The Space Between

In this episode, Bevan Pfeiffer sits down with Johnson Chong. Shamanic practitioner, author, and transformational guide, for a profound exploration of what it really means to wake up. Together, they navigate the terrain where ancient wisdom meets modern psychology, asking what it takes to live, heal, and grow in a time of deep collective change. Johnson opens up about his journey from a traditional upbringing to becoming a bridge between worlds, weaving together shamanic traditions, yogic insight, and therapeutic practice. The conversation touches the heart of consciousness itself: how we create meaning, the role of ritual in integrating experience, and the transformative potential of altered states, whether reached through ceremony, breath, or daily devotion. This dialogue is less about answers and more about remembering, the body as teacher, ancestry as guide, and presence as medicine. Listeners will find practical wisdom for navigating their own path of self-inquiry, from the challenges of letting go to the courage of coming home to who we truly are. If you’re drawn to the intersections of science, spirituality, and self-discovery, this episode offers both grounded insight and luminous perspective. For more on Bevan’s therapeutic work, visit www.theembodiedmind.com.au. To learn about Johnson’s retreats and teachings, visit www.johnsonchong.com.