The Space Between Two Lines

Alex Saunders
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Welcome to The Space Between Two Lines, hosted by Alex Saunders. This is a podcast dedicated to honest conversations about the realities of fertility loss and the journey to parenthood. This is a space for real and raw discussions with everyday people, sharing stories that often go unheard, providing connection, community, and validation.

  1. 6d ago

    Katelyn’s Story: Seven Years of Infertility, IVF and Stillbirth

    In this incredibly powerful episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Katelyn, a women's family violence refuge worker from Geelong, Victoria, to document her relentless seven-year journey to motherhood. What began as a hopeful plan to announce a pregnancy at her wedding in 2019 transformed into a marathon of unexplained infertility, five intensive egg collections, and a devastating medical saga. Katelyn shares the trauma of having her concerns dismissed due to her age, the shock of a Stage 4 endometriosis diagnosis after years of "unexplained" labels, and the heartbreaking loss of her son, Fletcher, at 26 weeks. This conversation is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy and finding the resilience to honor a child's legacy while still navigating the complexities of fertility treatment.   Honoring a Legacy: Bears of Hope & Cuddle Cots In honor of her son, Katelyn launched a major fundraiser for Bears of Hope, a vital Australian charity providing support for miscarriage and stillbirth. Her efforts raised over $12,000, enough to provide multiple cuddle cots to hospitals, ensuring other grieving parents have the precious gift of time with their babies   Support Bears of Hope: https://www.bearsofhope.org.au   We invite you to listen to Katelyn’s incredibly brave and vulnerable account of persistence. If her story of "choiceless strength" resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. By following, you help us bring these essential stories of loss, love, and resilience to the parents and families who need them most.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    Katelyn’s Story: Seven Years of Infertility, IVF and Stillbirth

  2. Jul 23

    Carolina’s Journey: Secondary Infertility, Recurrent Loss & Pregnancy After IVF

    In this deeply informative and resilient episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Carolina, who shares her intense multi-year journey through secondary infertility. After a "streamlined" first pregnancy during the 2020 lockdown, Carolina was blindsided by the complexities of conceiving her second child. Her story traverses the "revolving door" of emergency departments, the emotional weight of three consecutive miscarriages—including a twin pregnancy—and the eventual discovery of a rare genetic factor. This conversation is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy, exploring how Carolina transitioned from the public health system to advanced IVF protocols to finally find the answers she needed.   We invite you to listen to this incredibly brave account of persistence and medical discovery. If Carolina’s journey through the "trenches" of recurrent loss resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us continue to share these vital stories, ensuring no one has to navigate the space between those two lines alone.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    Carolina’s Journey: Secondary Infertility, Recurrent Loss & Pregnancy After IVF

  3. Jul 22 ·  Bonus

    Bonus Episode: Running For Awareness

    In this inspiring bonus episode of The Space Between Two Lines, host Alex Saunders sits down with Josh, a builder from Brisbane (originally from Canberra), who recently completed a grueling 53km ultramarathon to raise awareness for low-cost IVF treatment. Josh shares a rare and vital male perspective on the emotional toll of being the "passenger" during IVF, the physical "brunt work" carried by his wife, Alice, and how he turned his experience into a powerful campaign for change.   Support the Cause: Donations to Josh’s campaign for Adora Fertility patients remain open until World IVF Day on July 25th with the link: ⁠https://runningforawareness.squarespace.com⁠ We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest conversation about the grit and grace it takes to build a family. If Josh’s story of advocacy and resilience resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us ensure that every perspective of the fertility journey—including the vital voices of fathers—is heard and honored.

    Bonus Episode: Running For Awareness

  4. Jul 16

    Single Mum By Choice: 6 IUIs, IVF & The Embryo That Became Her Daughter

    In this empowering and deeply resonant episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex welcomes Reema Kiran, a Single Mom by Choice (SMC), fertility coach, and author, to share her remarkable path to parenthood. After a long-term relationship ended in her late 20s, Reema faced the reality of her biological clock at age 35 and made the courageous decision to prioritize motherhood over waiting for the "perfect" partner. Her journey through the fertility "trenches" was marked by the disappointment of low-yield egg freezing, six unsuccessful IUIs, and a devastating IVF cycle with no viable embryos. Now a mother to a thriving daughter, Reema discusses the mental resilience required to pursue this path alone, navigating cultural expectations as an Indian-Canadian woman, and how she now empowers other career women to stop compromising on their motherhood dreams.   About Our Guest: Reema Kiran is a Professional Certified Coach and the author of Choice Mom: An Empowering Guide to Becoming a Single Mother by Choice. As an Indian-Canadian woman, she brings deep empathy and familiarity with diverse cultural sensitivities to her work, ensuring no woman has to navigate the path to solo motherhood alone.   Connect with Reema: Website: www.choicemomcoach.comInstagram: @choicemomcoachPurchase the Book: Choice Mom on AmazonWork with Reema: Book a Free 30min CallJoin us for this moving account of resilience and self-reliance. If Reema’s story of creating a family in her own way resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us ensure that every story—from every perspective—is seen and honored.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    Single Mum By Choice: 6 IUIs, IVF & The Embryo That Became Her Daughter

  5. Jul 9

    What It Means to Keep Going: Jade’s Journey Through IVF, Loss & Hope

    In this deeply moving episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex speaks with Jade, a 35-year-old from Sydney, who shares her raw and resilient 3.5-year path to motherhood. Jade’s journey highlights the complexities of navigating male factor infertility following a ten-year vasectomy, the physical toll of high-dose IVF protocols, and the heartbreaking reality of a late-term medical diagnosis. After a 30-week pregnancy ended in the stillbirth of her son, Hugo, Jade discusses the "thick fog" of grief and the profound healing she found through donating her breast milk in his honor. This conversation is a testament to the strength required to survive the "trenches" of fertility and the courage to keep moving toward the hope of a future family.  Connect with Support Resources: Bears of Hope: Pregnancy & Infant Loss SupportRed Nose Australia: Grief and Loss SupportWe invite you to listen to Jade’s incredibly brave and vital account of persistence. If this conversation resonates with you or could offer comfort to a loved one, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. By joining our community, you help ensure that these essential stories of loss, love, and "grit" reach those who need them most.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    What It Means to Keep Going: Jade’s Journey Through IVF, Loss & Hope

  6. Jul 2

    Secondary Infertility & IVF: Tamara’s Journey Through Fibroids, Surgery & Hope

    In this deeply relatable episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Tamara, a 39-year-old hairdresser from Brisbane, Queensland, who shares the stark contrast between her first pregnancy and her current 2.5-year battle with secondary infertility. Tamara offers a raw look at being blindsided by a large uterine fibroid, navigating the "numbing" reality of low ovarian reserve, and the resilience required to face multiple cancelled IVF cycles. This conversation is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy, exploring how Tamara utilized both public and private systems in Brisbane and used platforms like TikTok to find the information her specialists initially overlooked.   We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest account of persistence and the beauty of a family still in the making. If Tamara’s story of "only needing one" resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us ensure that every journey—no matter how many hurdles it takes—is seen, understood, and honored.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    Secondary Infertility & IVF: Tamara’s Journey Through Fibroids, Surgery & Hope

  7. Jun 25

    Trying to Conceive for 6 Years: IVF, Pregnancy Loss, Silent Endometriosis & Spiritual Healing | Jess’ Story

    In this incredibly powerful and wide-ranging episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Jess Jones (known online as Jessica Lucie), a psychic medium and HR professional from Perth, Western Australia. Jess shares her complex six-year fertility journey, which includes three rounds of IVF, six transfers, and the devastating discovery of Stage 4 silent endometriosis. From navigating the trauma of an ectopic pregnancy to advocating for herself against medical malpractice, Jess’s story is a masterclass in resilience. She discusses how she shifted from a "resentful mindset" to finding healing through spirituality and energy work, ultimately supporting other women in finding "the magic" even amidst the heartache of infertility.   We invite you to listen to this deeply moving account of finding light in the darkest chapters of infertility. If Jess’s journey of transformation resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join our community of shared stories and support. Every story matters, and by following, you help ensure these vital conversations reach the women who need them most. Use code TSBTL20 for 20% off anything over $20  Connect with Jess Jones (Jessica Lucie): ◦Website: www.jessicaalucie.com.au ◦TikTok: @jessicaalucie ◦Instagram: @jessicaa.lucie If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    Trying to Conceive for 6 Years: IVF, Pregnancy Loss, Silent Endometriosis & Spiritual Healing | Jess’ Story

  8. Jun 18

    5 Years of Infertility, IVF & Hope for Another Miracle Baby | Alex’s Story

    In this heart-opening episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex welcomes Alex Brown, a 33-year-old business owner from Wollongong, New South Wales, to share her decade-long journey to motherhood. From navigating a PCOS diagnosis at just 17 to enduring five years of "unexplained" waiting after a heartbreaking early miscarriage, Alex’s story is a powerful testament to the "one day at a time" mindset. Now navigating the complexities of secondary infertility and the physical toll of OHSS (Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome) during her second IVF round, Alex offers a raw look at medical self-advocacy, the "science-y" reality of bulk-billed clinics, and finding resilience in the space between transfers   We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest account of persistence and hope. If Alex’s journey through the "trenches" of fertility resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join our community. Your support helps us ensure that every story of resilience is heard and honored.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    5 Years of Infertility, IVF & Hope for Another Miracle Baby | Alex’s Story
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Welcome to The Space Between Two Lines, hosted by Alex Saunders. This is a podcast dedicated to honest conversations about the realities of fertility loss and the journey to parenthood. This is a space for real and raw discussions with everyday people, sharing stories that often go unheard, providing connection, community, and validation.

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