The Space Between Two Lines

Alex Saunders
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Welcome to The Space Between Two Lines, hosted by Alex Saunders. This is a podcast dedicated to honest conversations about the realities of fertility loss and the journey to parenthood. This is a space for real and raw discussions with everyday people, sharing stories that often go unheard, providing connection, community, and validation.

  1. A Catch Up With Alex: Pregnancy After IVF, Anxiety & My Son’s Birth Story

    6d ago

    A Catch Up With Alex: Pregnancy After IVF, Anxiety & My Son’s Birth Story

    In this intimate and deeply reflective episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Rosie to explore the emotional and physical complexities of navigating pregnancy after infertility. Following a journey marked by significant challenges, Alex provides a heartfelt update on how her current pregnancy has progressed and shares her thoughts on her upcoming birth. She also takes a poignant look back at Ollie’s birth, offering a raw perspective on how past experiences shape the way we approach new life. This conversation is a vital resource for anyone seeking to understand the intersection of grief and hope as they move through the "trenches" of a subsequent pregnancy.   We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest account of hope, resilience, and the beauty of a new beginning. If Rosie’s story resonates with you or could offer comfort to someone you know, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us continue to create a space where every story is seen, understood, and honored.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    38 min
  2. PCOS, Silent Endometriosis & 3 Pregnancy Losses | Esther’s Fertility Journey

    May 21

    PCOS, Silent Endometriosis & 3 Pregnancy Losses | Esther’s Fertility Journey

    In this compelling episode of The Space Between Two Lines, host Alex Saunders sits down with Esther, a 37-year-old from Victoria, Australia, who shares her intense two-year journey through the "trenches" of infertility. Despite a healthy lifestyle, Esther was blindsided by a PCOS diagnosis at age 36, followed by the discovery of Stage 3 silent endometriosis and a frightening brush with pre-cancerous endometrial cells. This conversation is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy, exploring how Esther navigated both the public and private fertility systems in Melbourne to uncover the hidden medical hurdles standing between her and motherhood.   We invite you to listen to this incredibly raw and informative account of persistence. If Esther’s story resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to ensure you never miss these vital conversations. Your support helps us share stories that empower and connect the fertility community.   Follow Esther’s ongoing journey and find community support on her TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@starrie_lu?_r=1&_t=ZS-96KxcV1mDPZ   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    41 min
  3. Navigating TFMR: One Mother’s Story (With Vivien)

    May 14

    Navigating TFMR: One Mother’s Story (With Vivien)

    In this deeply moving and courageous episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Vivien, an Irish expat living in Sydney, Australia, to discuss her heart-wrenching journey through Termination for Medical Reasons (TFMR). After a "storybook" first cycle conception, Vivien’s pregnancy took a devastating turn following a routine 14-week scan that revealed ventriculomegaly (dilated ventricles in the brain). Vivien shares the raw reality of navigating the Maternal Fetal Medicine (MFM) system at the Royal Hospital for Women, the trauma of a 21-week induction, and the complex path of postpartum grief. This conversation is a vital resource for anyone facing the "trenches" of a medical diagnosis during pregnancy and highlights the profound strength found in choosing a child's quality of life over one's own desires.  Connect with Vivien: Instagram: @mrs_vivien_t_farrell We invite you to listen to this incredibly brave account of motherhood and resilience. If Vivien’s story resonates with you or could offer comfort to a loved one, please subscribe to the podcast and follow The Space Between Two Lines for more honest conversations that ensure no parent walks this path alone.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    59 min
  4. 10 IVF Cycles, Multiple Losses & a 1% Chance: Gemma’s Triplet Miracle Story

    May 7

    10 IVF Cycles, Multiple Losses & a 1% Chance: Gemma’s Triplet Miracle Story

    In this extraordinary episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex is joined by Gemma, an owner-builder and former restaurant owner from regional Victoria, who shares her incredible journey through nearly four years of trying to conceive and 10 grueling rounds of IVF. After being told she and her partner were "incompatible for natural conception," Gemma navigated multiple losses, the grief of losing a best friend, and a silent endometriosis diagnosis before facing a final embryo transfer with only a 1% statistical chance of the outcome that followed: the birth of her three baby boys. This conversation is a profound exploration of resilience, medical self-advocacy in the face of "catastrophic" news, and the miracle of finding hope in the smallest of margins.   We invite you to listen to this moving episode and follow the podcast. By subscribing and following The Space Between Two Lines, you help ensure that these vital stories of heartbreak and triumph reach those who need them most.    If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    1 hr
  5. Secondary Infertility & IVF Journey with Steph | The Story Behind The Little Heart That Waited

    Apr 30

    Secondary Infertility & IVF Journey with Steph | The Story Behind The Little Heart That Waited

    In this heart-opening episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Stephanie, a 33-year-old mother and author who shares her three-year battle with unexplained secondary infertility. After a seamless first pregnancy that resulted in her daughter, Amalia, Steph was blindsided by the challenges of conceiving her second child. She offers a raw and vulnerable account of navigating multiple IVF cycles, the trauma of early pregnancy bleeding, and how she eventually turned her heartbreak into a beautiful children's book, "The Little Heart That Waited". This conversation is a masterclass in resilience for any parent navigating the unique "limbo" of wanting to grow their family while already parenting a child.   Inspired by her own journey and her daughter’s wait for a sibling, Stephanie Mancini authored "The Little Heart That Waited" to help families navigate the complexities of secondary infertility and IVF. This beautiful children's book serves as a bridge for parents to communicate their love and the "wait" for a new family member. Purchase the book here: Official Website: stephaniemancini.square.siteAmazon Australia: The Little Heart That WaitedBooktopia: The Little Heart That WaitedConnect with Steph: Instagram: @stories_by_stephWe invite you to listen to this moving account of persistence and the beauty of a family finally made whole. If Steph’s story resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join a community where every story is seen, understood, and honored.  If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    32 min
  6. The Male Side of Infertility: Dill’s 7-Year Journey Through PCOS & Trying to Conceive

    Apr 23

    The Male Side of Infertility: Dill’s 7-Year Journey Through PCOS & Trying to Conceive

    In this essential episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex explores the often-unheard male perspective on the journey to parenthood. Joining the conversation is Dill, a building estimator living in Geelong, Victoria, who shares the raw and resilient story of the seven years he and his wife, Monique, spent trying to conceive. From navigating the complexities of PCOS (Polycystic Ovary Syndrome) to the emotional weight of being a "supportive partner" while feeling helpless, Dill offers a candid look at the "trenches" of infertility. This episode is a masterclass in emotional resilience, the importance of male self-advocacy, and how a long-term struggle can ultimately strengthen a relationship.   We invite you to listen to this moving and vital account of persistence and partnership. If Dill’s story resonates with you or could help someone you know, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. By following, you help us continue to provide a space where every story—from every perspective—is seen, understood, and honored.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    42 min
  7. Egg Freezing Isn’t an Insurance Policy: Vera’s 14 IVF Retrievals to Pregnancy

    Apr 16

    Egg Freezing Isn’t an Insurance Policy: Vera’s 14 IVF Retrievals to Pregnancy

    In this incredibly powerful episode of The Space Between Two Lines, host Alex is joined by Vera, a 42-year-old from Melbourne, Australia, who shares a masterclass in resilience and medical self-advocacy. After freezing 21 eggs at age 35, Vera returned to use them at 40, only to face the devastating reality that none resulted in a successful pregnancy. What followed was an exhausting but ultimately rewarding journey through 14 total egg retrievals. Now seven weeks pregnant, Vera discusses how she moved past the "blanket statement" of egg quality to find the specific medical protocol that finally worked for her body. This conversation is essential listening for anyone navigating IVF after 40 or considering egg freezing as a long-term strategy.   Join us as we explore the space between hope and data. If Vera’s journey of persistence inspires you, please subscribe and follow the podcast to stay connected with more real, honest stories about the winding road to parenthood. Every story matter, and by following, you help ensure these vital conversations reach those who need them most.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    45 min
  8. The Decision to Use a Donor Egg: Infertility, Loss & IVF (Jaide’s Story)

    Apr 9

    The Decision to Use a Donor Egg: Infertility, Loss & IVF (Jaide’s Story)

    In this heart-to-heart episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Jaide, a 25-year-old from South Australia, who shares her profound and resilient journey toward parenthood. Diagnosed with a rare genetic condition causing premature ovarian failure at just 21, Jaide’s story is a powerful exploration of the "trenches" of infertility. From the unique heartbreak of a molar pregnancy to the complex emotional landscape of egg donation, this conversation offers a raw look at what it means to keep moving forward when the path to motherhood looks nothing like you expected. This episode is an essential guide for anyone navigating fertility challenges in their 20s and those considering the transformative path of donor conception.   Jaide recommends the Egg Donor Angels community for those navigating the donor path: https://www.eggdonorangels.com.au   We invite you to listen to Jaide's inspiring story of hope and persistence. If you find this conversation helpful, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join our community. Every story matters, and by following, you help us ensure that these vital experiences are heard by those who need them most.   If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

    39 min
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Welcome to The Space Between Two Lines, hosted by Alex Saunders. This is a podcast dedicated to honest conversations about the realities of fertility loss and the journey to parenthood. This is a space for real and raw discussions with everyday people, sharing stories that often go unheard, providing connection, community, and validation.

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