The Pennock Knockdown

Pennock Agency

"The Pennock Knockdown" is your insider’s guide to breaking through the noise in beauty, skincare, and fashion marketing. Join us each week as we tackle the latest industry trends, reveal the secrets to successful brand growth, and share tips from the experts who are redefining the market. Whether you're a brand builder or simply beauty-obsessed, tune in to stay ahead in this ever-evolving landscape.

  1. FEB 4

    Ep. 41 Beyond the Click: Navigating Andromeda and Mobile UX with Ivan Janku of Digital Rocket Ads

    In this episode of The Pennock Knockdown, Nikki sits down with Ivan, Founder of Digital Rocket Ads (digitalrocketads.com), to dissect the shifting landscape of performance marketing. Ivan shares his journey from a frustrated fitness coach seeing his budget wasted on "vanity likes" to building a full-service agency that bridges the gap between creative, tracking, and technical site performance. Together, they dive deep into the reality of Meta’s Andromeda algorithm, the critical necessity of mobile-first optimization, and why the "all-in-one" agency model is becoming the only way for small-to-medium businesses to compete in an increasingly expensive market. The industry is buzzing about Meta’s Andromeda, but as Ivan points out, many brands are treating it like a magic wand rather than a high-powered tool. He debunks the misconception that you can simply "set and forget" these campaigns with basic creative. The Creative Trap: Andromeda requires variation. Running a single white-background product image through an AI-driven campaign is a recipe for a "crash and burn" scenario. The Data Foundation: Without high-quality server-side tracking (like Stape or Blot Out), the algorithm is essentially flying blind. Ivan explains how improving your match rate is the "homework" every brand needs to complete before they try to scale. One of the most common—and easily fixable—bottlenecks in e-commerce today is the disconnect between how a CEO views their site and how a customer experiences it. The "Laptop" Perspective: Many executives over 40 exclusively browse their own sites on desktops, while 75% of their paid traffic is arriving via mobile. The Friction Point: Ivan describes horror stories of glitched menus and uncompressed images that kill conversion rates. If you haven't tried to actually purchase a product on your own site via a mobile device lately, you’re likely leaving money on the table. Where is the ship heading? Ivan and Nikki discuss the potential for a technological shift that could rival the invention of the smartphone. The Quest for VR: While current headsets are bulky or overpriced, Ivan predicts an "Apple Moment" where a $1,000 price point for high-performance goggles could move marketing into an entirely new dimension. The Platform War: With TikTok offering superior support and creative inspiration compared to Meta’s "monopolistic" approach, the next two years will be a battle for advertiser loyalty through better AI transparency and manual support. 00:00 The Origin Story: How a bad experience with "boosted posts" led Ivan to found Digital Rocket Ads. 01:34 The Upwork Grind: Ivan’s journey from European freelancer to managing US-based accounts. 02:37 The Full-Service Shift: Why "just running ads" isn't enough anymore without creative and email support. 03:28 2026 Outlook: Doubling down on internal ads and training the next generation of marketers in Eastern Europe. 04:43 Andromeda Real Talk: Why Meta's new algorithm is a "bulldozer" that can cause damage if you don't know how to use it. 06:04 The Tracking Revolution: Using supplementary data partners like Blot Out to increase pixel match rates. 07:16 Audience Segmentation: Why treating new and returning customers the same way "machine guns" your budget. 09:16 The Mobile Experience Gap: Why CEOs need to stop looking at their websites on laptops. 11:19 The Future of SEO/GEO: How brands are getting found through GPT and AI search models. 13:10 AI Risks: Why Ivan is staying cautious about giving AI models access to "hard drive" level data. 14:41 Support Wars: Why TikTok’s advertiser support is currently beating Meta 10-to-1. 15:59 The Next "iPhone Moment": Will VR goggles become the primary way we shop by 2028? 16:44 The Digital Audit: How Digital Rocket Ads identifies "small inefficiencies" that prevent scaling. Guest: Ivan JankuAgency: Digital Rocket Ads

    18 min
  2. JAN 28

    Ep. 40 Search Everywhere Optimization (SEO) in the AI Era with Wes Towers

    In this episode of the Pennock Knockdown, host Nikki invites Wes Towers, the founder and director of Uplift 360 (uplift360.com.au), to discuss the rapidly shifting landscape of web development and search. As AI fundamentally changes how consumers find information, Wes shares his insights on why "Search Everywhere Optimization" is the new standard for brands looking to stay relevant. From the philosophy of mobile-first design to the technicalities of fueling AI models with high-quality website content, this conversation serves as a roadmap for businesses navigating the transition from traditional Google searches to conversational AI interactions. Wes emphasizes the importance of human-centric messaging, unique brand voices, and the enduring value of "old school" PR in a digital-first world. 00:00 – Introduction to Uplift 360Nikki introduces Wes Towers and discusses his background in Australia. Wes explains the core services of Uplift 360: web design, development, and what he calls "Search Everywhere Optimization." 01:46 – The Evolution of Digital MarketingWes reflects on his start in the 90s, building his first website when agencies didn't even know how to sell them. He discusses how the industry has shifted from brochure design to technical, AI-driven strategies. 04:19 – Mobile-First PhilosophyA deep dive into why mobile optimization isn't just about screen size—it’s about simplifying the brand message. Wes explains how a clean mobile design naturally translates into a high-performing desktop experience. 07:08 – Website Architecture for AIWes debunks the idea of linear website navigation. He explains how to structure your site so that AI platforms (like ChatGPT or Perplexity) can easily "scrape" and learn from your content to answer user queries. 10:17 – Content Strategy: Quality vs. AI-Generated FluffThe pitfalls of relying solely on AI for blog posts. Wes discusses how to use AI to maintain a consistent brand voice while ensuring the core ideas remain uniquely human and valuable. 13:57 – E-commerce and Product VisibilityStrategies for product-based businesses. Wes discusses the balance between optimizing product description pages (PDPs) and creating informational articles that capture top-of-funnel conversational searches. 16:44 – Technical SEO & Schema MarkupThe current state of schema markup and FAQs. Wes explains why "sexy" short-term hacks are being dialed back by Google in favor of authoritative, human-first content. 18:41 – The Power of Third-Party AuthorityWhy appearing on podcasts and collaborative blogs is the modern version of PR. Wes explains how mentions on reputable third-party sites build the "brand authority" that AI search engines look for. 20:07 – The Future of AI Search ProductsPredictions for 2026. Wes discusses the dominance of ChatGPT and why businesses should focus on being "discoverable" across all conversational platforms rather than just tracking clicks. 21:37 – Closing Remarks & ResourcesWes shares where to find more insights at Uplift 360 and connects the dots on why human connection remains the most important metric in marketing. The traditional SEO playbook—keyword stuffing and backlink farming—is becoming secondary to a more holistic approach. Wes explains that "Search Everywhere Optimization" recognizes that users aren't just using Google. They are asking Alexa, chatting with GPT-4, and scrolling through Reddit for "real" human answers. To win in this environment, a brand’s website must act as a structured database of expertise that AI can easily digest. Nikki and Wes conclude that while AI tools can help with the volume of content, they cannot replace the soul of a brand. The most successful digital marketing strategies in 2026 will be those that use AI to handle the "systemized logical" side of writing while keeping the "unique message" firmly rooted in human experience. Guest: Wes Towers Agency: Uplift 360

    22 min
  3. JAN 21

    Ep. 39 The Future of Search: Mastering AEO and "Sightless SEO" with Michael Buckbee

    Is traditional SEO dying, or is it just moving behind the scenes? As AI-driven search engines like ChatGPT, Claude, and Google’s Gemini start answering consumer questions directly, the "click to website" model is being fundamentally disrupted. In this episode of The Pennock Knockdown, Nikki sits down with Michael Buckbee, founder of Knowatoa (https://knowatoa.com), to explore the brave new world of AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) and GEO (Generative Engine Optimization). Michael is a seasoned demand gen leader turned SaaS founder who built a "secret weapon" for brands to track how they are being represented across the AI landscape—from TikTok and Instagram’s exposure in search results to the real-time "deep research" modes of modern LLMs. Together, Nikki and Michael discuss why the largest AI player on the planet is still Google and how their transition to "AI Overviews" is rewriting the contract between brands and the open web. One of the most provocative concepts Michael introduces is "Sightless SEO"—a scenario where a consumer makes a purchasing decision without ever visiting a brand's website. Michael shares how OpenAI’s relationship with Shopify and Amazon’s AI assistant, Rufus, allow users to ask complex questions like, "What is the best foundation for sensitive skin with a warm undertone?" and receive a direct product recommendation. If your brand isn’t "fed" into the model correctly, you don’t just rank lower—you don’t exist in that conversation at all. The era of obsessing over 81-character meta descriptions is fading. Michael argues that AI search is turning SEO back into a brand marketing role. He explains that most "AI hallucinations"—where a chatbot says something incorrect about a company—are actually just "knowledge gaps." Instead of technical fixes, these require creative content strategies. By writing articles that address specific brand values or testing protocols, marketers can provide the "voracious" AI models with the data they need to represent the brand accurately. How do you measure success when traffic is down but intent is high? Michael introduces the BISCUIT framework, a strategy designed to help marketers focus on: Bots: Ensuring AI crawlers aren't blocked by technical hurdles. Indexing: Establishing your brand as a clear entity. Sentiment: Shaping how AI perceives your reputation. Competitive Ranking: Tracking recommendations against rivals. Unique Data: Distributing content to high-authority platforms. Intelligence: Proving value through AI visibility metrics. Truthfulness: Eliminating hallucinations via accurate data. In the world of AI SEO, mentions on social media and third-party reviews often carry more weight than your homepage, as AI models use these as "citations" to verify your authority. Michael predicts that Google is moving toward a model where web search is no longer a free utility but a pay-to-play ecosystem. To survive, brands must focus on building a "Capital B" Brand—a distinct niche identity that creates a competitive advantage across social, search, and AI. If you aren't a recognizable authority in your niche, the next decade of digital marketing will be an uphill battle. In this episode, we cover: 00:00 Intro & Origin Story: Michael’s transition to AI search. 01:55 The Google Factor: Why Gemini and AIOs are the biggest shift in decades. 04:28 Sightless SEO: How Shopify and Amazon Rufus are changing the journey. 07:53 The BISCUIT Framework: Shifting from traffic to AI citations. 10:57 Fixing Hallucinations: Filling knowledge gaps for AI. 15:21 The Schema Myth: Why "talking to a toddler" beats complex coding. 19:41 The Wells Fargo Example: How AI aggregates brand reputation. 23:18 "Capital B" Branding: Why niche authority is your only defense. Guest: Michael Buckbee Ready to scale your DTC Beauty or Lifestyle Brand in the age of AI? For more insights or to inquire about our Paid Media services, visit pennock.co.

    25 min
  4. Ep. 38 Influencer Strategy 101: From Gifting to Whitelisting with Maggie Dwyer

    JAN 14

    Ep. 38 Influencer Strategy 101: From Gifting to Whitelisting with Maggie Dwyer

    Is influencer marketing just expensive gifting, or is it a scalable revenue channel? In this episode of The Pennock Knockdown, Nikki sits down with Maggie Dwyer, founder of CO-ANU, to dismantle the common myths of the creator economy. They move beyond vanity metrics to break down the exact operational mechanics of a profitable influencer division. The "Gifting" Myth & Managing Expectations One of the biggest friction points in the industry today is the disconnect between brand expectations and creator reality. Maggie discusses the "education gap" she faces with new clients who assume sending a PR package guarantees a review. She explains why "gifting" is a valid strategy for relationship building but a poor strategy for guaranteed awareness. If you want control over the narrative, the timeline, and the deliverables, you have to move from a "hope strategy" to a "paid collaboration" model. Not every brand has a charismatic founder ready to hop on TikTok and tell their story. So, what do you do if your brand is more corporate or legacy? Maggie highlights her work with Ghost Fragrances, a brand that successfully utilized creators to pivot their messaging during a "restage" and vegan reformulation. She explains how influencers can act as the "face" and voice of the brand, lending credibility and human connection to products that might otherwise feel distant or purely commercial. Perhaps the most tactical takeaway from this episode is the discussion on budgeting. How small is "too small"? Maggie argues that while you can work with 50K budgets, the real magic happens when Influencer Marketing and Paid Media are not siloed. She breaks down her ideal split for emerging brands: 40% of the budget goes to the creators (production/fees), and 60% goes to Paid Media. This allows the agency to take that high-performing creator content and "whitelist" it (run ads directly from the creator’s handle). This "Spark Ad" approach often outperforms brand-led ads because it feels native to the feed, leveraging the trust the creator has already built with their audience. If you are planning a holiday launch in November, when should you start briefing creators? Maggie’s answer: Three months prior, minimum. She distinguishes between two core strategies brands need to master: Always-On: This is your volume play. Daily posts on TikTok and Instagram to keep the algorithm fed and maintain "share of voice." Campaign Spikes: These are strategic, high-budget moments (like a new product drop) that require deeper storytelling and perhaps celebrity or top-tier macro-influencers. Storytelling for "Faceless" BrandsThe 60/40 Budget Rule: Organic vs. PaidTimelines & The "Always-On" Engine Key Takeaways: The 60/40 Rule: Don't blow your whole budget on fees. Maggie recommends a split of 40% for Creator Fees and 60% for Paid Media to scale the content via whitelisting. Timelines: Effective campaigns require a 3-month runway. If you want Q4 results, briefing starts in August. Whitelisting: The highest ROI comes from running ads through the creator’s handle (Spark Ads), not just the brand's profile. The "Faceless" Pivot: How legacy brands without a founder-story can use creators to humanize their messaging. In this episode, we cover: 00:00 Intro & Maggie’s background at Fable & Mane 02:30 Gifting vs. Paid Collaborations: Where to start 03:48 Why an agency "Rolodex" beats cold outreach 05:21 "Always On" vs. Seasonal Campaign spikes 06:43 Building long-term Brand Ambassadors 10:45 The 3-Month Planning Rule 11:26 Budgeting: The 60/40 Split (Paid vs. Organic) 12:42 Whitelisting Strategy 101 14:01 Tracking success without DTC data Guest: Maggie DwyerAgency: CO-ANU Scale your DTC Brand:For more insights on paid media and growth strategy, visit pennock.co.

    16 min
  5. Ep. 37 Scaling Shopify Stores to $1M+ with Zahid from Conzia

    12/09/2025

    Ep. 37 Scaling Shopify Stores to $1M+ with Zahid from Conzia

    Nikki sits down with Zahid, CEO of Conzia an eCommerce agency helping Shopify brands scale from their first $10K months to $1M+ in revenue. Zahid’s background is rooted in cloud computing, where he managed large enterprise accounts before burning out and leaving the corporate world entirely. His leap into entrepreneurship began with Amazon FBA, where he struggled for a year before a single product breakthrough changed everything. That win led him to build multiple brands, a software company, and ultimately Conzia, a 30-person global agency with operations across Miami, Berlin, and Asia. With experience launching thousands of SKUs and serving over 1,000 Shopify stores, Zahid brings deep operational, sourcing, and scaling expertise. In the episode, Nikki and Zahid break down how Conzia works with early-stage brands generating $10K–$20K per month and transforms them into highly optimized, profitable operations. Zahid explains how his agency assigns a dedicated team—design, sourcing, marketing, operations—to completely rebuild the brand’s foundation, from Shopify redesigns to sourcing strategies to Meta ad scaling. He emphasizes that most solo store owners lack the design quality, supply chain knowledge, and daily operational consistency required to hit volume, which is where Conzia steps in as a full-service engine. The conversation also dives into when founders should stay part-time, when they should go all-in, and how Conzia transitions brands from drop shipping to private label once they’ve proven demand. Zahid explains the tipping point—usually around $50K–$100K/month—where founders begin hiring on their side while Conzia shifts into a strategic oversight role. He also unpacks how Amazon FBA fits into a multi-channel expansion plan and why most brands underestimate the complexity of managing both ad ecosystems and global supply chains simultaneously. Later, the two explore the 2025 product-trend landscape. Zahid lays out why drop shipping is a strong entry point but warns that 70–80% of new Shopify stores die within months due to poor product selection and weak branding. He outlines the categories he believes will stay evergreen—pet products, home and kitchen gadgets, small beauty accessories, and low-risk personal-care tools. Most importantly, he stresses that AI is the biggest leverage point for today's solo operators: AI-assisted content, creative, product research, and ads dramatically reduce the need for large teams and enable beginners to reach $10K–$20K/month before ever needing an agency. The episode closes with practical advice for anyone wanting passive income or looking to validate a new brand idea: start lightweight, test relentlessly, avoid regulated categories like cosmetics and supplements, and let data—not emotion—drive your product decisions. It’s a masterclass in modern DTC operations from someone who’s built the systems, the teams, and the case studies to prove it.Key Takeaways Most brands fail due to poor product quality, weak creative, and lack of consistent daily operations. Drop shipping is ideal for testing before investing $20K–$30K into private label inventory. Evergreen niches like pets, home/kitchen, and small accessories remain the safest starting points. AI is now the biggest advantage for solo eCommerce founders—content, research, ads, and creative can all be accelerated. Scaling from $10K to $100K+ requires strong design, supply-chain control, and expert ad management. Private label becomes necessary for long-term brand durability and margins. Timestamps 01:27 — How Conzias scale brands from $10K/mo to $1M+04:48 — When founders should go full-time07:39 — Service models: full-service vs. à la carte08:12 — Working with pre-revenue brands10:16 — Zahid’s corporate background15:17 — Building teams, offices, and global systems15:26 — Inbound, outbound & community-driven growth17:31 — Trends in product categories & business models24:30 — Final advice on passive income & product testing

    27 min
  6. Ep. 36 Carol Shih, Founder of Qodespace: Mastering Mobile UX, ADA Compliance, and Data-Driven CRO

    11/24/2025

    Ep. 36 Carol Shih, Founder of Qodespace: Mastering Mobile UX, ADA Compliance, and Data-Driven CRO

    Welcome to The Pennock Knockdown! In this episode, host Nikki sits down with Carol Shih, the Founder of Qodespace, to dig deep into the essential elements of successful e-commerce development and Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) in 2025. Carol is a seasoned e-commerce veteran with nearly 20 years of experience, ranging from digital agencies to cross-border giant Alibaba. Now leading Qodespace, a minority and woman-owned boutique agency, she specializes in Shopify development for fashion and beauty brands. Carol joins Nikki to share fresh insights on why "best practices" are often wrong, the evolving role of mobile-first design, and how to leverage analytics to uncover user behaviors that contradict a founder’s intuition. Together, they discuss the "shocking" reality of the current beauty market: the rise of Gen Alpha. Carol and Nikki dissect the data behind 14-year-olds driving skincare trends, the complexity of mothers buying for daughters, and the ethical and tactical dilemmas brands face when their actual customer demographic doesn't match their target persona. The conversation moves into the technical weeds of CRO. Carol explains why many prestige brands are failing on mobile by designing for 75-inch desktop screens. She breaks down the critical difference between mobile web (acquisition) and native apps (retention/loyalty), and why subscription-heavy brands need to push customers to the latter. Finally, Carol issues a stern warning about "Website Icks"—specifically the legal dangers of ignoring ADA compliance. She reveals how lawyers are actively targeting high-revenue DTC sites for accessibility violations like small font sizes and poor contrast. Whether you are a founder, a marketer, or a developer, this episode is packed with actionable advice on protecting your brand and optimizing your funnel. Key Topics Discussed: Data vs. Founder Intuition: Why you need to audit your Google Analytics before redesigning your PDPs. The Gen Alpha Skincare Phenomenon: How to handle the shift in demographics when teenagers start buying anti-aging products. Mobile-First Reality Check: Why "chic" small fonts and text-on-images are killing your SEO and conversion rates. The ADA Compliance Trap: The specific legal risks facing 7-8 figure brands and how to avoid getting sued for accessibility issues. Native Apps vs. Mobile Web: When to invest in a dedicated app to drive LTV and loyalty. Career Growth: Carol’s three-question framework for evaluating your professional path. Timestamps: 00:37 Who is Qodespace? 04:37 Carol’s Beauty Favorites (Korean Sunscreen & Patches) 06:50 Beauty Trends: Why Data Beats Assumptions 09:33 The Gen Alpha Skincare Paradox 13:25 Mobile UX vs. Dedicated Apps for Loyalty 16:03 The Verdict on Virtual Try-On Technology 17:09 SEO Implications of Site Redesigns 18:33 Website "Icks": Text on Images & Tiny Fonts 19:53 The Legal Risk of Ignoring ADA Compliance 22:34 3 Questions for Career Growth 24:28 How to Connect with Carol Links: Visit Pennock’s website: https://www.pennock.co/ Connect with Carol: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolshih/ Check out Qodespace: https://qodespace.com/

    26 min
  7. Ep. 35 The 'Speed as King' Model for DTC Email & SMS with Nikita Vakrushev

    11/17/2025

    Ep. 35 The 'Speed as King' Model for DTC Email & SMS with Nikita Vakrushev

    In this episode of The Pennock Knockdown, host Nikki Pennock sits down with Nikita Vakrushev, founder and CEO of the e-commerce email and SMS agency, Aspect. A former DTC brand owner himself, Nikita shares his agency's evolution from a "jill of all trades" full-service shop to a specialized firm focused exclusively on email and SMS after facing burnout in 2021. The core of their discussion is Aspect's unique operational model, built on Nikita's core principle: "Speed as King". He critiques the traditional agency structure (separating copywriters, designers, and setup) as inefficient. Instead, Aspect's designers are trained to also write copy and handle the technical setup in Klaviyo. This allows one person to execute an entire email at once, cutting revision times from weeks to just 1-2 days. Nikita also dives deep into SMS strategy. He shares a critical insight: SMS performance is closely tied to Average Order Value (AOV). He finds it's ineffective for high-AOV products (over $150-$200), but shines for lower-AOV "impulse purchases". He advises using SMS strategically for automations and high-stakes sales periods (like BFCM), not for high-frequency sends, which become too expensive. Finally, Nikita shares his top three "icks"—the most common and cringeworthy mistakes he sees brands make: The One-Step Popup: Asking for name, email, and phone all at once, which tanks conversion rates. Burying the Offer: Hiding the CTA and offer "below the fold" of an email, which 90% of users will never scroll to see. Sending Without Exclusions: Blasting the entire list without excluding bounces, spam reporters, or unengaged users, which destroys deliverability. The discussion wraps with Nikita's stance on why email agencies should own list growth and his key advice to his younger self: stick to one niche and focus on sales. Key Moments & Timestamps: [00:00:39] Guest Origin Story: Nikita shares his journey from working at Pandora Jewelry to launching a print-on-demand store in 2017. [00:01:45] The Generalist Agency & Burnout: Nikita explains how doing everything (Google, Facebook, TikTok, email) led to burnout and the need to specialize. [00:02:45] The Pivot to Email & SMS: Why he chose to focus exclusively on retention marketing for its results and client retention. [00:04:29] "Speed as King": Aspect's Differentiator: Nikita breaks down his core principle and why the traditional agency model is broken. [00:05:40] A New Agency Model: How Aspect combines design, copywriting, and setup into one role to deliver revisions in 1-2 days, not weeks. [00:07:40] The SMS & AOV Connection: An insight into why SMS works best for low AOV ($150) "impulse purchases" and fails for high-AOV "think about it" products. [00:09:22] SMS vs. Email Cadence: Nikita explains why SMS sends should be 1/3 of email sends (or less) and reserved for high-impact moments. [00:11:06] Email Segmentation Strategy: How to send daily emails to large lists without hitting the same subscribers every time. [00:13:00] Email "Ick" #1: The One-Step Popup: Why asking for name, email, and phone all at once is killing your list growth. [00:13:56] Email "Ick" #2: Information Below the Fold: Why your offer, code, and CTA must be above the fold. [00:15:19] Email "Ick" #3: Sending Without Exclusions: The technical mistake that is destroying your domain reputation and deliverability. [00:18:00] Owning List Growth: Nikita argues that email agencies have a responsibility to manage and grow the email list via popups and offers. [00:20:57] Advice to His Younger Self: Stick to one niche and focus on sales more than just "tinkering". [00:22:14] How to Connect: Find Nikita and his agency at AspectAgency.com (A-S-P-E-K-T).

    23 min
  8. Ep. 34 'Breaking the Web' with SEO & AEO for DTC Brands with Jason Berkowitz

    11/09/2025

    Ep. 34 'Breaking the Web' with SEO & AEO for DTC Brands with Jason Berkowitz

    In this episode of The Pennock Knockdown, host Nikki Pennock is joined by Jason Berkowitz, founder and CEO of the SEO agency Break the Web. With over 15 years in SEO, Jason brings a practical perspective to the most turbulent year in search history. Jason shares his origin story, from studying physical therapy to stumbling into SEO by trying to rank for "personal trainer NYC". This led to a freelance career and the 2017 launch of Break the Web—a name conceived after "a little too much whiskey". Jason breaks down his agency's philosophy, built for in-house DTC marketing teams. He aims to make SEO "less annoying, more measurable, [and] accessible" with a 12-month strategic roadmap. The process starts with foundational technical SEO and UX, then moves to keyword research (informational vs. transactional intent), on-page SEO, and finally, off-page digital PR for high-quality backlinks. The conversation pivots to AI's disruption of search. Jason confirms Google's AI Overviews have "taken tons and tons of clicks" from top-of-funnel content. While impressions are up, clicks are down. His strategic response is to focus on mid-bottom-of-the-funnel content. He shares an example of an ultra-high-net-worth client (products start at $100k) for whom they advised against a traditional blog strategy, as their persona "know what they want". If blogging is on shaky ground, where should brands focus? Jason argues that Schema markup is "more powerful... than it's ever been". It powers rich snippets in traditional search (star ratings, price) to increase clicks and provides clean, structured data for AI bots, which "could only help". While hard data on AI impact is "inconclusive," he insists it's essential foundational SEO. How can brands track this new AI landscape? Jason discusses new tools like Profound and SEMrush's AI tracking feature, and reveals his team built their own internal tool to track brand mentions within AI prompts. This leads to a discussion on agency life. Jason defines two types of SEO agencies: those brilliant at SEO but "stink at communication," and those great at communication but "kind of suck on the SEO delivery side". His goal is to "bridge that gap". Finally, Jason shares his top advice for leaders. His productivity hacks: segment your day and be strict with your calendar—"if it's not in your calendar, it doesn't exist". His advice to his 2010 self? Get mentorship earlier and learn to delegate sooner. Key Moments & Timestamps: 00:00:30 Jason's Origin Story: How a physical therapy student and personal trainer discovered a passion for SEO 15 years ago. 00:01:50 The "Break the Web" Rebrand: The whiskey-fueled story behind the agency's name. 00:04:06 A 12-Month SEO Roadmap: Jason details his agency's process, from technical foundations to digital PR and link-building. 00:05:15 The Impact of AI Overviews: How AI is "taking tons and tons of clicks" from top-of-funnel content. 00:06:43 When Not to Write Blog Content: The case of a $100k+ product and why their customers aren't browsing informational queries. 00:07:38 Why Schema Markup is More Powerful Than Ever: Its dual benefit for traditional search (rich snippets) and AEO (AI understanding). 00:09:40 Is AI Killing Your Traffic? Analyzing the split between rising impressions and falling clicks. 00:12:17 How to Start Tracking Your Brand's AI (AEO) Mentions: A look at new tools like SEMrush and building your own. 00:13:29 The Two Types of SEO Agencies: How to bridge the gap between technical expertise and client communication. 00:15:37 There is No "Foolproof Framework" for AEO: Why the best AEO strategy right now is just "great foundational SEO". 00:19:57 Productivity Hacks for Agency Owners: The power of a strict calendar and segmenting your day. 00:23:06 Advice to His 2010 Self: Get a mentor and delegate sooner. 00:24:23 How to Connect: Find Jason and his team at BreakTheWeb.agency.

    25 min

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"The Pennock Knockdown" is your insider’s guide to breaking through the noise in beauty, skincare, and fashion marketing. Join us each week as we tackle the latest industry trends, reveal the secrets to successful brand growth, and share tips from the experts who are redefining the market. Whether you're a brand builder or simply beauty-obsessed, tune in to stay ahead in this ever-evolving landscape.