The Return

Dustin Maddox and Jordan Mattox

Dustin Maddox and Jordan Mattox explore the process of religious reconstruction in a world of deconstruction.

Episodes

  1. Feb 27

    Better Ways to Read the Bible with Zach Lambert

    In this episode of The Return, hosts Dustin Maddox and Jordan Mattox sit down with pastor and author Zach Lambert, founder of Restore Austin, for an honest and wide-ranging conversation about faith after deconstruction. Together, they explore one of the central questions facing modern Christianity: What comes after faith falls apart? While deconstruction has become a familiar cultural phenomenon, reconstruction often feels uncertain, personal, and difficult to name. Zach offers a pastoral and deeply practical framework for understanding faith as an ongoing process — construction, deconstruction, and reconstruction — helping listeners imagine what rebuilding belief can actually look like. The conversation moves from personal stories and pastoral experience to larger theological questions about biblical interpretation, church community, trauma, and spiritual healing. Zach discusses harmful ways Scripture has historically been used — through literalism, moralism, apocalyptic fear, and hierarchy — and proposes healthier approaches rooted in Jesus, community, and human flourishing. Along the way, the hosts reflect on parenting through doubt, navigating progressive and evangelical spaces, and how churches can remain hospitable without losing their center. More than anything, this episode offers hope: reconstruction is not a formula or ideological destination, but a relational journey shaped by compassion, curiosity, and courage. Whether you’re questioning, rebuilding, or walking alongside someone who is, this conversation provides language — and imagination — for what a return to faith might look like. Buy Zach’s Book Better Ways to Read the Bible

    51 min
  2. 12/15/2025

    Slowing Down to Reconstruct Faith with Dr. A.J. Swoboda

    In this episode of The Return, hosts Jordan Mattox and Dustin Maddox sit down with theologian and author Dr. A.J. Swoboda for a wide-ranging conversation about slow theology, deconstruction, and what faithful reconstruction actually requires. Using vivid metaphors—from chemotherapy and butter to the Garden of Eden and Sabbath—A.J. argues that doubt, when handled carefully, can be a form of healing rather than harm. He explores why modern churches often rush belief while failing to cultivate depth, virtue, and restraint, and how this impatience contributes to rapid deconstruction on the back end. The conversation moves through some of the biggest questions facing post-evangelical Christians today: How do we distinguish intentional slowness from spiritual stasis? Why do mystery and restraint matter more than airtight answers? What role should churches play in guiding people through doubt rather than shielding them from it? How have apologetics sometimes undermined faith by prioritizing certainty over character? Jordan, Dustin, and A.J. also discuss Sabbath as a formative posture, the dangers of fast conversions, the limits of Enlightenment-style apologetics, and what an “anti-fragile” Christian formation might look like—especially for children and young people. The episode closes with a reflection on grace, permission, and hospitality, and a powerful book recommendation for those tentatively considering a return to faith after walking away. This is a conversation for anyone who believes reconstruction is not about finding faster answers, but about learning how to live faithfully, patiently, and humbly in the presence of mystery.

    41 min

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Dustin Maddox and Jordan Mattox explore the process of religious reconstruction in a world of deconstruction.