The Sales Docket

Steven Rapp & Tim Garner
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Our goal is simple: 1. Highlight excellence: We are talking to the heavy hitters who are crushing quotas and solving real client problems. 2. Educate the next gen: If you are new to legal tech sales, this is your bootcamp. We are sharing the tactical "talk tracks," strategies, and lessons that usually take a decade to learn. We aren't just talking theory. We are talking revenue, relationships, and results.

  1. Aug 28

    The Sales Docket ( Michael Huber)

    In this episode of The Sales Docket, hosts Steven Rapp and Timothy Garner interview Michael Huber, Managing Director at Ankura and former 15-year veteran at EY. Huber recounts his non-traditional path into legal tech—starting with competitive hip-hop dancing listed on his resume landing him his first Big 4 role—and tracks his progression from a hands-on technical forensic practitioner to a consultative sales leader. The conversation highlights how practitioners naturally transition into sales roles, the value of technical depth in consultative selling, and how to maintain authentic client relationships in the era of generative AI.

  2. Aug 21

    The Sales Docket ( Canaan Himmelbaum)

    Career Path and Transition: Himmelbaum recounts his shift from being an in-house lawyer in South Florida to the e-discovery vendor space in New York. He emphasizes that his legal background provides him with a strategic advantage, enabling him to act as a partner to corporate clients and law firms rather than just a service provider.Budget Management and Honesty: A central theme is the importance of transparency regarding budgets. Himmelbaum advises that vendors should set expectations early, provide regular updates, and be honest about costs, even when delivering unfavorable news.The Role of AI: While acknowledging that AI is transforming the industry, Himmelbaum stresses the need for "responsible AI". He argues that human involvement remains essential to validate results, avoid hallucinations, and ensure cost-palatable outcomes. He also cautions against prematurely phasing out junior associates, who should use these tools to become more efficient subject matter experts rather than being replaced.Advice for Young Professionals:Perseverance and Relationships: Success relies on building long-term, authentic relationships rather than transactional exchanges.Strategic Planning: He suggests "slowing down to speed up" by developing clear plans and focusing on key clients rather than trying to manage too many simultaneously.Authenticity: He encourages young professionals to stay true to themselves and prioritize being a partner to their clients

  3. Aug 11

    The Sales Docket (Mark Vedete from Groove Golf)

    This episode of The Sales Docket Podcast features Mark Vedete (CEO and Founder of Groove Golf) joined by hosts Tim Garner and Steve Rapp. The conversation explores Mark’s journey from playing Division I golf at American University to inventing a wearable sensor-based golf fitting system that reduces traditional hours-long club fittings into an effortless, data-driven experience

  4. Jul 21

    The Sales Docket (Eric Toder)

    Hosts Steve Rapp and Tim Garner interview long-time industry colleague Eric Toder (currently at TCDI). Together, they reflect on their nearly 30-year journey in the legal sales and services industry, tracing the evolution of sales methodologies from paper photocopies and door-to-door selling to modern e-discovery and AI-driven solutions. The conversation focuses on adapting to an evolving buyer landscape, managing long sales cycles, learning how to handle rejection, and transitioning from being viewed as a commodity vendor to a trusted, high-value partner.

  5. Jul 10

    The Sales Docket with Nicole Rapp and Abby Emmans

    This transcript features a conversation from The Sales Docket podcast where veteran sales professionals Steve Rapp and Tim Garner are interviewed by their younger counterparts, Abbey Emmans and Nicole Rapp. The discussion focuses on sharing career wisdom and sales strategies tailored for the next generation entering the legal technology and eDiscovery sectors. The veterans emphasize that while AI and modern data sources have changed the technical landscape, the core of success remains rooted in trust, curiosity, and relationship building. They advise the younger duo to become technical experts in their field while maintaining a strong work ethic and the ability to advance sales through sincere communication. The recording concludes with practical guidance on entrepreneurship, suggesting that young professionals should establish their own legal entities early to prepare for future opportunities.

  6. May 26

    The Sales Docket with Rodger Moss, Jr (Partner at Brown Rudnick)

    Whether you are selling legal services or software, Rodger's insights on building a book of business are pure gold. Here are my top takeaways for anyone looking to level up their sales game:🔹 Authenticity Wins: People can spot inauthenticity from a mile away. Build genuine, meaningful relationships over time and get to know people as humans rather than just viewing them as transactions. 🔹 Lead with Service: Approach prospects with a "How can I help?" mindset. Even if you aren't the right fit for a specific problem, helping them find the right solution builds long-term trust and repeat business down the line. 🔹 Know Your Fit: Don't try to be everything to everyone. Build an ideal client profile, understand what they value (such as first-class, 6-star service), and focus your energy where there is strong alignment. 🔹 Outwork the Rest: There is simply no substitute for hard work and consistency. Be willing to get on the road to meet clients face-to-face, and be available to solve their problems when they need you most. 🔹 Adapt to AI: AI won't necessarily take your job, but a professional leveraging AI will. Embrace new technologies to scale your efforts and become more productive while doubling down on the human connection that AI cannot replicate.

  7. May 11

    The Sales Docket (David Angarola)

    In this podcast transcript, Dave Angarola discusses his professional journey and shares veteran sales strategies with hosts Steve Rapp and Tim Garner. The conversation highlights the importance of long-term client retention and the value of a strong foundational work ethic, which Angarola instills in his team through rigorous early training. He emphasizes that modern sales success requires investing in the success of others, specifically by helping clients with their own business development to build genuine rapport. The group explores how adapting to industry shifts, such as the transition from paper to digital and the rise of AI, is essential for career longevity. Ultimately, the source provides a mentorship-focused look at how leadership and corporate culture can remove obstacles to empower high-performing sales teams.

  8. Apr 24

    The Sales Docket ( Ted Anger)

    In this episode of the Sales Docket, hosts Steven Rapp and Timothy Garner dive in with their former colleague, Tedd Anger. The discussion centers on Anger’s extensive career path, beginning with gritty door-to-door sales in 1990s New York City before transitioning into the legal and real estate sectors. The participants reflect on the intense training and high-pressure environments that shaped their professional identities, emphasizing the value of a "foxhole mentality" among teammates. Anger shares his core philosophy for success, which prioritizes unwavering preparation, personal accountability, and the Golden Rule over raw talent. He also discusses how maintaining a positive attitude and a spirit of gratitude can help modern professionals navigate industry shifts and difficult clientele. Ultimately, the source highlights how foundational sales experiences and strong mentorship serve as a permanent springboard for long-term career growth.

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Our goal is simple: 1. Highlight excellence: We are talking to the heavy hitters who are crushing quotas and solving real client problems. 2. Educate the next gen: If you are new to legal tech sales, this is your bootcamp. We are sharing the tactical "talk tracks," strategies, and lessons that usually take a decade to learn. We aren't just talking theory. We are talking revenue, relationships, and results.

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  • Creator
    Steven Rapp & Tim Garner
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    14
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Steven Rapp & Tim Garner
  • Show Website
    The Sales Docket