The Safe Inside Podcast

Safer Buildings Coalition

In-building wireless dead zones – areas where cell phones can't call 9-1-1, and where first responder radios don't work, have long been identified as a clear and present life-safety threat. Surprisingly, they are found in most structures including shopping malls, stadiums, and tragically, our schools. Since 2012, the Safer Buildings Coalition has been the leading voice in tackling this threat by building a "Coalition of the Willing" with a singularly focused mission: The elimination of in-building wireless dead zones. The SBC Safe Inside Podcast series dives more deeply into the discussion, examining the challenges, roadblocks, frustrations, successes, best practices, and the complicated road forward. We talk about Emergency Responder Communication Enhancement Systems (ERCES), Distributed Antenna Systems, and more! The series will feature two top experts representing the jurisdiction side of the discussion as our regular co-hosts -- Creighton Watley, a seasoned DAS coordinator for a metro county government and Mathew Theisz, a veteran radio operator for the District of Columbia -- along with special guest hosts and other industry experts, as they discuss the ups and downs of trying to do a good job in the muddle of it all. Tune in each month to join us for one of a kind ERCES conversations that connect with your ERCES truth.

Episodes

  1. EP 5 | Safety Under Assault: NFPA's Jim Pauley on the Fight to Protect America's Building Code

    11/04/2025

    EP 5 | Safety Under Assault: NFPA's Jim Pauley on the Fight to Protect America's Building Code

    Read more: https://sbcfastlink.org/43gg1se   Join John Foley of the Safer Buildings Coalition in conversation with Jim Pauley, President and CEO of the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), as they discuss the alarming erosion of safety standards across America. From fire marshals being stripped of authority to communities refusing code updates, this eye-opening discussion reveals how a century of fire safety progress is under threat. Pauley explains NFPA's groundbreaking "Don't Chance Safety" campaign, the critical Pro Codes Act legislation, and why the consensus-based standards development system—one of history's most successful public-private partnerships—needs protection now more than ever. Learn what's at stake and how you can help prevent the next preventable tragedy. Chapter List: Introduction & Reverse Renovations Campaign (00:00 - 04:15) Welcome and "Reverse Renovations" parody video NFPA's creative approach to safety awareness The Knowledge Gap Crisis (04:15 - 09:15) Research revealing public misconceptions about safety codes How consensus-based standards actually work The power of education in building support Safety Under Assault (09:15 - 16:05) State fire marshals losing authority Communities blocking code updates Legal threats against stricter safety standards Lessons from Preventable Tragedies (16:05 - 21:32) Triangle Shirtwaist to Ghost Ship: repeated failures Why we keep making the same deadly mistakes The case for proactive vs. reactive safety The Pro Codes Act Fight (21:32 - 29:49) Bipartisan legislation to protect standards development Copyright protection and economic sustainability What happens if the system collapses Call to Action (29:49 - 34:05) Immediate steps for citizens and professionals Why timing matters for congressional action Local elections and their critical importance Looking Forward with Hope (34:05 - 36:26) NFPA Conference 2026 preview Growing volunteer participation The power of people who care about safety

    53 min

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In-building wireless dead zones – areas where cell phones can't call 9-1-1, and where first responder radios don't work, have long been identified as a clear and present life-safety threat. Surprisingly, they are found in most structures including shopping malls, stadiums, and tragically, our schools. Since 2012, the Safer Buildings Coalition has been the leading voice in tackling this threat by building a "Coalition of the Willing" with a singularly focused mission: The elimination of in-building wireless dead zones. The SBC Safe Inside Podcast series dives more deeply into the discussion, examining the challenges, roadblocks, frustrations, successes, best practices, and the complicated road forward. We talk about Emergency Responder Communication Enhancement Systems (ERCES), Distributed Antenna Systems, and more! The series will feature two top experts representing the jurisdiction side of the discussion as our regular co-hosts -- Creighton Watley, a seasoned DAS coordinator for a metro county government and Mathew Theisz, a veteran radio operator for the District of Columbia -- along with special guest hosts and other industry experts, as they discuss the ups and downs of trying to do a good job in the muddle of it all. Tune in each month to join us for one of a kind ERCES conversations that connect with your ERCES truth.