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My name is Fritz McAlinden and this is The State Between Us, the anti-fascist podcast for dark dives into the ruling class insanity and fashy political cultures as well as our defenses against them through mutual aid and building each other up, sharing knowledge, and connecting the disparate voices in our overlapping struggles. Also TTRPGs, Sci-Fi, and other nerd shit. Let's get weird with it!

  1. Jul 21

    33. World-Historical Mischief w/ Marcus Rediker

    Fritz's favorite historian, Marcus Rediker, joins The State Between Us to unearth long-lost nautical stories of bold and brilliant people liberating themselves from American slavery in the 19th century, and the incredible revolutionary life and fight of the 18th century Quaker, Benjamin Lay. Blood-spewing bibles, sailor solidarity, clever conspiracies, and the ruling-class' paranoid scramble to retain their inhuman systems of control await! Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events.Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social‬Instagram: thestatebetweenuspodEmail: thestatebetweenus@proton.meYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod This episode focuses on these excellent titles by Marcus Rediker, but check out his website for a full list of his work:*The Many-Headed Hydra: Sailors, Slaves, Commoners, and the Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic. Co-authored by Peter Linebaugh. Beacon Press, 2000.*The Fearless Benjamin Lay: The Quaker Dwarf Who Became the First Revolutionary Abolitionist. Beacon Press, 2017.*Freedom Ship: The Uncharted History of Escaping Slavery by Sea. Viking Press, 2025. Intro Song: "Follow The Drinking Gourd" performed by Roger McGuinn feat. Nedra Talley Ross (2005). Here it here!Outro Song: "Cello and Voice" by Ramona Additional Music from ghost collar, pixabay.com, ramona, archive.org and koleso neštastia.

  2. Jul 14

    32. Pranking Fascists in the Salvadoran Civil War w/ Sal Ibarra of Widows of the Night

    Fritz's old friend, Salvador Ibarra of the new anti-fascist rock band Widows of the Night, joins the show to discuss his childhood during the brutal civil war in El Salvador (1979-1992). Son of a prominent lawyer for the left revolutionaries and unrepentant prankster, Sal and his siblings were witness to the atrocities of WACL-fascist Roberto D'Aubuisson's anti-communist forces. Salvador discusses how his childhood experiences informed his album, Subversives (2026). Subscribe for free at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs! [Content warning: graphic references to war, torture, mass murder, infanticide, and sexual violence] Tracks from Subversives played in this show [in order with links]'Black Eternal Night''Widows of the Night''A Pistol and Wine''Death to Tyrants''Against the Centuries' Listen to Subversives by Widows of the NightFollow them on YouTube and Instagram! The badass Jennifer Casolo in 1989 Death squad leader and fascist psycho Roberto D'Aubuisson Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events.Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social‬Instagram: thestatebetweenuspodEmail: thestatebetweenus@proton.meYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod Additional Music from youtube, pixabay.com, and koleso neštastia. Reading: Anderson, Scott, and Jon Lee Anderson. Inside the League. Dodd, Mead, 1986. #ElSalvador #CivilWar #podcast #WidowsOfTheNight #fascism #antifascism

  3. Jul 7

    31. Collapse and the Communist Core w/ Richard Hames of Novara Media

    Stepping away for a moment from his Novara Media series, Do Your Own Research, Richard Hames joins Fritz to explain the study of "Critical Collapsology" and what exactly 'collapse' really means. Richard talks about the limits of past studies of collapse, the problem of historical scales and comparisons (Indigenous America, the Roman Empire, the Bronze Age, etc.), and need to understand the "communist core" at the heart of our contest for the future. Check out Richard Hames' Do Your Own Research on Novara Media here or on YouTube! Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events.Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social‬Instagram: thestatebetweenuspodEmail: thestatebetweenus@proton.meYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod Key readings:"Our Theory of Collapse" by Richard Hames and Beau-Caprice Vetch. Crude Futures, 2025.Grove, Jarius Victor. Savage Ecology: War and Geopolitics at the End of the World. Duke UP, 2019. Books co-authored by Richard as "Sam Moore" with Alex Roberts of 12 Rules for What:Post-Internet Far Right. Dog Section Press. 2022.The Rise of Ecofascism: Climate Change and the Far Right. Polity. 2022. Join Richard's Substack (with links to his lectures and other essays)https://crudefutures.substack.com/ Opening song: "So Long, It's Been Good to Know Yuh" by Woody Guthrie (1940)Closing song: " The Praties They Grow Small" performed by Carolyn Hester (1963) Also featuring music from koleso neštastia. Check out their new album on Bandcamp! #podcast #novara #collapse #RichardHames #CriticalTheory #marxism #ecology #anthropology #society

  4. Jun 5

    29. Revenge of the WASP II: UFOs and that Old-Money Woo

    Fritz, still worried about what Tucker Carlson and JD Vance have in store for the post-MAGA right, uncovers the old WASP spiritual foundations of the American mythology around UFOs/UAPs/Flying Saucers, etc.. From a Swedish Psychic Astronaut in the 18th century, through the upper-class salons of the (2nd?) Theosophical Society in the 19th, and the fashy UFO cults of the early-20th, UFO-ology's origins are all about woo-woo, Christian mysticism, fantasy 'science' fiction, and the old money of WASP elites of the past. Special thanks to the cast!Karl Marx played by Settembrini of Zock Bock RadioWilliam Rathborne Greg played by Pádraig Ó Ruairc of Burn Them Out!: A History of Fascism and the Far Right in IrelandHelena Blavatsky played by Leah Reading: [check out the patreon page later for additional citations!]◇ Barkun, Michael. A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America. 2nd ed., UC Press, 2013.◇ -- Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. UNC Press, 1996.◇ Madden, Deborah. The Religious Politics of Prophecy. History of European Ideas. Issue 24. Elsevier, 2008.◇ Paley, Morton D. "A New Heaven is Begun": William Blake and Swedenborgianism. Blake/An Illustrated Quarterly, Volume 13, Issue 2. 1979. Other Links:◇ Recommended video essays on Theosophy and I AM Activity by Weird Reads with Emily Louise◇ Fritz and Setti talk Heinlein and Cambellian Sci-Fi on Zock Bock Radio episode 61, "America is a Harsh Mistress" Music:Intro Song: Crystal Cave by SNIFFAH (2025)Closing Song: The Buchanan Brothers - When You See Those Flying Saucers (1947)Also including music by SNIFFAH, Ramona, Koleso Nešťastia, and pixabay.org. #Swedenborgism, #UFOs, #UAPs, #Tucker, #Vance, #Theosophy, #Spiritualism

  5. May 12

    28. Class War and Counterinsurgency in Appalachia: The '84 Massey Coal Strike w/ Ashley Nguyen

    From 1984 to '85, both sides of the Tug Fork river on the West Virginia / Kentucky border were occupied by private security forces, green berets, mercenaries, and other muscle for the bosses to terrorize striking coal miners under the UMWA. Historian Ashley Nguyen joins TSBU to explain how the tactics of class warfare that beset the Massey strikers were part of the larger global counterinsurgency terror that defined American imperialism during the Cold War. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events.Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social‬Instagram: thestatebetweenuspodEmail: thestatebetweenus@proton.meYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPodArmed and ready on the picket... trench? "A European hired as a security guard monitors video cameras used as part of a surveillance system at a coal mine in Sidney, Ky. " SoF 1986 "The more it hurt, the stronger I got...": Shot miner interviewed in Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986. Soldier of Fortune (SoF), Sept. 1986. *Ep includes an interview clip with Nomonde Ngubo of the National Union of Mineworkers of South Africa, featured in the documentary Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986. Reading:Burton, Orisanmi. Tip of the spear : black radicalism, prison repression, and the long Attica revolt. UCP, Oakland, 2023.Camp, Jordan T. Incarcerating the Crisis: Freedom Struggles and the Rise of the Neoliberal State. UCP, 2016.Schrader, Stuart. Badges Without Borders: How Global Counterinsurgency Transformed American Policing. UCP, 2019. Cold open song: "The Black Eternal Night" by Widows of the Night. Subversives, Electric Fields, 2026.Intro song: Title unknown, performer unknown. Clipped from Mine War on Blackberry Creek, 1986.Outro song: "The Tale of the Dragon", unknown performer. > Linked here Also featuring music from koleso neštastia and pixabay.com

  6. May 6

    27. May Day, 1950: When the USSR Invaded Wisconsin w/ Nick Graf

    Researcher Nick Graf joins The State Between Us to talk about the strangest May Day celebration the Midwestern United States ever had. In 1950, the American Legion organized a "high-effort LARP", transforming the small town of Mosinee, Wisconsin into the avant-garde of the "United Soviet States of America", complete with borscht, detention camps, and mock executions on "Red Square". *note: Nick points out that he said the editor's name was "Bill Schweinler" when in fact it was "Francis Schweinler". Stay tuned to Nick's YT page to catch his coming documentary when it drops! Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events.Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social‬Instagram: thestatebetweenuspodEmail: thestatebetweenus@proton.meYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod

  7. Apr 21

    26. Lore Dump: Robert Welch, Revilo P. Oliver, and Willis Carto vs. Buckley's New Right

    As Tucker Carlson splits the Right into weirder and more racist directions, TSBU examines a precedent to this contemporary moment occurring in the 1950s and '60s. William F. Buckley and his National Review cultivated a complex... 'frenemyship'?... with the hyper-conspiratorial N.A.M.-leader Robert Welch and his John Birch Society and the cringe-inducing fascist nerd, the classicist Revilo P. Oliver. This web of allyship and conflict opened a space for a return of classic racist and antisemitic activism with the rise of Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby which directly created William Luther Pierce's infamous National Alliance, and the decades of neonazi horror that followed it. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events.Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social‬Instagram: thestatebetweenuspodEmail: thestatebetweenus@proton.meYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheStateBetweenUsPod Music:Intro and Outro by the Chad Mitchell TrioAlso featuring music from koleso neštastia, pixabay.com, archive.org, and fesliyanstudios.com

  8. Apr 9

    25. Revenge of the WASP pt. 1: The Tucker Diaries

    25. Revenge of the WASP pt. 1: The Tucker DiariesFritz fears the rise of the post-Trump right, arguing that a fashy new take on the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant with some worrying and familiar characteristics is on the rise, and begins an investigation into the Revenge of the WASP with a look at Tucker Carlson, his notable rise on the MAGA right, his weirdo mystical racist beliefs, and how those beliefs tie him to a movement of WASP revanchists, including the Vice President, who suggest a very dark future on the horizon. Like it? Share it! Connect to The State Between Us at patreon.com/TheStateBetweenUs for more episodes, exclusive content, and live events.Bluesky: @thestatebetweenus.bsky.social‬Instagram: thestatebetweenuspodEmail: thestatebetweenus@proton.me Photograph: Patrick T Fallon/AFP/Getty Images retrieved from theguardian.com Reading:*Barkun, Michael. Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement. UNCP, Chapel Hill, 1996.*Gross, Michael. Flight of the WASP: The Rise, Fall, and Future of America's Original Ruling Class. Atlantic Monthly Press, 2023.*Schrag, Peter. The Decline of the WASP. Simon & Schuster, 1971.*Zengerle, Jason. Hated By All The Right People: Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling of the Conservative Mind. Crooked Media Reads, 2026. Music by koleso neštastia and Ramona as well as from pixabay.com and fesliyanstudios.com

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My name is Fritz McAlinden and this is The State Between Us, the anti-fascist podcast for dark dives into the ruling class insanity and fashy political cultures as well as our defenses against them through mutual aid and building each other up, sharing knowledge, and connecting the disparate voices in our overlapping struggles. Also TTRPGs, Sci-Fi, and other nerd shit. Let's get weird with it!

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    The State Between Us
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    2026
  • Episodes
    32
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