The Spillway

The Spillway

What does it mean to be a White person in the US today? Any mention of race sets off an immediate reaction across the political spectrum. If you mention race: you’re racist. If you don’t mention race: you’re racist. You’re contemplating not even listening to this podcast now that you know it's about race. You don’t need to think about being White, right? Racism doesn’t exist, that book club you had in 2020 for two months taught you everything you needed to know, or your best friend is Diné, right? Notably, a majority of White people seem to have the same reactions over and over again when race is mentioned: Anger. Helplessness. Denial. Feeling overwhelmed. Shame. Irritability. Depersonalization. Elevated cortisol levels. Racing thoughts. Reactivation. Withdrawal. Engagement in high-risk behaviors. Disruption of life assumptions. Increased cynicism. Argumentative behavior. These repeated experiences indicate an inability to move on — a trauma response. Then three things happen: 1. We deny that we have this experience and blame an “other” (example: “If only the liberals…” “It’s the conservatives who…”) 2. Mention “trauma,” and we unleash mental health stigmas. Or worse yet, White people can acknowledge it’s a trauma while also choosing not to care because White people are experiencing it. 3. We start the cycle over again. To compound this: White people will become a racial minority in the US by 2045. The social experiences of race will change. How we currently talk about race has been so informed by the past that we’ve lost sight of the future of race in the US. If race isn’t a problem, then it shouldn’t be a problem to talk about. The Spillway isn’t exclusive to conservatives or liberals. We’re not here to repeat talking points from The Daily Wire or The Daily Show. We made it for White people, not a political or media ideology. The Spillway exists to make sense of this changing social landscape while creating meaningful spaces for White people to talk, think, and explore conversations of race without shame or judgment. As White people, we often didn’t grow up thinking about race. And when we talked about racism, it was usually only in history class, not around our nightly kitchen table. At The Spillway, we are trying to build racial literacy within White culture. And we’re going to do that by centering understanding, compassion, empathy, love, and patience in our work. Not supremacy. Not shame. So we're going to talk to experts, public thinkers, academics, and everyday White people, each of us trying to make sense of this ever-changing social landscape as White people. All of this with the goal of healing our traumas and preventing the trauma of others.

  1. The Spillway: How We Start

    EPISODE 2

    The Spillway: How We Start

    What does it mean to be a White person in the US today? If you mention or see race, you're racist. If you don't mention or see race, you're racist. A few months ago, I (Loran) started an organization, The Spillway, around supporting White people to work through Perpetrator Induced Traumatic Stress (PITS) and interGenerational trauma. I offer the services within The Spillway with the acknowledgment that healing work is merely one mechanism within a larger network required to sustain our collective movement towards racial justice. I seek to grow the services available rather than redistribute where we put our efforts and funding. To get this message out there, I’ve asked one of the most compassionate, ferociously tender, hilarious, and incredibly smart humans I know, Jenny, to join me on this podcasting journey. Jenny and I come from similar yet separate backgrounds. Importantly, we offer incredibly different perspectives, sometimes just by who we are as people and other times by the different identities we hold. We are committed to building compassion, understanding, empathy, and patience into the present and future of Whiteness and White Culture. We cannot change the past. But, we can change the future through the actions we take today. We seek to embody the work of James Baldwin, Sonya Renee Taylor, Kazu Haga, Resmaa Menekem, and Kai Cheng Thom and countless others asking for White people to (in so many words) get our shit together. Since starting The Spillway, there’s been consistent feedback—sometimes within the same space—that White people are engaging this work with closed hearts and minds This work can be difficult and beautiful. It is an exercise in vulnerability, in unlearning perfectionism, with real-world consequences, in an age of 7-second judgments. We hope The Spillway and our living in it can give others the courage that is needed to join us in this work. We know that attempting to be vulnerable and consenting to learn in public is incredibly terrifying work. And yet we have to start somewhere. Conversations of race and racism aren’t going away anytime soon. Given our incredibly different places in the world, we’re trying to create a middle ground where White people can get together to talk and create action around the paradox of being White in the US, where we are simultaneously the perpetrators and victims of the race and racism. We seek to embody the work of countless activists of color who have been calling White folks to seek our own healing around race and racism. So here we are, two White people committing to the work of individual and collective healing around race and racism for white people. Healing ourselves is no one's responsibility but our own. Let’s Heal together and Grow to stop the impacts of race and racism in the lives of People of Color, and our lives as well. ===== Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow. Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org Mentioned in this episode: The Spillway Community Guidelines 1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and...

    48 min
  2. White Men & Fred Jealous

    EPISODE 3

    White Men & Fred Jealous

    What does it mean to be a White man in the US today without supremacy or shame? Loran and Jenny sit down with Fred Jealous, founder of Breakthrough Men's Community, to talk about the intersection of gender and race as it applies to White men. Questions include: What are we missing when we raise boys in the US?What’s so harmful about men being masculine and women being feminine? How does patriarchy hurt men?Who’s a better educator: shame or love?Men have held power and decision-making capabilities in this country since its founding. Why did they need an additional space like Breakthrough, when the world is their proverbial oyster?What does it mean to be fully human?How do you feel the societal definition of what a “man” is affects white men and how they approach race and racism?In the key practices of the BMC there is mention of a “boy” who needs healing and nurturing, how much of that is related to race for White men?In your work of helping men heal, how central to that work was your own experience of Whiteness and masculinity, and how do you believe that impacted your work with men of Color? ===== Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow. Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org Mentioned in this episode: The Spillway Community Guidelines 1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

    54 min
  3. White Academia & Amy Hillier, MSW, PhD

    EPISODE 4

    White Academia & Amy Hillier, MSW, PhD

    What does it mean to teach and talk about race and racism in our education systems? What does it mean to be White in academia? Here we sit down with Dr. Amy Hillier, MSW, Associate Professor at The School of Social Policy and Practice at the University of Pennsylvania with the following outline: What is CRT look like in your classrooms? What are we getting right and wrong about CRT today? What are White students saying in classrooms about race and racism? How do we translate ideas into praxis? Do you see a role in emotionally and physically locating and embodying ideas? Do you think de-centering Whiteness supports or undermines Derrick Bell’s concept of interest convergence? Dr. Hillier's research has focused on historical housing and public health disparities including mortgage redlining, affordable housing, healthy foods, park use and access, and outdoor advertising. Her most recent research focuses on transgender youth and their families. With Dr. Stephanie Boddie, she co-directs The Ward, a research, teaching, and public history project dedicated to sharing the timeless lessons about racism and the role of research in affecting social change based on W.E.B. Du Bois’ 1899 book, The Philadelphia Negro. Her teaching has focused on similar topics as her research. She led the required two-course sequence on American racism within SP2’s social work program and has taught courses in city planning, urban studies, public health, and social policy focused on equity and social justice. She is the founding director of the cross-school graduate LGBTQ certificate and, with Dr. Beverley Crawford, co-created of the online course, The Penn Experience: Racism, Reconciliation and Engagement. ===== Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow. Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org Mentioned in this episode: The Spillway Community Guidelines 1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

    1h 8m
  4. Chute Block: InterGenerational Trauma

    EPISODE 5

    Chute Block: InterGenerational Trauma

    What is interGenerational trauma and how is it impacting White people? In these shorter episodes, called "chute blocks," Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway. What to expect in the episode: InterGenerational Trauma fundamentalsImplications for our work in the present-dayHow working with our interGenerational trauma will change our future ===== Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow. Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org Mentioned in this episode: The Spillway Community Guidelines 1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

    24 min
  5. A Better F***ing Party than White Supremacy & Evangeline Weiss

    EPISODE 6

    A Better F***ing Party than White Supremacy & Evangeline Weiss

    Alternative title: Cancel Culture and White Women & Evangeline Weiss What does it mean to be a White woman in the US today without supremacy or shame? What does it mean to hold cancel culture as White supremacist and shame culture? Loran and Jenny sit down with Evangeline Weiss, founder of Beyond Conflict & co-founder of We Are Finding Freedom to talk about how cancel culture replicates White supremacy culture and the intersection of race and gender as it applies to White women. Questions include: How do we hold the evolving nature of the human experience amidst accountability (and accountability abuse)? How do we get more White people to center love in our work?What does forgiveness and grace look like in our work of supporting other White people? How do we make sense of the intersection of gender and race?Do White women have any inherent qualities or attributes? What, if anything, do you want to interrupt & expand within White women? How do we find other White people to unpack racial equity with? What's the role of fallibility in our work? ========== Evangeline Weiss Projects & Contact Info ========== linktree for Finding Freedom: https://linktr.ee/wearefindingfreedom.org Finding Freedom is a 5 part online workshop series for white women and gender queer people to examine our internalized dominance and collusion with racism. Upcoming workshops can be found here. @wearefindingfreedom on instagram We still have spots available for Seeing the Forest: Reckoning with Our Roots for a Racially Just Future. If there is one thing we know, this work is meant to be done in relationship with others. Here is the Registration link:https:/done/bit.ly/StF2022. Linktree for Evangeline: https://linktr.ee/evangelineweis Monthly free, white anti-racist space. The caucus is a drop-in space (no need to tell us you're coming or not) and we ask you to RSVP 1 time, so we can make sure you're on the calendar invite. Next Session is April 22nd, 12:00-1:30pm ET.  Information about coaching for white people, organizational change and other offerings can be found on Evangeline's website, www.gobeyondconflict.com Sign up for my monthly Postcard from North Carolina by clicking here and follow her on instagram, @evangelineweis ===== At the beginning of the episode Loran and Jenny talk about White people using "Karen" on other White people. Want to explore the use of Karens in the cross-cultural context? Check out this bonus mini-sode with Evangeline. Jenny references a podcast episode that Evangeline was a guest speaker on. You may find it here. (a...

    1h 8m
  6. The Whites of the Round Table: Lynn Burnett, Jared Karol, & Jill Nagle

    EPISODE 7

    The Whites of the Round Table: Lynn Burnett, Jared Karol, & Jill Nagle

    What does it mean to work to be White while working to end White supremacy and shame cultures? Loran and Jenny sit down with Lynn Burnett (Founder, CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and The White AntiRacist Ancestry Project), Jared Karol (Founder, JaredKarol.com and author “A White Guy Confronting Racism”), and Jill Nagle (Founder, Evolutionary Workplace and acclaimed author) to talk about working with other White people in conversations of racial equity. Who's are these Whites of the Round Table? Lynn Burnett is a former high school history teacher, and the founder of CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and the White Antiracist Ancestry Project. At Cross Cultural Solidarity, he has built over 100 racial justice history resources, and aims to turn the site into a place where people can plug into the entire universe of racial justice history. The premise of the White Antiracist Ancestry Project is that it will be easier to mobilize masses of White people for racial justice if they have powerful and inspiring examples of White antiracism to guide and inspire them. Based on that premise, the project aims to mainstream essential stories and lessons from White antiracist history. Jared Karol is the founder of JaredKarol.com, a consulting firm specializing in guiding White people to confront racism and be unapologetic antiracists. As a trusted advisor, he guides executives, people managers, and dedicated change agents at Fortune 500 companies, startups, and nonprofits. A sought-after professional speaker, panel moderator, leadership coach, and facilitator of difficult conversations, Jared’s storytelling approach inspires and influences individuals and groups worldwide. His first book, A White Guy Confronting Racism: An Invitation to Reflect and Act, was released in November, 2021. An avid reader, accomplished musician, and active meditator, he lives with his family in the San Francisco Bay Area.  Jill Nagle has been published or reviewed more than 150 times in the genres of business, personal growth, fiction, nonfiction, poetry, and social commentary, including American Book Review, The Women’s Review of Books, Zendeskblog, and many more. She founded Evolutionary Workplace, and Wisdom of The Body: Beyond Talk Therapy, and cofounded Awake Parent Perspectives. She is a regular contributor to AfroSap-ee-o-file, and you can see her Medium.com articles with a link in our show notes . With Dr. Cleo Muh-nah-go, she co-facilitates the 22nd Century Leaders program for white anti-racist leaders, whose next cohort starts in September 2022. ========== During the...

    1h 11m

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What does it mean to be a White person in the US today? Any mention of race sets off an immediate reaction across the political spectrum. If you mention race: you’re racist. If you don’t mention race: you’re racist. You’re contemplating not even listening to this podcast now that you know it's about race. You don’t need to think about being White, right? Racism doesn’t exist, that book club you had in 2020 for two months taught you everything you needed to know, or your best friend is Diné, right? Notably, a majority of White people seem to have the same reactions over and over again when race is mentioned: Anger. Helplessness. Denial. Feeling overwhelmed. Shame. Irritability. Depersonalization. Elevated cortisol levels. Racing thoughts. Reactivation. Withdrawal. Engagement in high-risk behaviors. Disruption of life assumptions. Increased cynicism. Argumentative behavior. These repeated experiences indicate an inability to move on — a trauma response. Then three things happen: 1. We deny that we have this experience and blame an “other” (example: “If only the liberals…” “It’s the conservatives who…”) 2. Mention “trauma,” and we unleash mental health stigmas. Or worse yet, White people can acknowledge it’s a trauma while also choosing not to care because White people are experiencing it. 3. We start the cycle over again. To compound this: White people will become a racial minority in the US by 2045. The social experiences of race will change. How we currently talk about race has been so informed by the past that we’ve lost sight of the future of race in the US. If race isn’t a problem, then it shouldn’t be a problem to talk about. The Spillway isn’t exclusive to conservatives or liberals. We’re not here to repeat talking points from The Daily Wire or The Daily Show. We made it for White people, not a political or media ideology. The Spillway exists to make sense of this changing social landscape while creating meaningful spaces for White people to talk, think, and explore conversations of race without shame or judgment. As White people, we often didn’t grow up thinking about race. And when we talked about racism, it was usually only in history class, not around our nightly kitchen table. At The Spillway, we are trying to build racial literacy within White culture. And we’re going to do that by centering understanding, compassion, empathy, love, and patience in our work. Not supremacy. Not shame. So we're going to talk to experts, public thinkers, academics, and everyday White people, each of us trying to make sense of this ever-changing social landscape as White people. All of this with the goal of healing our traumas and preventing the trauma of others.