ReLaunch to a Rich Life

Hilary DeCesare

Your front-row seat to the ReLaunch revolution, hosted by Hilary DeCesare. Each episode is a journey designed to catalyze your personal and professional growth, packed with inspirational narratives, breakthrough research, and life-altering experiences that will empower you to triumph over struggles and soar into an extraordinary life. Hilary DeCesare's sole mission? To guide you from where you stand now to where your heart truly desires to be–goosebump moments to be expected

  1. 5d ago

    Why Keeping the Peace Could Be Costing You Everything w/ Colette Fehr

    Colette Fehr is a leading relationship expert, certified emotionally focused couples therapist, author, and TEDx speaker whose work has been featured as a TED Editor’s Pick. Through her practice and her book, The Cost of Quiet, she has empowered hundreds of couples to break cycles of conflict avoidance and master the art of secure, lasting communication. In today’s episode, Colette joins me to discuss her personal relaunch journey, the cost of staying silent in a marriage, its effects on many women, and how you can find your voice. We dive into the hidden cost of keeping the peace and why women often silence themselves to avoid being difficult, annoying, or “too much.” Colette explains “good girl-itis” and the four most devastating results of self-silencing. Colette also shares how she navigates difficult conversations in business, media, and her own life. She explains how to recognize the difference between intuition and fear, reconnect with yourself, and decide when something needs to be said. Join us today as we dive into the cost of staying silent, finding your voice, navigating conflict, building self-connected communication, and how to have the conversations that can change your relationships, business, and life. — Read Colette’s book, “The Cost of Quiet” to learn how staying silent can affect your relationships, and discover how to have the conversations you’ve been avoiding >> https://www.colettejanefehr.com/new-book? — Watch Colette’s TEDx talk, Secrets of a Couples Therapist so you can gain practical insights into communication and relationships from a couples therapist. >> https://youtu.be/8tSUOB2yEd0?si=L0WxmnJTOe6YMPdz — Subscribe to Colette’s Secrets from a Therapist Substack: To get free relationship advice and insights to help you better understand your relationships and communicate with confidence. >> https://colettejanefehr.substack.com/ — If this episode lit something inside you, that quiet knowing that you’re meant for more, then I want to personally invite you into the most powerful room of the year. ReLaunch To A Rich Life LIVE is a transformative, neuroscience-backed 3-day experience happening September 17–19, 2026 in Scottsdale, Arizona. It’s designed for women who are done playing small and ready to step into clarity, confidence, and next-level success, not just in business, but in health, wealth, relationships, and life. This isn’t another event, it’s a quantum upgrade into the life you’re meant to live. Join women who are ready to rewire their identity, elevate their frequency, and claim a Rich Life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Learn more and join us in September: https://www.relaunchtoarichlife.com — Visit Colette Fehr’s website: https://www.colettejanefehr.com/ Connect with Colette on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BxMhMP6LL/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/colettejanefehr? Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/colette-jane-fehr-lmft-lmhc-3b3b711b? — Connect with Hilary: Website: https://therelaunch.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilarydecesare/ FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReLaunchCo Interested in being a guest on the ReLaunch Podcast or booking Hilary as a guest? Email us at hello@therelaunch.com Find Us on Your Favorite Podcast App - https://the-silver-lined-relaunch.captivate.fm/listen

    Why Keeping the Peace Could Be Costing You Everything w/ Colette Fehr
  2. Sep 2

    The LinkedIn Strategy That Turns Relationships Into Revenue w/ Scott Aaron

    Scott Aaron is a LinkedIn coach, bestselling author, and host of the Networking and Marketing Made Simple podcast. He teaches coaches, consultants, and service based entrepreneurs how to turn their expertise into consistent clients through genuine, organic relationship building on LinkedIn. In today's episode, Scott joins us to talk about the season of real personal crisis that forced him to rebuild his entire business and life from the ground up, and how you can actually scale your business using LinkedIn. Scott shares key details about the collapse of the first business he took over, the conflict it caused in his family, and the emotional toll it took on him. We talk about how Scott rebuilt everything online, matching 15 years of revenue in just six months. Scott reveals how to position yourself as a thought leader instead of a spammer, what to actually post, and how often. Join us today as we dive into Scott's relaunch story, business mortality versus business rebirth, how to grow real relationships on LinkedIn without being "salesy," profile optimization, content strategy, and the daily habits that scale a business without burning you out. — Want to learn how to create better content, build stronger connections, and generate more opportunities on LinkedIn? Subscribe to Scott’s free LinkedIn Tips and Updates newsletter >> https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/linkedin-tips-and-updates-6864980141639127040 — Want to learn Scott’s LinkedIn strategy directly from him? Join Scott’s free live LinkedIn trainings every Monday and Thursday at 10 AM Eastern >> https://www.facebook.com/share/19fBASpFeZ/ — Want more practical advice on networking, marketing, and using LinkedIn to grow your business? Listen to more LinkedIn strategies on Scott's podcast: The Networking and Marketing Made Simple podcast >> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/networking-and-marketing-made-simple/id1441674842 — If this episode lit something inside you, that quiet knowing that you’re meant for more, then I want to personally invite you into the most powerful room of the year. ReLaunch To A Rich Life LIVE is a transformative, neuroscience-backed 3-day experience happening September 17–19, 2026 in Scottsdale, Arizona. It’s designed for women who are done playing small and ready to step into clarity, confidence, and next-level success, not just in business, but in health, wealth, relationships, and life. This isn’t another event, it’s a quantum upgrade into the life you’re meant to live. Join women who are ready to rewire their identity, elevate their frequency, and claim a Rich Life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Learn more and join us in September: https://www.relaunchtoarichlife.com — Visit Scott Aaron’s website: https://scottaaron.net/ Connect with Scott on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/19fBASpFeZ/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/scottaaronlinkedin? Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottaaroncoach? — Connect with Hilary: Website: https://therelaunch.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilarydecesare/ FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReLaunchCo Interested in being a guest on the ReLaunch Podcast or booking Hilary as a guest? Email us at hello@therelaunch.com Find Us on Your Favorite Podcast App - https://the-silver-lined-relaunch.captivate.fm/listen

    The LinkedIn Strategy That Turns Relationships Into Revenue w/ Scott Aaron
  3. Aug 27

    How to Rebuild, Scale & Sell a Business From Zero w/ Sarah Bundy

    Sarah Bundy is a serial entrepreneur, growth strategist, the co-founder of Athena Collective, and host of the For Female Founders podcast. After spending more than 20 years in affiliate and partnership marketing, she built All Inclusive Marketing into a highly respected agency, earning recognition including Company of the Year in British Columbia, Profit 500, Canada’s Top 100 Female Entrepreneurs, and Top 40 Under 40. In today’s episode, Sarah joins me to share the lessons that helped her build, scale, and successfully exit her company. She shares how she rebuilt herself and her business after having to walk away with just $7 in the bank. Sarah shares the three key skills she used to rebuild her business from the ground up, starting with just one client. She explains what taking “immaculate care” of clients means and how it helped her create opportunities and long-term relationships that fueled her growth. We discuss how to build a strong partnership, identify the right business partners, use complementary strengths, and create a company culture where people can thrive. Sarah also reveals how she eventually found the right values-aligned partner who led to the successful acquisition of her business. Sarah also shares how she identified a major gap in support for female entrepreneurs, built Athena Collective, grew it to more than 1,200 members, and then expanded internationally. Join us today to learn how to build a business around your strengths, choose the right partners, create lasting client relationships, know when to walk away, recover from major setbacks, and build toward a successful exit without sacrificing the people and values that matter most. —- Ready to build your business with better resources, guidance, and a community of female founders? Join Athena Collective and get the support you need to grow with more clarity and less overwhelm. >> https://www.athenacollective.co/ — Want more honest conversations and practical lessons from successful women in business? Listen to the For Female Founders podcast for insights on building, scaling, and selling a business. >> https://open.spotify.com/show/598WiBQLFsRgJ5ewkrJfx7? — If this episode lit something inside you, that quiet knowing that you’re meant for more, then I want to personally invite you into the most powerful room of the year. ReLaunch To A Rich Life LIVE is a transformative, neuroscience-backed 3-day experience happening September 17–19, 2026 in Scottsdale, Arizona. It’s designed for women who are done playing small and ready to step into clarity, confidence, and next-level success, not just in business, but in health, wealth, relationships, and life. This isn’t another event, it’s a quantum upgrade into the life you’re meant to live. Join women who are ready to rewire their identity, elevate their frequency, and claim a Rich Life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Learn more and join us in September: https://www.relaunchtoarichlife.com — Visit Sarah Bundy’s website: https://www.sarahbundy.com/ Connect with Sarah on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1F42QmARUv/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarahbundyconnect? Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahvbundy? — Connect with Hilary: Website: https://therelaunch.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilarydecesare/ FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReLaunchCo Interested in being a guest on the ReLaunch Podcast or booking Hilary as a guest? Email us at hello@therelaunch.com Find Us on Your Favorite Podcast App - https://the-silver-lined-relaunch.captivate.fm/listen

    How to Rebuild, Scale & Sell a Business From Zero w/ Sarah Bundy
  4. Aug 19

    Stop Selling Your Time, License Your Expertise w/ April Beach

    April Beach is the founder and CEO of The Suite Life Company, an industry pioneer in content and expert licensing, and the host of The Suite Life Entrepreneur Podcast. For nearly 30 years, she has helped leaders and established entrepreneurs turn their intellectual property into scalable licensing opportunities with companies, universities, and organizations. In today’s episode, April joins me to discuss her biggest business relaunch and how she went from running a successful but exhausting six figure business to building a licensing model that tripled her revenue within 18 months. We dive into what content licensing actually means, how to know if your expertise is ready to be licensed, and how entrepreneurs can turn their courses and other intellectual property into assets that organizations can license and deploy. April reveals what “licensing quick sells” are, including opportunities in the $10,000 to $35,000 range, as well as educational licensing opportunities with universities. April also explains how to sell the same solution to small businesses, mid-sized businesses, and large organizations. We also cover the difference between certification and licensing and how to protect your intellectual property. April also shares a real story about a client who generated a first licensing sale of around $300,000 from a $6,000 workshop. Join us today as we dive into content licensing, creating licensing offers, certification vs. licensing, AI and the future of expertise, and how to design your business around the life you want. — Ready to see if your expertise could become your next revenue stream? Visit April’s website and explore April's resources on content licensing, and also join her free Monthly Live Licensing Q&A>> https://www.aprilbeach.com/ — Not sure if your courses, frameworks, or processes are ready to be licensed? Download April's free Licensing Starter Guide and discover how to identify your most valuable intellectual property before you build your next offer. >> https://www.sweetlifepodcast.com/how-to-license-your-course-content-or-program-with-april-beach/ — Want to keep learning how to build a business that scales without consuming your life? Subscribe to The Suite Life Entrepreneur Podcast for more conversations on licensing, intellectual property, and sustainable business growth. >> https://www.sweetlifepodcast.com/ — If this episode lit something inside you, that quiet knowing that you’re meant for more, then I want to personally invite you into the most powerful room of the year. ReLaunch To A Rich Life LIVE is a transformative, neuroscience-backed 3-day experience happening September 17–19, 2026 in Scottsdale, Arizona. It’s designed for women who are done playing small and ready to step into clarity, confidence, and next-level success, not just in business, but in health, wealth, relationships, and life. This isn’t another event, it’s a quantum upgrade into the life you’re meant to live. Join women who are ready to rewire their identity, elevate their frequency, and claim a Rich Life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Learn more and join us in September: https://www.relaunchtoarichlife.com — Visit April’s Website: https://www.aprilbeach.com/ Connect with April on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AprilBeachSweetLife/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aprilbeachlicensing/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aprilbeach/ — Connect with Hilary: Website: https://www.therelaunch.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilarydecesare/ FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReLaunchCo Interested in being a guest on the ReLaunch Podcast or booking Hilary as a guest? Email us at hello@therelaunch.com Find Us on Your Favorite Podcast App - https://www.the-silver-lined-relaunch.captivate.fm/listen

    Stop Selling Your Time, License Your Expertise w/ April Beach
  5. Aug 5

    When Life Forces a Relaunch: Lisa Resnick on Cancer, Business & Resilience

    Lisa Resnick is a speaker, author, and founder of Dandelion Inc., a membership-based community that helps women entrepreneurs grow their businesses while staying grounded in real life. She's the host of the Seed Podcast, a time mastery expert for entrepreneurs, and the author of the book "You're a Mess, But So Is the Universe". In today's episode, Lisa joins me to share her incredible relaunch story and how to navigate unexpected life challenges without losing yourself, your purpose, or your business. Just weeks after celebrating the launch of her first book, Lisa's life took an unexpected turn when she was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer. She opens up about the emotional uncertainty between testing and diagnosis, the difficult decisions that followed, and how she balances her health with running a business during one of the hardest seasons of her life. Lisa shares the inspiration behind "You're a Mess, But So Is the Universe," and how to achieve greater growth during life's chaos. She also explains her habit of "serial relaunching," and how to spot the difference between healthy reinvention and a perfectionism cycle that stalls real growth. We also explore time management during life's biggest challenges, building strong support systems, finding emotional resilience, and creating a business that can continue even when life doesn't go according to plan. Join us today as we discuss serial relaunching, navigating uncertainty, breast cancer risk factors every woman should know, balancing health and entrepreneurship, and much more. —- To dive deeper into the mindset and lessons that carried Lisa through her worst moments, check out her book, You're a Mess, But So Is the Universe, >> https://www.amazon.com/Youre-Mess-But-Universe-Beautifully/dp/1968485767 — If this episode lit something inside you, that quiet knowing that you’re meant for more, then I want to personally invite you into the most powerful room of the year. ReLaunch To A Rich Life LIVE is a transformative, neuroscience-backed 3-day experience happening September 17–19, 2026 in Scottsdale, Arizona. It’s designed for women who are done playing small and ready to step into clarity, confidence, and next-level success, not just in business, but in health, wealth, relationships, and life. This isn’t another event, it’s a quantum upgrade into the life you’re meant to live. Join women who are ready to rewire their identity, elevate their frequency, and claim a Rich Life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Learn more and join us in September: relaunchtoarichlife.com — Visit Lisa Resnick’s Website: https://lisaresnick.com/ Connect with Lisa on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/19HkHf2Ubq/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dandelionincllc Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dandelion-inc — Connect with Hilary: Website: https://therelaunch.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilarydecesare/ FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReLaunchCo Interested in being a guest on the ReLaunch Podcast or booking Hilary as a guest? Email us at hello@therelaunch.com Find Us on Your Favorite Podcast App - https://the-silver-lined-relaunch.captivate.fm/listen.

    When Life Forces a Relaunch: Lisa Resnick on Cancer, Business & Resilience
  6. Jul 29

    Break Your Money Ceiling by Healing This One Pattern w/ Shamina Taylor

    Shamina Taylor is a former lawyer turned wealth mindset coach, bestselling author of "Unlocking the Quantum Woman," and host of the podcast "Unapologetically Rich." Her mission is to help women uncover the subconscious patterns holding them back from emotional freedom and financial abundance. In today's episode, Shamina shares the exact framework she uses to help women break through income ceilings and hit their highest cash months, sometimes in as little as 56 days. She shares the powerful story of the breaking point that cracked her life wide open and led her to rebuild herself from the ground up. Shamina explains her signature methodology, the "Power Pattern," and breaks down how core wounds like unworthiness, betrayal, and abandonment quietly drive our behavior, relationships, and even our bank accounts. She also explains how to reveal the old stories that run your life without your awareness. You will understand how to finally stop reacting and start responding with control. Shamina also explains how to move out of survival mode and into genuine abundance. We also talk about how to raise emotionally intelligent kids who process instead of suppress, how to release shame around success and visibility, and how to reclaim your confidence and your next chapter at any age or stage of life. Join us today to learn how to identify your core wound, break your money ceiling, master your triggers, raise emotionally stable kids, and start building the wealthy, abundant life you actually want. — Get a copy of ‘Unlocking the Quantum Woman’ and complete the journaling prompts to identify your subconscious patterns, heal emotional blocks, and create lasting personal and financial transformation. >> https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/Shamina-Taylor/dp/B0DK36D7L7 Tune in to the Unapologetically Rich Show by Shamina Taylor for deeper conversations on emotional mastery, abundance, wealth consciousness, and personal growth. >> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-unapologetically-rich-show-with-shamina-taylor/id1667347023 Send "relaunch" to @sheminataylor on Instagram to receive Shamina's Fast Cash Frequency program for free. — If this episode lit something inside you, that quiet knowing that you’re meant for more, then I want to personally invite you into the most powerful room of the year. ReLaunch To A Rich Life LIVE is a transformative, neuroscience-backed 3-day experience happening September 17–19, 2026 in Scottsdale, Arizona. It’s designed for women who are done playing small and ready to step into clarity, confidence, and next-level success, not just in business, but in health, wealth, relationships, and life. This isn’t another event, it’s a quantum upgrade into the life you’re meant to live. Join women who are ready to rewire their identity, elevate their frequency, and claim a Rich Life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Learn more and join us in September: https://www.relaunchtoarichlife.com — Visit Shamina Taylor’s Website: https://www.shaminataylor.com/ Connect with Shamina on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/shaminataylor Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shaminataylor/?hl=en Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamina-taylor-318473162/ — Connect with Hilary: Website: https://therelaunch.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilarydecesare/ FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReLaunchCo Interested in being a guest on the ReLaunch Podcast or booking Hilary as a guest? Email us at hello@therelaunch.com Find Us on Your Favorite Podcast App - https://the-silver-lined-relaunch.captivate.fm/listen

    Break Your Money Ceiling by Healing This One Pattern w/ Shamina Taylor
  7. Jul 22

    The Secret to Building Trust on Video (Even If You Hate Being on Camera) w/ Tracy Phillips

    Tracy Phillips is an Emmy-nominated video and visibility expert and the founder of Tested Magical, a done-for-you video testimonial service that helps businesses turn authentic client stories into trust-building, revenue-driving assets. With more than 26 years of video production experience and a background in documentary storytelling, Tracy helps experts, founders, and teams use video not just to be seen, but to be trusted and chosen. In today's episode, Tracy joins me to unpack why authentic, human video matters more than ever in a world flooded with "AI slop" and how showing up imperfectly can help you build stronger relationships with potential clients. We dive deep into Tracy's journey, how she overcame her fear of being on camera, and the mindset shifts that made her transition from spending more than 20 years behind the camera to becoming the face of her own business possible. Tracy also shares practical strategies for creating consistent video content, using AI as a brainstorming tool without losing authenticity, and avoiding the biggest mistakes business owners make when trying to build visibility online. She also explains the power of video testimonials, why they outperform written reviews, how many testimonial videos every business should have, and where to place them on a website to increase trust and conversions. Join us today as we dive into overcoming the fear of being on camera, embracing authenticity over perfection, building trust through video, using AI the right way, and creating content that helps your audience know, like, trust, and ultimately choose you. —- Visit https://testimagical.com/ to learn how Tracy and her team help businesses create authentic testimonial videos that drive credibility, conversions, and growth. — If this episode lit something inside you, that quiet knowing that you’re meant for more, then I want to personally invite you into the most powerful room of the year. ReLaunch To A Rich Life LIVE is a transformative, neuroscience-backed 3-day experience happening September 17–19, 2026 in Scottsdale, Arizona. It’s designed for women who are done playing small and ready to step into clarity, confidence, and next-level success, not just in business, but in health, wealth, relationships, and life. This isn’t another event, it’s a quantum upgrade into the life you’re meant to live. Join women who are ready to rewire their identity, elevate their frequency, and claim a Rich Life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Learn more and join us in September: relaunchtoarichlife.com — Visit Tracy Phillips’ Website: https://testimagical.com/ Connect with Tracy on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BboqEBQiw/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/testimagical? Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/testimagical? — Connect with Hilary: Website: https://therelaunch.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilarydecesare/ FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReLaunchCo Interested in being a guest on the ReLaunch Podcast or booking Hilary as a guest? Email us at hello@therelaunch.com Find Us on Your Favorite Podcast App - https://the-silver-lined-relaunch.captivate.fm/listen

    The Secret to Building Trust on Video (Even If You Hate Being on Camera) w/ Tracy Phillips
  8. Jul 15

    From Near-Death to New Life: Lisa Garr's Story of Brain Trauma, Healing & Rebuilding Your Life

    Lisa Garr is an Emmy nominated host, serial entrepreneur, story coach, and founder of Standing Room Only. For over 20 years, she has been the creator and host of The Aware Show, a nationally syndicated radio show and podcast featuring leading voices in health, science, consciousness, and personal transformation. Lisa shares what she experienced during her out of body near death experience, the recovery that followed, and how rebuilding her brain led her to discover an unexpected psychic ability she still uses today. We dive into what it really means to relaunch after life knocks you off course, including how to get curious, how to change your perspective, and how to stop undervaluing yourself. Lisa also shares her philosophy on the power of storytelling after interviewing over 5,000 guests, breaking down her three part formula for unpacking anyone's story. She explains how to keep a story authentic even after telling it hundreds of times, and why every story deserves to be told. Join us today as we dive into healing after trauma, rediscovering your voice, valuing yourself in business, the art of storytelling, longevity medicine, embracing AI as a tool for growth, and much more. —- Ready to share your story, or do you want to work with Lisa? Visit her website >> https://www.theawareshow.com/coaching — If this episode lit something inside you, that quiet knowing that you’re meant for more, then I want to personally invite you into the most powerful room of the year. ReLaunch To A Rich Life LIVE is a transformative, neuroscience-backed 3-day experience happening September 17–19, 2026 in Scottsdale, Arizona. It’s designed for women who are done playing small and ready to step into clarity, confidence, and next-level success, not just in business, but in health, wealth, relationships, and life. This isn’t another event, it’s a quantum upgrade into the life you’re meant to live. Join women who are ready to rewire their identity, elevate their frequency, and claim a Rich Life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. Learn more and join us in September: https://www.relaunchtoarichlife.com — Visit Lisa Garr’s Website: https://www.theawareshow.com/coaching Connect with Lisa on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HostLisaGarr? Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lisagarrhost Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisagarr — Connect with Hilary: Website: https://therelaunch.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilarydecesare/ FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReLaunchCo Interested in being a guest on the ReLaunch Podcast or booking Hilary as a guest? Email us at hello@therelaunch.com Find Us on Your Favorite Podcast App - https://the-silver-lined-relaunch.captivate.fm/listen

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Your front-row seat to the ReLaunch revolution, hosted by Hilary DeCesare. Each episode is a journey designed to catalyze your personal and professional growth, packed with inspirational narratives, breakthrough research, and life-altering experiences that will empower you to triumph over struggles and soar into an extraordinary life. Hilary DeCesare's sole mission? To guide you from where you stand now to where your heart truly desires to be–goosebump moments to be expected

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