The Prosperity Podcast

Kim D. H. Butler and Spencer Shaw
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The Prosperity Podcast is where money meets freedom — without Wall Street's limitations or typical financial advice. Hosted by Kim Butler, founder of Prosperity Thinkers, and Spencer Shaw, this podcast delivers straightforward financial strategies to help you build certainty, cash flow, and long-term prosperity.

  1. 5d ago

    Why Smart People Miss Great Opportunities

    Executive Summary In this Prosperity Podcast episode, Kim Butler and Spencer Shaw dig into a question every ambitious person eventually faces: why do smart, capable people still miss great opportunities? Kim doesn't exempt herself, sharing a live example of an opportunity sitting on her own desk that she's already two weeks late on, simply because time got eaten by other priorities. Kim breaks the problem into two forces: time and money. Time is always a function of priorities, and money is rarely about having enough, it's about having it liquid and ready to move. She revisits the idea of an opportunity fund, citing Nelson Nash's famous line that if you're in a position of cash, opportunities will seek you out, and challenges listeners to ask whether their own opportunity fund is actually liquid and leverageable. The conversation then turns to relationships and presence. Kim shares what she learned from recent time spent with tax expert Tom Wheelwright and a room full of entrepreneurs, including the power of proximity, a give first mantra, and why learning to say no quickly is just as valuable as saying yes. She closes with her go-to tool for evaluating whether an opportunity is actually right for a given person: the Kolbe profile. Links & Resources Mentioned Kolbe assessment: https://www.kolbe.com Prosperity Thinkers website: https://prosperitythinkers.com/podcasts/ Contact Kim directly: hello@prosperitythinkers.com Keywords financial freedom, Prosperity Thinkers, opportunity fund, cash flow, wealth preservation, confidence, whole life insurance, financial education, mindset, Nelson Nash, power of proximity, Kolbe profile, give first mantra, liquidity, missed opportunities, recommendation, business networking, traditional financial advice, decision making, franchise opportunities Episode Highlights [00:00:34 - 00:01:00] Kim admits she has personally missed opportunities, including one currently sitting on her own desk.  [00:01:00 - 00:02:00] Kim explains missing an opportunity because of time, which she says is always a function of priorities.  [00:02:00 - 00:02:40] Kim shares Nelson Nash's line: "If you're in a position of cash, opportunities will seek you out." [00:02:40 - 00:03:00] Kim asks listeners whether their own opportunity fund is truly liquid and leverageable. [00:03:00 - 00:04:00] Spencer references Kim's recent time with Tom Wheelwright and a room of 50 entrepreneurs. [00:04:00 - 00:05:00] Kim describes the power of proximity and the importance of being fully present in the room. [00:05:00 - 00:06:00] Kim explains her give first mantra and why going into a room to get rarely works. [00:06:00 - 00:07:00] Spencer and Kim discuss how yeses need to happen fast while no analysis paralysis is allowed. [00:07:00 - 00:08:00] Kim calls "no" a complete sentence and describes using a parking lot for undecided opportunities. [00:08:00 - 00:09:00] Kim shares her habit of taking selfies with new contacts to remember who they are and why. [00:09:00 - 00:10:00] Spencer highlights how selfies help memory and make people feel seen, even in a friendly no. [00:10:00 - 00:12:00] Kim names the Kolbe profile as her go-to tool for helping people determine if an opportunity fits them. [00:12:00 - 00:13:00] Spencer closes the episode and invites listeners to follow the podcast and check out the socials.

    Why Smart People Miss Great Opportunities

  2. Aug 18

    The Freedom Threshold: Redefining Time, Money, and Relationship Freedom

    Executive Summary In this Prosperity Podcast episode, Kim Butler and Spencer Shaw dig into what they call the freedom threshold, the point where a person has enough time freedom, money freedom, and relationship freedom to actually live on their own terms. Kim breaks freedom into two categories, freedom from things we no longer want to carry and freedom to the life we actually want, and explains why so many people can describe what they don't want but struggle to name what they do want. The conversation moves into how these priorities shift across life stages, from earning in your 20s and 30s to keeping in your 40s and 50s to questioning the very idea of retirement later on. Kim challenges the assumption that retirement at 65 still makes sense given today's life expectancies, and she draws a sharp line between financial independence and financial abundance. Kim also lays out the most common financial mistakes she sees at both ends of the income spectrum: low income earners who lock up their cash in retirement plans before they've built an emergency opportunity fund, and high income earners who over-invest without keeping enough liquidity to move when a real opportunity shows up. The episode closes with a reminder that clarity, not just cash flow, is what determines whether someone actually feels free. Links & Resources Mentioned Prosperity Thinkers website: https://prosperitythinkers.com/podcasts/ Contact Kim directly: hello@prosperitythinkers.com Keywords financial freedom, freedom threshold, Prosperity Thinkers, financial independence, financial abundance, time freedom, money freedom, relationship freedom, emergency opportunity fund, cash flow, retirement mindset, wealth preservation, confidence, whole life insurance, financial education, mindset, high income earner mistakes, low income earner mistakes, liquidity, 401k mistakes Episode Highlights [00:00:34 - 00:02:00] Kim splits freedom into freedom from and freedom to, and introduces time, money, and relationship freedom. [00:02:00 - 00:03:00] Spencer asks whether these freedoms shift with age, and Kim says it depends on mindset, not just years.  [00:03:00 - 00:04:00] Kim shares the story of an entrepreneur whose CPA reminded her, "It's just money, you can go earn more."  [00:04:00 - 00:05:00] Kim challenges the idea of retirement at 65, calling it a social construct from the 1930s. [00:05:00 - 00:06:00] Kim notes that "87 is the new 65," yet society remains stuck on outdated age expectations. [00:06:00 - 00:07:00] Spencer shares a story about a 90 year old friend who just bought a factory to launch business incubators. [00:07:00 - 00:08:00] Kim defines financial abundance as having enough to live, give, and serve with both time and money freedom. [00:07:30 - 00:08:00] Kim explains that financial freedom comes from confidence in your ability to earn, not a fixed number. [00:08:00 - 00:09:00] Kim identifies the top mistake of low income earners: maxing out a 401k before building an emergency opportunity fund. [00:09:00 - 00:10:00] Kim explains how an emergency opportunity fund lets people say yes to real estate, business, or franchise opportunities. [00:10:00 - 00:11:00] Kim identifies the top mistake of high income earners: being over-focused on investments without a true opportunity fund. [00:11:00 - 00:12:00] Kim questions whether stock market money is really liquid in practice, even when it's technically liquid. [00:12:00 - 00:13:00] Spencer closes with the standard call to action and invites listeners to email their questions to Kim.

    The Freedom Threshold: Redefining Time, Money, and Relationship Freedom

  3. Aug 11

    Building Wealth Without Predicting the Economy

    Executive Summary Everyone has an opinion about where silver, oil, or the stock market is headed next. In this episode, Kim Butler and Spencer Shaw make the case for stepping out of the prediction game entirely. Kim explains why she refuses to guess at market direction and instead builds her financial plan around centuries-old vehicles that offer certainty, the kind of certainty that lets you sleep at night regardless of what the headlines say. Kim and Spencer walk through the layered foundation she recommends for families at every stage: an emergency fund first, then an opportunity fund built inside a mutual life insurance company, and eventually guaranteed income for life stacked on top of Social Security. Kim shares what she is seeing firsthand with family members in their late 80s: a strong preference for simplicity over complexity, and real relief in having guaranteed income arrive every month like clockwork. The conversation closes on a concept Kim calls the house of both: using a guaranteed opportunity fund to responsibly leverage higher-upside investments like cash flowing real estate, so you get certainty and opportunity rather than choosing between them. Links & Resources Mentioned Prosperity Thinkers Podcast: https://prosperitythinkers.com/podcasts/  Prosperity Parents: http://prosperityparents.com/  Kim D.H. Butler on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KimDHButler  Contact: hello@prosperitythinkers.com Keywords financial freedom, Prosperity Thinkers, predicting the economy, emergency fund, opportunity fund, guaranteed income for life, whole life insurance, mutual life insurance companies, cash flow, financial decision fatigue, retirement income, Social Security income planning, house of both strategy, cash flowing real estate, wealth preservation, mindset, financial education, certainty in finances, prosperity economics, real estate leverage Episode Highlights [00:00:00 - 00:00:56] Spencer opens on why nobody can reliably predict the economy, and Kim explains why she refuses to play that game. [00:00:57 - 00:02:47] Kim on choosing centuries-old certainty over guesswork, and why simplicity matters most in your later years. [00:02:48 - 00:03:59] Spencer asks how financial decision fatigue shows up differently for young families versus retirees. [00:04:00 - 00:04:53] Kim lays out step one: setting a clear emergency fund and checking it off the list. [00:04:54 - 00:06:07] Kim introduces the opportunity fund, stored with mutual life insurance companies like MassMutual and Northwestern Mutual. [00:06:08 - 00:07:11] Kim explains guaranteed income for life as the opposite of life insurance, built to pay no matter how long you live. [00:07:12 - 00:08:14] Spencer raises the pull toward high-upside investments, using a real estate example that gained 200% in twenty years. [00:08:15 - 00:09:16] Kim introduces the house of both: using the opportunity fund to leverage higher-opportunity investments like cash flowing real estate.

    Building Wealth Without Predicting the Economy

  4. Aug 4

    Two Tax Categories Every Business Owner and Real Estate Investor Should Know

    Executive Summary In this episode, Kim Butler and Spencer Shaw continue their conversation on taxes, moving past the W2 versus self-employed comparison to cover two categories they hadn't yet addressed: business ownership and real estate investment. Kim walks through the progression from a simple Schedule C sole proprietorship to an LLC and eventually an S corp or C corp, explaining why any amount of 1099 income opens the door to valuable home office deductions. She then turns to real estate, pointing listeners toward bonus depreciation and cost segregation as free, learnable strategies that pay off well before a CPA ever gets involved. Kim and Spencer also get into the more advanced and higher-risk end of the tax strategy spectrum: oil and gas investments for accredited investors, along with lesser-known credits tied to motion pictures, Native American tribes, and solar. They discuss the Augusta Rule, what it actually takes to qualify as a real estate professional, and why Kim remains cautious about deductions built on real estate losses. The episode closes with a practical look at business entry points, including the role of the Kolbe profile in deciding whether a franchise, a purchased business, or staying W2 is the right fit. Throughout, Kim's message stays consistent: these strategies are valuable, legitimate, and worth learning, but they only work inside a foundation of emergency funds, opportunity funds, and guaranteed, boring money that's absolutely going to be there. Links & Resources Mentioned Prosperity Thinkers: https://prosperitythinkers.com/podcasts/ Prosperity Parents: http://prosperityparents.com/  Kim D. H. Butler on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KimDHButler  Contact: hello@prosperitythinkers.com Keywords financial freedom, Prosperity Thinkers, tax strategy, whole life insurance, cash flow, wealth preservation, mindset, financial education, business deductions, 1099 income, bonus depreciation, cost segregation, real estate professional status, Augusta Rule, accredited investor, oil and gas investing, Kolbe profile, LLC vs S corp, confidence, recommendation Episode Highlights [00:00:00 - 00:01:00] Spencer reintroduces the tax series and asks Kim to cover the two categories they haven't discussed yet. [00:01:00 - 00:02:00] Kim breaks down business structures, from Schedule C to LLC to S corp and C corp, and why 1099 income matters. [00:02:00 - 00:04:00] Kim points W2 earners toward real estate, starting with a single-family rental or Airbnb and a management company. [00:04:00 - 00:05:00] Kim explains why learning bonus depreciation and cost segregation costs nothing before you bring in a CPA. [00:05:00 - 00:06:00] Kim adds a third category for accredited investors: oil and gas, referencing Tom Wheelwright's book on the subject. [00:06:00 - 00:07:00] Spencer lists lesser-known accredited investor credits: motion picture, Native American tribe, tree carbon offset, and solar. [00:07:00 - 00:08:00] Spencer and Kim discuss why Tom Wheelwright built a casita, and how a real commute strengthens home office deductions. [00:08:00 - 00:09:00] Spencer introduces the Augusta Rule, renting a property to your own corporation for an annual meeting deduction. [00:09:00 - 00:11:00] Kim explains real estate professional status, the 750-hour requirement, and why it usually falls to a non-W2 spouse. [00:11:00 - 00:13:00] Kim cautions against chasing tax losses through real estate and shares the golf pros' limited partnership story from the 1970s. [00:13:00 - 00:15:00] Spencer and Kim weigh simple guaranteed returns against complex real estate deals that don't clear double digits. [00:15:00 - 00:17:00] Kim lays out business entry points: Schedule C to LLC, the Kolbe profile, franchise fit, and following talents over passion.

    Two Tax Categories Every Business Owner and Real Estate Investor Should Know

  5. Jul 28

    What the Wealthy Know About Taxes That Most People Don't

    Executive Summary Most people treat tax season as something that happens to them every March, a stack of forms to survive rather than a plan to work. In this episode, Kim Butler and Spencer Shaw make the case that taxes are not a maze to escape but a roadmap to follow, and that the wealthy simply read the map earlier and more often. Drawing on her decades of experience and her friendship with tax experts Tom Wheelwright and Diane Kennedy, Kim breaks down why the language we use around taxes, roadmap versus loophole, planning versus preparation, matters far more than most people realize. The conversation moves from the philosophical to the practical. Kim explains why most CPAs are historians rather than strategists, reporting on a year that has already closed instead of shaping the year still in motion. She draws a clear line between W-2 earners, whose options are limited, and those with 1099 income, real estate, or a business, who have real room to legally reduce what they owe. For W-2 households specifically, she introduces one concrete move: stop paying taxes on emergency and opportunity money sitting in a savings account or CD, and instead let it grow inside a whole life insurance policy at a mutual company, where it stays liquid and untaxed. Listeners walk away with a clearer sense of the difference between what is legal and proactive versus what is risky and reactive, along with a specific, actionable step they can take before the end of the year rather than scrambling in the months after it. Links & Resources Mentioned Prosperity Podcast: https://prosperitythinkers.com/podcasts/ Prosperity Parents: http://prosperityparents.com/ Kim D. H. Butler on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KimDHButler Contact: hello@prosperitythinkers.com Book mentioned: Live Your Life Insurance by Kim Butler (available on Amazon) Keywords financial freedom, tax planning, tax strategy, tax preparation vs tax planning, Prosperity Thinkers, whole life insurance, cash value life insurance, W-2 tax strategies, tax roadmap, Tom Wheelwright, CPA vs tax strategist, emergency fund, opportunity fund, tax-free growth, cash flow, wealth preservation, mutual life insurance company, 1099 income, real estate tax strategy, business owner tax planning Episode Highlights [00:00:00 - 00:01:00] Spencer introduces the episode: what the wealthy know about taxes that most people don't. [00:01:00 - 00:02:00] Kim explains Tom Wheelwright's rule: change your facts to change your taxes. [00:02:00 - 00:04:00] Kim breaks down why "roadmap" is the right word and "loophole" is the wrong one. [00:04:00 - 00:05:00] Kim shares a judge's quote on paying only what you legally owe.  [00:05:00 - 00:06:00] Kim distinguishes tax planning from tax preparation, and why timing changes everything. [00:06:00 - 00:09:00] Kim explains why your CPA may not be your tax strategist.  [00:09:00 - 00:11:00] Kim reveals the one move every W-2 earner can make: untaxed emergency and opportunity money. [00:11:00 - 00:13:00] Kim explains how shifting term insurance into whole life turns an expense into an asset. [00:13:00 - 00:14:00] Kim details how whole life cash value works: withdraw to basis, or borrow against growth. [00:14:00 - 00:15:00] Spencer closes with the standard call to action and next steps.

    What the Wealthy Know About Taxes That Most People Don't

  6. Jul 21

    Trump Accounts vs. Whole Life Insurance: The House of Both

    Executive Summary The new Trump Accounts officially opened for enrollment on July 4, and Kim Butler and Spencer Shaw use this Prosperity Podcast episode to walk through what families actually need to know before they get involved. Newborns qualify for a $1,000 government seed contribution, and families can add up to $5,000 a year on top of that, but Kim is upfront that the accounts come with one unavoidable condition: 100% government control. She's not against the accounts. She's against going in blind. Kim reframes the conversation around a principle she calls "the house of both." Rather than choosing between a Trump Account and a private strategy, she walks through why whole life insurance on children and grandchildren remains the only major financial vehicle that is state regulated instead of federally regulated, giving families a fully controllable, 0% government controlled asset to pair alongside any Trump Account contributions. The episode also covers the often overlooked order of operations: why insurance should be purchased on grandparents first, then adult children, and only then on grandchildren, and why insurance companies themselves won't let a family skip that sequence. Kim closes with a comparison to Roth IRAs, explaining how whole life insurance follows nearly identical tax treatment, with one major advantage: full access to your money without waiting until 59 and a half. Links & Resources Mentioned Prosperity Thinkers Podcast: https://prosperitythinkers.com/podcasts/ Empowering Parents, Nurturing Futures - Prosperity Parents Kim D. H. Butler Contact: hello@prosperitythinkers.com   Keywords Trump accounts, whole life insurance, financial freedom, Prosperity Thinkers, wealth preservation, cash flow, financial education, government control, Roth IRA, 529 plan, uniform gifts to minors, life insurance on grandchildren, insuring children, generational wealth, tax-free growth, order of generations, state regulated insurance, mindset, confidence, recommendation Episode Highlights [00:00:20 - 00:01:00] Spencer introduces the newly launched Trump Accounts and why the timing matters. [00:01:00 - 00:02:00] Kim explains why she's excited about Trump Accounts even though the government controls them 100%. [00:02:00 - 00:03:00] Spencer breaks down the $1,000 newborn seed contribution and asks Kim which option she favors. [00:03:00 - 00:04:00] Kim introduces her "house of both" mindset and refuses to pick just one strategy. [00:04:00 - 00:05:00] Kim traces the history from uniform gifts to minors accounts, to 529s, to Roth IRAs, all under government control. [00:05:00 - 00:06:00] Kim explains why whole life insurance is the only financial industry regulated by states, not the federal government. [00:06:00 - 00:07:00] Kim describes her own paperwork for insuring her third grandchild and how ownership, premium, and beneficiary work together. [00:07:00 - 00:08:00] Spencer raises how other cultures have used life insurance on children for generations. [00:08:00 - 00:10:00] Kim explains the correct order of generations for insuring a family: grandparents, then parents, then grandchildren. [00:10:00 - 00:11:00] Kim explains why insurance companies require term coverage on parents before a grandchild can be insured. [00:11:00 - 00:12:00] Spencer recaps the $5,000 annual Trump Account limit and asks Kim for final thoughts. [00:12:00 - 00:13:00] Kim compares whole life insurance tax treatment to Roth IRAs and highlights the liquidity advantage.

    Trump Accounts vs. Whole Life Insurance: The House of Both

  7. Jul 14

    Why High Earners Still Feel Broke (And What to Do About It)

    Executive Summary A six-figure income is supposed to mean financial freedom. But for many high earners, the reality is quite different. In this episode, Kim Butler digs into why families making $150,000 to $250,000 a year, well inside the top 5% of American earners, can still feel like they're barely keeping their heads above water. The answer isn't lack of discipline or intelligence. It's a combination of lifestyle inflation and a financial planning industry that measures success in the wrong currency. Kim makes the case that cash flow is what determines how financially free you actually feel, not net worth. Yet conventional financial planning is entirely focused on assets under management and growing net worth. That mismatch leaves high earners stuck: they see the number on paper but can't translate it into a better daily life. The second half of the episode introduces a framework Kim calls the two parallel paths. Every family, she explains, is simultaneously building assets and protecting them. Most people treat protection as an afterthought. Life insurance, unlike car, home, or health insurance, is not an "if" coverage. It's a "when" guarantee. Build it alongside your accumulation strategy in your 30s, 40s, and 50s, and you create something rare in retirement: a simple, predictable income stream that no market crash or economic cycle can touch. Links & Resources Mentioned Prosperity Thinkers Podcast: https://prosperitythinkers.com/podcasts/ Prosperity Parents: http://prosperityparents.com/ Kim D.H. Butler on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@KimDHButler Contact: hello@prosperitythinkers.com Keywords why high earners feel broke, lifestyle inflation, cash flow vs net worth, whole life insurance, prosperity economics, wealth building for high income earners, asset protection strategy, asset accumulation, guaranteed income retirement, financial freedom, two parallel paths wealth, Prosperity Thinkers, financial education, financial planning high income, retirement income strategy, paycheck in retirement Episode Highlights [00:00:00 - 00:01:05] Spencer frames the paradox: why people with high incomes still feel financially stuck. [00:01:06 - 00:02:03] Kim defines high income thresholds in the U.S. and describes how lifestyle inflation consumes even top earners. [00:02:04 - 00:03:22] The net worth trap: why financial planners focus on the wrong number, and why it leaves clients stuck. [00:03:23 - 00:05:09] Kim introduces the two parallel paths of wealth: asset accumulation and asset protection. [00:05:10 - 00:06:17] Life insurance as a "when" guarantee versus every other "if" insurance you own. [00:06:18 - 00:07:41] What clients in their 80s teach Kim about simplicity, guaranteed income, and what really matters. [00:07:42 - 00:08:04] How building both paths simultaneously makes them stronger, not more complex. [00:08:05 - 00:09:23] Spencer's disclosure: his AI prep notes lined up exactly. Taxes flagged for a future episode.

    Why High Earners Still Feel Broke (And What to Do About It)

  8. Jul 7

    Financial Feedback Loops: How Better Systems Build Long-Term Wealth

    Executive Summary In this episode of The Prosperity Podcast, Kim Butler and Spencer Shaw explore how feedback loops, as a concept borrowed from technology and systems thinking, apply directly to financial success. The conversation begins with a timely warning about AI: when you feed a tool only your existing assumptions, it hands them back to you polished and amplified. Kim calls it an echo chamber. The fix, she explains, is intentional. Kim introduces the Strategic Coach 5% rule: the first 5% of any AI-assisted process must be your own thinking, and so must the last. That principle holds especially true with money. Without your own judgment anchoring both ends of the process, AI becomes a confident repeater of whatever you already believe, right or wrong. Kim and Spencer unpack how the same dynamic plays out in budgeting, savings, and cash flow tracking, and why most families stay stuck despite good intentions. The heart of the episode is Kim's cash flow control structure, a proven app-based system that functions as a financial feedback loop on its own. Families using it for as little as 60 to 90 days begin to see the momentum that consistent savings behavior, not investments, creates. Kim makes the case that savings as a behavior is the foundation most financial planners skip, and that a system designed to give real feedback can make a $2 million difference over a lifetime for the average family earning six figures. Links & Resources Mentioned The Prosperity Podcast - https://prosperitythinkers.com/podcasts/ Prosperity Parents - http://prosperityparents.com/ Kim Butler on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@KimDHButler Access the Cash Flow App: hello@prosperitythinkers.com Strategic Coach (mentioned): https://www.strategiccoach.com Keywords financial feedback loop, cash flow management system, whole life insurance, savings behavior, financial momentum, Prosperity Thinkers, Kim Butler, AI personal finance, cash flow app, financial freedom, Prosperity Economics, budgeting alternatives, wealth building, family savings, financial planning alternatives, cash value life insurance, savings as a habit, financial education podcast, feedback loop investing, wealth preservation Episode Highlights [00:00:00 - 00:00:40] Spencer introduces feedback loops as a tool for financial and personal growth [00:00:41 - 00:03:48] Kim explains AI echo chambers, the Strategic Coach 5% rule, and how feedback loops amplify results [00:04:04 - 00:06:33] Spencer shares his AI breakthrough tracking feelings alongside work tasks [00:06:34 - 00:08:57] Kim introduces the cash flow control structure and the $2 million lifetime impact [00:08:58 - 00:10:31] Spencer and Kim discuss multiplying feedback loops and access to the app [00:10:52 - 00:11:43] Closing thoughts on momentum and why money affects everything that matters

    Financial Feedback Loops: How Better Systems Build Long-Term Wealth
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The Prosperity Podcast is where money meets freedom — without Wall Street's limitations or typical financial advice. Hosted by Kim Butler, founder of Prosperity Thinkers, and Spencer Shaw, this podcast delivers straightforward financial strategies to help you build certainty, cash flow, and long-term prosperity.

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    Kim D. H. Butler and Spencer Shaw
  • Years Active
    2015 - 2026
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