago

    The Biggest Wealth Shift: Crypto, Blockchain, and Tokenization

    Is crypto fundamentally changing the way the world works? In this episode of The Pavan Perspective, David Lykken and Manny Alicandro explore the future of cryptocurrency, blockchain, tokenization, digital assets, and decentralized finance. From peer-to-peer payments to tokenized real estate, fractional ownership, and the future of stock trading, this conversation reveals how global finance is being reshaped and the new opportunities for wealth creation. Whether you're an investor, entrepreneur, fintech enthusiast, or simply curious about the future of money, this episode offers valuable insights into one of the biggest technological and financial transformations of our time. Speaker Information Pavan Agarwal Founder/CEO of Celligence LLCCreator of AngelAiCEO of Sun West Mortgage, nmls 3277 Pavan Agarwal is the Chief Executive Officer of Sun West, one of the largest independent, privately owned mortgage companies based in the U.S. He is also the founder of Celligence, which harnesses the best of Artificial Intelligence and Empathetic Technology to make mortgages simple and accessible. Pavan is a major proponent of Fair Lending and using technology to create homeownership opportunities for underserved markets. He loves to bring innovation into the mortgage industry and seamlessly integrate business units, and products into a single architecture to achieve success.  Pavan's exceptional achievements have garnered recognition from prestigious media outlets, including Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg. He's also been nominated for a national philanthropy award for his work with The Autism Community in Action (TACA). David Lykken Founder and Chief Transformation Officer | Executive Coach and Business Strategy Consultant Transformational Mortgage Solutions, LLC David Lykken is a seasoned mortgage industry expert with over four decades of experience. As a former owner-operator of three mortgage banking companies, a software firm, and several leading consulting businesses, David has a proven track record of driving growth through consulting, executive coaching, and strategic communications. He specializes in working with C-level executives and business owners to develop business strategies, enhance sales and marketing efforts, and streamline operations for greater efficiency and profitability.  David is a regular guest on FOX Business News and CNBC and hosts the popular weekly podcast, "Lykken on Lending," which attracts thousands of mortgage professionals. He also produces the daily market commentary, "Today’s Mortgage Minute," which reaches millions of viewers. In addition, David is a prolific writer, contributing articles to leading industry publications. Manny Alicandro    Founding Partner The Alicandro Law Firm, PLLC Manny Alicandro is the Founding Partner of The Alicandro Law Firm, where he advises clients on compliance, risk management, regulation, governance, and financial services. With over 30 years of experience, he has held senior leadership roles at a hedge fund, a global management consulting firm, a global investment bank, a major U.S. exchange, and FINRA, specializing in electronic trading, market structure, regulatory compliance, and FinTech. Manny holds degrees from New York University, Pace University, New York Law School, and MIT, and is admitted to practice before multiple state and federal courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court. Fox News, Yahoo!, Bloomberg, CNBC, FINRA, New York University, Pace University, New York Law School, and MIT are registered trademarks of Fox Media LLC, Yahoo Inc., Bloomberg Finance One L.P., NBCUniversal Media, LLC, Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, Inc., New York University, Pace University, New York Law School, and Massachusetts Institute Of Technology, respectively. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc is not affiliated with any third parties mentioned above. The names are owned by the respective third parties.

    The Biggest Wealth Shift: Crypto, Blockchain, and Tokenization
  2. Jul 8

    Warranted Intelligence: The Patent That Changes Everything

    Can Artificial Intelligence move beyond predictions and deliver decisions you can actually trust? In this episode of The Pavan Perspective, Jennifer Vallinayagam and David Lykken explore AngelAi's groundbreaking Warranted Intelligence, a foundational innovation that introduces deterministic, explainable Ai for high-stakes industries. Learn how AngelAi's patented Transactional Language ModelTM differs from conventional probabilistic Ai, why explainable decision-making is becoming essential for regulatory compliance, and how this technology is transforming mortgage lending, healthcare, financial services, and enterprise Ai. Speaker InformationPavan AgarwalFounder/CEO of Celligence LLC, Creator of AngelAiCEO of Sun West Mortgage, nmls 3277 Pavan Agarwal is the Chief Executive Officer of Sun West, one of the largest independent, privately owned mortgage companies based in the U.S. He is also the founder of Celligence, which harnesses the best of Artificial Intelligence and Empathetic Technology to make mortgages simple and accessible to everyone. Pavan is a major proponent of Fair Lending and using technology to create homeownership opportunities for underserved markets. Pavan's exceptional achievements have garnered recognition from prestigious media outlets, including Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg. He's also been nominated for a national philanthropy award for his work with The Autism Community in Action (TACA). Jennifer Vallinayagam Chief Operating Officer at Sun West Jennifer Vallinayagam, as the Chief Operating Officer (COO) of Sun West, has a remarkable background in software engineering and computer programming. She joined Sun West in 1999 and played a pivotal role in the development of the Mortgage Loan Origination System, now known as SunSoft®/SMILES. This software has been crucial to Sun West's origination and servicing operations and continues to be a cornerstone of their processes. Jennifer's dedication, hard work, and strategic mindset led to her appointment as COO. Her outstanding contributions have been recognized through prestigious accolades, including being named a '2023 Woman of Influence' by HousingWire, a '2023 Mortgage Lending Woman of Inspiration' by National Mortgage Professional, and receiving a Globee® Women in Business Award. David LykkenFounder and Chief Transformation Officer | Executive Coach and Business Strategy Consultant | Transformational Mortgage Solutions, LLCDavid Lykken is a seasoned mortgage industry expert with over four decades of experience. As a former owner-operator of three mortgage banking companies, a software firm, and several leading consulting businesses, David has a proven track record of driving growth through consulting, executive coaching, and strategic communications. He specializes in working with C-level executives and business owners to develop business strategies, enhance sales and marketing efforts, and streamline operations for greater efficiency and profitability. David is a regular guest on FOX Business News and CNBC and hosts the popular weekly podcast, "Lykken on Lending," which attracts thousands of mortgage professionals nationwide. He also produces the daily market commentary, "Today’s Mortgage Minute," which reaches millions of viewers through various media outlets. In addition, David is a prolific writer, contributing articles to leading industry publications on a regular basis. Visit swmc.com/disclaimer for terms and limitations of the AngelAi® Warranty.Fox News, Yahoo!, Bloomberg, CNBC, Globee® are registered trademarks of Fox Media LLC, Yahoo Inc., Bloomberg Finance One L.P., NBCUniversal Media, LLC, and Silicon Valley Communications, LLC, respectively.Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc. is acting as the Lender and offers financing to qualified borrowers. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc is not affiliated with any third parties mentioned above. The names are owned by the respective third parties.

    Warranted Intelligence: The Patent That Changes Everything
  3. Jul 1

    When Ai becomes the Mortgage Company

    In this episode of The Pavan Perspective, David Lykken sits down with Troy Kennedy to discuss a major shift happening in mortgage lending: AI is no longer just a tool—it’s becoming the workflow itself. From siloed operations and manual handoffs to intelligent, continuously coordinated lending processes, they explore why the industry’s biggest challenge isn’t speed, but operational design. Discover how embedded intelligence can reduce friction, surface issues earlier, and help mortgage teams move from chasing tasks to driving smarter, more resilient decisions. Speaker Information Pavan Agarwal Founder/CEO of Celligence LLC, Creator of AngelAi, and CEO of Sun West Mortgage, nmls 3277 Pavan Agarwal is the Chief Executive Officer of Sun West, one of the largest independent, privately owned mortgage companies in the U.S., and the founder of Celligence. He is a leading advocate for Fair Lending and using AI-driven technology to make homeownership more accessible, particularly for underserved communities. His work has been recognized by Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg, and he has also been nominated for a national philanthropy award for his work with The Autism Community in Action (TACA). David Lykken Founder and Chief Transformation Officer | Executive Coach and Business Strategy Consultant Transformational Mortgage Solutions, LLC David Lykken is a mortgage industry veteran with over four decades of experience. A former owner of multiple mortgage banking companies, a software firm, and consulting businesses, he specializes in business strategy, executive coaching, sales, marketing, and operational transformation. He is the host of Lykken on Lending and Today's Mortgage Minute, and is a regular contributor to leading industry publications. Troy Kennedy NMLS 418906 CEO of LoanWorks Inc. | NMLS 2506079 Troy Kennedy is the Chief Executive Officer of LoanWorks Inc., bringing over 30 years of leadership experience across operations, technology, finance, sales, and marketing. Prior to LoanWorks, he held leadership positions at Wells Fargo Home Mortgage, MetLife Investors, USAtalks.com, and Global House. He holds degrees from the University of Florida, Babson College, and Université de Lausanne, and completed an Executive program in Innovation Strategy with Artificial Intelligence at Harvard Business School. He was a finalist for CEO of the Year 2023 and actively supports industry associations and Habitat for Humanity. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc. is acting as the Lender and offers financing to qualified borrowers. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc. is not affiliated with any third parties mentioned above. The names are owned by their respective third parties. Fox News, Yahoo!, Bloomberg, MetLife, and CNBC are registered trademarks of their respective owners.

    When Ai becomes the Mortgage Company
  4. Jun 24

    How a Team of the Greatest Engineers Are Built

    In this episode of The Pavan Perspective, Jennifer Vallinayagam and David Lykken explore how AngelAi® is transforming the mortgage industry. They break down how decades of engineering, real mortgage data, and system design have led to AngelAi’s revolutionary solutions. From automating loan origination to blockchain-enabled data security and digital twin technology, this conversation reveals how Ai is not just assisting lending—it is redefining it. We also uncover the importance of ownership-driven engineering culture and why simplicity in user experience hides extreme backend complexity. If you are interested in Ai in mortgage lending, fintech innovation, AGI, blockchain, and the future of financial services, this episode is a must-watch.Speaker InformationPavan AgarwalFounder/CEO of Celligence LLC, Creator of AngelAiCEO of Sun West Mortgage, nmls 3277Pavan Agarwal is the Chief Executive Officer of Sun West, one of the largest independent, privately owned mortgage companies based in the U.S. He is also the founder of Celligence LLC, which harnesses the best of Artificial Intelligence and Empathetic Technology to make mortgages simple and accessible to everyone. Pavan is a major proponent of Fair Lending and using technology to create homeownership opportunities for underserved markets. He loves to bring innovation into the mortgage industry and seamlessly integrate business units, products, and disparate goals into a single architecture to achieve success. Pavan's exceptional achievements have garnered recognition from prestigious media outlets, including Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg. He's also been nominated for a national philanthropy award for his work with The Autism Community in Action (TACA).Jennifer Vallinayagam Chief Operating Officer at Sun WestJennifer Vallinayagam, as the Chief Operating Officer (COO) of Sun West, has a remarkable background in software engineering and computer programming. She joined Sun West in 1999 and played a pivotal role in the development of the Mortgage Loan Origination System, now known as SunSoft®/SMILES. This software has been crucial to Sun West's origination and servicing operations and continues to be a cornerstone of their processes. Jennifer's dedication, hard work, and strategic mindset led to her appointment as COO.Her outstanding contributions have been recognized through prestigious accolades, including being named a '2023 Woman of Influence' by HousingWire, a '2023 Mortgage Lending Woman of Inspiration' by National Mortgage Professional, and receiving a Globee® Women in Business Award. Jennifer Vallinayagam's innovative spirit and leadership have not only shaped Sun West's technological landscape but have also positioned her as a prominent figure in the mortgage industry.David LykkenFounder and Chief Transformation Officer | Executive Coach and Business Strategy Consultant | Transformational Mortgage Solutions, LLCDavid Lykken is a seasoned mortgage industry expert with over four decades of experience. As a former owner-operator of three mortgage banking companies, a software firm, and several leading consulting businesses, David has a proven track record of driving growth through consulting, executive coaching, and strategic communications. He specializes in working with C-level executives and business owners to develop business strategies, enhance sales and marketing efforts, and streamline operations for greater efficiency and profitability. David is a regular guest on FOX Business News and CNBC and hosts the popular weekly podcast, "Lykken on Lending," which attracts thousands of mortgage professionals nationwide. He also produces the daily market commentary, "Today’s Mortgage Minute," which reaches millions of viewers through various media outlets. In addition, David is a prolific writer, contributing articles to leading industry publications on a regular basis.

    How a Team of the Greatest Engineers Are Built
  5. Jun 17

    The Credit Score Shake-Up

    In this episode of The Pavan Perspective, Pavan Agarwal welcomes Micah Smith, credit expert and founder of Micah Abigail LLC, for a timely discussion on the future of credit, mortgage lending, and financial literacy. Together, they explore how modern credit scoring may influence mortgage readiness, why rent and utility payment history matter, and how Ai-powered tools are transforming credit repair and borrower support. This powerful conversation is designed for homebuyers, Realtors®, Loan Officers, Brokers, Entrepreneurs, and anyone interested in credit score optimization. Speaker Information Pavan Agarwal CEO of Sun West and Creator of AngelAi Pavan Agarwal is the Chief Executive Officer of Sun West, one of the largest independent, privately owned mortgage companies based in the U.S. He is also the founder of Celligence, which harnesses the best of Artificial Intelligence and Emphatic Technology to make mortgages simple and accessible to everyone. Pavan is a major proponent of Fair Lending and using technology to create homeownership opportunities for underserved markets. He loves to bring innovation into the mortgage industry and seamlessly integrate business units, products, and disparate goals into a single architecture to achieve success. Pavan's exceptional achievements have garnered recognition from prestigious media outlets, including Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg. He's also been nominated for a national philanthropy award for his work with The Autism Community in Action (TACA). Micah Smith President and Founder at Micah Abigail LLC Micah Smith is the Founder and CEO of Micah Abigail LLC, a mortgage-focused credit restoration firm based in Fishkill, NY. With 12+ years of experience and a 100% referral-based practice, Micah works exclusively with Loan Officers and real estate professionals nationwide to get their declined and not-yet-ready clients across the finish line — and back to the closing table. A Fox Business featured credit expert, keynote speaker, and host of the Rebuild & Rise podcast, Micah has built a reputation as one of the most trusted voices in mortgage credit strategy. She has been teaching VantageScore 4.0 and the future of mortgage scoring since 2022 — before most of the industry was paying attention. Their clients don't just improve their scores. They close. Realtors, Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg are registered trademarks of National Association of Realtors, Fox Media LLC, Yahoo Inc., and Bloomberg Finance One, respectively. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc. is acting as the Lender and offers financing to qualified borrowers. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc is not affiliated with any third parties mentioned above. The names are owned by the respective third parties.

    The Credit Score Shake-Up
  6. Jun 10

    The Rise of Self-Driving Mortgages

    In this episode of The Pavan Perspective, Pavan Agarwal and David Lykken explore the next major evolution in artificial intelligence, fintech, and mortgage technology. From agentic Ai and autonomous lending to blockchain, stablecoins, home equity, and financial inclusion, this conversation takes a deep look at how AngelAi® is helping redefine what reliable Ai can do in high-stakes financial transactions. Pavan shares insights on why businesses need Ai solutions that go beyond chatbots, how autonomous workflows can transform lending, and why the future of finance may depend on trusted, scalable, and transaction-ready Ai. Watch this episode to understand how Ai, blockchain, and digital banking could reshape the mortgage industry, expand access to credit, and unlock new possibilities for consumers and businesses worldwide. Speaker Information Pavan Agarwal CEO of Sun West and Creator of AngelAi Pavan Agarwal is the Chief Executive Officer of Sun West, one of the largest independent, privately owned mortgage companies based in the U.S. He is also the founder of Celligence, which harnesses the best of Artificial Intelligence and Emphatic Technology to make mortgages simple and accessible to everyone. Pavan is a major proponent of Fair Lending and using technology to create homeownership opportunities for underserved markets. He loves to bring innovation into the mortgage industry and seamlessly integrate business units, products, and disparate goals into a single architecture to achieve success. Pavan's exceptional achievements have garnered recognition from prestigious media outlets, including Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg. He's also been nominated for a national philanthropy award for his work with The Autism Community in Action (TACA). David Lykken Founder and Chief Transformation Officer | Executive Coach and Business Strategy Consultant Transformational Mortgage Solutions, LLC David Lykken is a seasoned mortgage industry expert with over four decades of experience. As a former owner-operator of three mortgage banking companies, a software firm, and several leading consulting businesses, David has a proven track record of driving growth through consulting, executive coaching, and strategic communications. He specializes in working with C-level executives and business owners to develop business strategies, enhance sales and marketing efforts, and streamline operations for greater efficiency and profitability. David is a regular guest on FOX Business News and CNBC and hosts the popular weekly podcast, "Lykken on Lending," which attracts thousands of mortgage professionals nationwide. He also produces the daily market commentary, "Today’s Mortgage Minute," which reaches millions of viewers through various media outlets. In addition, David is a prolific writer, contributing articles to leading industry publications on a regular basis. Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg are registered trademarks of Fox Media LLC, Yahoo Inc., and Bloomberg Finance One, respectively. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc. is acting as the Lender and offers financing to qualified borrowers. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc is not affiliated with any third parties mentioned above. The names are owned by the respective third parties.

    The Rise of Self-Driving Mortgages
  7. Jun 3

    Angel Income: Ai-Powered, Warranted Income Analysis In Minutes

    In this episode of The Pavan Perspective, Pavan Agarwal, Angel Sumlin, and Andrew Berman explore how Ai is revolutionizing the mortgage industry by reducing deal fallout and automating income calculations. The discussion dives into how AngelAi is helping loan officers close loans quicker, improve borrower experiences, support self-employed and gig economy clients, and transform the future of mortgage lending through Ai-powered automation, blockchain security, and instant loan analysis.Speaker InformationPavan AgarwalCEO of Sun West and Creator of AngelAiPavan Agarwal is the Chief Executive Officer of Sun West, one of the largest independent, privately owned mortgage companies based in the U.S. He is also the founder of Celligence, which harnesses the best of Artificial Intelligence and Emphatic Technology to make mortgages simple and accessible to everyone. Pavan is a major proponent of Fair Lending and using technology to create homeownership opportunities for underserved markets. He loves to bring innovation into the mortgage industry and seamlessly integrate business units, products, and disparate goals into a single architecture to achieve success. Pavan's exceptional achievements have garnered recognition from prestigious media outlets, including Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg. He's also been nominated for a national philanthropy award for his work with The Autism Community in Action (TACA).Angel SumlinManaging Director of Organizational Development at Sun WestAs the Managing Director of Organizational Development at Sun West, Angel leads and supports the assessment of organizational needs as well as the creation, implementation, and evaluation of programs that assist the company's employees in their continuing career advancement. She also serves as a liaison and an advisor to the organization's leadership, facilitating initiatives across the board. Angel's foundational expertise is in Learning and Development, with demonstrated success in the financial services industry. She has a Master of Business Administration degree from the University of La Verne, California, and is a Certified Professional in Talent Development (CPTD), skilled in coaching, sales, communications, instructional design, team development, and project management.Andrew BermanCEO, National Mortgage ProfessionalAndrew Berman is a leading force in the media landscape. As the CEO at National Mortgage Professional (NMP), he helps share real-world success stories and actionable strategies that move the needle and deliver insight through newsletters, podcasts, webinars, and video. He also hosts events that spark meaningful connections and partnerships, offer targeted marketing services to help NMP’s partners reach the right audience, and provides compliance-focused content to help professionals stay protected and informed.Fox News, Yahoo!, Bloomberg, and USA Today are registered trademarks of Fox Media LLC, Yahoo Inc., Bloomberg Finance One L.P., and Gannett Satellite Information Network, LLC, respectively.Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc. is acting as the Lender and offers financing to qualified borrowers. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc is not affiliated with any third parties mentioned above. The names are owned by the respective third parties.

    Angel Income: Ai-Powered, Warranted Income Analysis In Minutes
  8. May 27

    Ai That Eliminates Income-Related Deal Fallout

    In this episode of The Pavan Perspective, Pavan Agarwal, Angel Sumlin, and Nathan S. Pierce discuss why more real estate deals are falling apart before closing and how evolving income structures are creating new challenges in mortgage approvals. From self-employed borrowers and side hustles to commission and multi-income households, the conversation explores why traditional underwriting struggles to keep up. The episode also highlights how Ai-driven income analysis can help Realtors® and loan officers reduce deal fallout, speed up approvals, and create more certainty throughout the homebuying process. Tune in for practical insights on the future of mortgage qualification.- - - Speaker InformationPavan AgarwalCEO of Sun West and Creator of AngelAiPavan Agarwal is the Chief Executive Officer of Sun West, one of the largest independent, privately owned mortgage companies based in the U.S. He is also the founder of Celligence, which harnesses the best of Artificial Intelligence and Emphatic Technology to make mortgages simple and accessible to everyone. Pavan is a major proponent of Fair Lending and using technology to create homeownership opportunities for underserved markets. He loves to bring innovation into the mortgage industry and seamlessly integrate business units, products, and disparate goals into a single architecture to achieve success. Pavan's exceptional achievements have garnered recognition from prestigious media outlets, including Fox News, Yahoo!, and Bloomberg. He's also been nominated for a national philanthropy award for his work with The Autism Community in Action (TACA).Angel SumlinManaging Director of Organizational Development at Sun WestAs the Managing Director of Organizational Development at Sun West, Angel leads and supports the assessment of organizational needs as well as the creation, implementation, and evaluation of programs that assist the company's employees in their continuing career advancement. She also serves as a liaison and an advisor to the organization's leadership, facilitating initiatives across the board. Angel's foundational expertise is in Learning and Development, with demonstrated success in the financial services industry. She has a Master of Business Administration degree from the University of La Verne, California, and is a Certified Professional in Talent Development (CPTD), skilled in coaching, sales, communications, instructional design, team development, and project management.Nathan S. PiercePresident and Certified Residential Mortgage Specialist Advanced Funding Home Mortgage Loans. A Utah Corporation | NMLS 13287Nathan S. Pierce is a Utah-based mortgage professional and Certified Residential Mortgage Specialist (CRMS) with more than three decades of experience in home lending and banking. He began his career in the mortgage industry in 1991 and founded Advanced Funding Home Mortgage Loans in Salt Lake City in 1994, where he continues to provide tailored financing solutions for homebuyers and homeowners.Throughout his career, Nathan has guided thousands of borrowers through the home-loan process, specializing in residential mortgage financing and client education. He is known for his clear, client-focused approach and his ability to simplify complex lending decisions.Nathan has also been actively involved in the mortgage industry community, including participation in the National Association of Mortgage Professionals (NAMB) and the Utah Association of Mortgage Professionals, supporting professional development and ethical lending standards. His long-standing career reflects a commitment to integrity, service, and helping families achieve sustainable homeownership.Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc. is acting as the Lender and offers financing to qualified borrowers. Sun West Mortgage Company, Inc is not affiliated with any third parties mentioned above. The names are owned by the respective third parties.AngelAi®, Realtors, Fox News, Yahoo!

    Ai That Eliminates Income-Related Deal Fallout

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Listen as Celligence CEO Pavan Agarwal, a leader in multiple industries from mortgage banking to artificial intelligence, interviews other business leaders and shares his insights and advice for budding entrepreneurs beginning their journey.