The Segment

Illumio

Attackers are smarter, more sophisticated and move more quickly than ever. If your organization hasn’t been breached yet, odds are you will be. On The Segment, you will hear from industry experts about the latest cybersecurity trends. We will unpack how modern organizations can reduce risk and curtail impact with Zero Trust - a “never trust, always verify” approach to cybersecurity. Join us for The Segment: A Zero Trust Leadership Podcast, brought to you by Illumio.

  1. The Cybersecurity Cliff Nobody Is Talking About | Jen Ellis

    Jun 17

    The Cybersecurity Cliff Nobody Is Talking About | Jen Ellis

    In this episode, Raghu Nandakumara sits down with Jen Ellis, founder of NextJenSecurity, for a sharp and wide-ranging conversation about why so many of cybersecurity's biggest debates keep missing the point. Just weeks after a major AI breakthrough sent shockwaves through the security industry, Jen brings her trademark candour to the questions everyone is asking: from the real mechanics of ransomware economics to a frank assessment of why the industry's approach to resilience may be fundamentally miscalibrated. The conversation explores what it actually means to defend in an era where vulnerability discovery is accelerating faster than vendors can patch, end users can respond, and policymakers can keep up. Jen argues that while the threat landscape has never been more urgent, the assumptions underpinning most proposed solutions,  from payment bans to AI-powered fixes, are more naive than the industry wants to admit. Raghu and Jen discuss: Why banning ransom payments won't end ransomware — and what a responsible policy glide path might actually look like How ransomware targeting really works, and why the "cut off the revenue stream" argument misreads the threat Why the vendor response piece of the AI vulnerability pipeline is being dangerously overlooked The legacy technology time bomb — and why developed economies are most exposed Why being trusted and being trustworthy are not the same thing What cyber insurance gets right, and why it isn't ready to save us yet Why there are no five-step fixes — and why pretending otherwise is part of the problem How the current moment of political and regulatory urgency may be the industry's best chance to act The episode closes with a dose of honest pragmatism: there are no five-step fixes, nothing is actually simple, and the attack surface is expanding faster than most organizations are moving. But there is real momentum — more policymakers, more collaboration, more urgency than the industry has ever seen. The question is whether we'll use it.   Stay connected with our host Raghu on LinkedIn For more information about Illumio, check out our website at illumio.com

    46 min
  2. Same Problems, Different Decade | Dr. Anton Chuvakin and Erik Bloch

    Jun 3

    Same Problems, Different Decade | Dr. Anton Chuvakin and Erik Bloch

    In this episode, Raghu Nandakumara sits down with two heavyweights in cybersecurity: Dr. Anton Chuvakin (Google Cloud) and Erik Bloch (Illumio), for a candid, often funny, and occasionally sobering look at why detection and response keeps fighting the same battles it was fighting 20 years ago. From the birth of SIEM and the coining of "EDR," to the short-lived reign of XDR, to today's AI hype cycle, Anton and Erik trace the full arc of the industry's evolution and interrogate why, despite decades of tooling investment, the fundamental outcomes haven't changed.  Alert fatigue, signal-to-noise ratios, and the needle-in-the-haystack problem remain as stubborn as ever –and the slides security teams are building in 2025 look suspiciously like the ones from 2003. Raghu, Anton, and Erik discuss: Why the SOC still largely runs on a 1990s operating model and what it would actually take to change that How compliance pulled SIEM away from detection for over a decade and why that hangover still lingers Why a handful of engineering-led organizations (Google, Netflix, a European bank) have cracked the code while nearly everyone else keeps applying band-aids The pharmaceutical industry analogy that explains why security startups keep building band-aids instead of solving root causes What MDRs are doing right and why enterprise SOCs have no incentive to learn from them Why AI is accelerating tooling but, for some organizations, actually slowing down the harder transformation work How securing AI is repeating the exact same mistakes made in the early days of cloud Stay connected with our host Raghu on LinkedIn For more information about Illumio, check out our website at illumio.com

    55 min
  3. Cybersecurity Has Hit a Brick Wall — Andrew Rubin on What Comes Next

    May 20

    Cybersecurity Has Hit a Brick Wall — Andrew Rubin on What Comes Next

    In this episode, Raghu Nandakumara sits down with Andrew Rubin, Founder & CEO of Illumio, for a candid conversation about the next phase of AI-driven cybersecurity risk. Just weeks after a major AI breakthrough sparked shockwaves across the security industry, Andrew shares his immediate reaction — from the sobering implications of machine-speed vulnerability discovery to a frank assessment of why the cybersecurity industry's fundamental model may already be broken. The conversation explores what actually changes in an era where vulnerabilities could be discovered and exploited faster than any human-driven operation could manage. Andrew argues that while segmentation as a concept is decades old, its role as a critical backstop has never been more urgent. If attackers begin operating at machine speed, defenders must rethink not just their tools, but their entire operating model — from how they assess risk to how quickly they can respond. Raghu and Andrew discuss: Why the cybersecurity industry has spent more every year while outcomes have gotten worse How AI creates an asymmetric threat unlike anything defenders have faced before Why patching alone won't solve the problem — and the COVID vaccine analogy that explains why The shift from prevention to resilience as the new security north star What the SolarWinds story reveals about how organizations miscalculate tail risk Why segmentation becomes one of the few reliable backstops in a model-driven world How the era of 12-month RFPs and POCs may be coming to a swift and necessary end Stay Connected with our host, Raghu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raghunandakumara/ For more information about Illumio, check out our website at illumio.com    Resources Mentioned: Hard Truths in Cybersecurity: Fear, Liability, and the Industry's Biggest Lies | RSAC 2026 Panel:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88XjfZBYIw0

    48 min

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Attackers are smarter, more sophisticated and move more quickly than ever. If your organization hasn’t been breached yet, odds are you will be. On The Segment, you will hear from industry experts about the latest cybersecurity trends. We will unpack how modern organizations can reduce risk and curtail impact with Zero Trust - a “never trust, always verify” approach to cybersecurity. Join us for The Segment: A Zero Trust Leadership Podcast, brought to you by Illumio.

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