The Strategy Layer Live

Steve Tout

The Strategy Layer Live helps CISOs and cybersecurity leaders rise above the noise and drive measurable business value. Hosted by Identient, this podcast explores how to lead with intelligence, influence, and clarity—aligning security with the priorities that matter. It’s not just about protection—it’s about performance.

Episodes

  1. Two Birds, One Podcast: AI, Governance, and the Road Ahead

    12/18/2025

    Two Birds, One Podcast: AI, Governance, and the Road Ahead

    Send us a text In this episode of The Strategy Layer Live, Steve  sits down with Richard Bird—multi-time CISO, former Chief Customer Information Officer at Ping Identity, author, and current Chief Security Officer at Singulr—for a conversation that pushes beyond conventional cybersecurity narratives. For the first time on the podcast, an AI digital twin takes an active speaking role, opening the episode with a blunt assessment of where cybersecurity thinking has already fallen behind. From there, the discussion moves into the strategic implications of AI across cybercrime, governance, leadership, and careers. This episode explores how AI is reshaping the threat landscape faster than most organizations are prepared for, why governance failures are increasingly systemic rather than technical, and what leadership looks like when machines operate at scale and speed. The conversation also turns personal, with reflections on Richard’s book Famous With 12 People and the legacy he hopes to leave behind. Key Topics Discussed AI Digital Twins in Leadership Conversations What it means when AI systems don’t just assist—but actively participate in strategic dialogue.AI and the Acceleration of Cybercrime How attackers are using AI as force multiplication while many organizations reduce human defenders.Shadow AI and Unfinished Security Work Why decades of unfinished IT and security projects created the conditions for today’s AI risk.Governance Failures Are Systemic, Not Technical How leadership blind spots—not tooling—are driving AI governance gaps.Identity, Access, and Ownership in an AI World Why diffuse responsibility leads to no accountability when AI systems act at scale.The Future of Consulting and Verified Intelligence How AI is reshaping advisory work and exposing performative expertise.Career Strategy and Influence Insights from Famous With 12 People on building impact through depth, clarity, and relevance.Legacy and Leadership Richard’s reflections on service, contribution, and what comes next beyond titles and roles.Insightful Takeaways AI rewards preparedness, not optimism. Attackers are using AI to move faster and more efficiently; organizations that fail to adapt governance and defenses will see the results in loss curves.Shadow AI is a leadership problem before it’s a technology problem. Uncontrolled AI use is the predictable outcome of years of tolerated sprawl and unfinished security work.Cutting people while attackers scale with AI is a dangerous asymmetry. AI augments those who use it strategically—and penalizes those who remove human judgment from critical systems.Governance must evolve from policy to ownership. When everyone owns identity, risk, or AI outcomes, accountability disappears.Impact comes from depth, not scale. Leadership, influence, and career growth are built by being meaningful to a few—not visible to everyone.Legacy is defined by service, not status. The most durable contribution comes from helping others move forward—especially in moments of uncertainty and change.🎧 Listen to the full episode of The Strategy Layer Live Subscribe at StrategyLayer.com or wherever you listen to podcasts.

    55 min
  2. Running Toward Impact: Lessons In Leadership with Bill Kehoe

    12/03/2025

    Running Toward Impact: Lessons In Leadership with Bill Kehoe

    Send us a text In this episode of The Strategy Layer Live, Steve sits down with Bill Kehoe, Chief Information Officer for Washington State, for a rare, wide-ranging conversation recorded in person. Bill reflects on a career spanning state, county, and local government — and the leadership lessons he learned along the way. From transforming the DMV experience in the early 2000s, to championing digital equity and modernizing resident identity services, to leading with calm resolve in the face of cybersecurity threats, Bill shares what it means to serve with purpose in the digital age. What We Cover in This Episode Bill’s early path into public service and what has kept him committed for decadesThe turning-point projects that shaped his leadership philosophyLessons from running and coaching — discipline, strategy, and individual developmentThe bold vision behind digital equity and the Resident PortalModernization without fear: incremental change, customer experience, and agile deliveryThe Resident Portal Challenge and the future of procurement innovationMulti-vendor collaboration and why competition can create better outcomesThe CIO–CISO partnership and shared responsibility for cybersecurityLeading through complexity with calm, clarity, and trustBill’s reflections on legacy, public service, and the next generation of leadersHow AI is reshaping responsibility, decision-making, and efficiency in governmentQuote of the Show: “I’m the front lines for everything that happens — good or bad — and I consider myself accountable and responsible for everything that goes on in my agency and in technology in the state.” - Bill KehoeLinks: https://watech.wa.gov/https://www.linkedin.com/in/william-kehoe-a37a0714b/ #PublicSectorLeadership #GovernmentTechnology #CybersecurityLeadership

    55 min
  3. The Next-Gen CISO: Leading Beyond Risk and Certs with Jimmy Sanders

    08/22/2025

    The Next-Gen CISO: Leading Beyond Risk and Certs with Jimmy Sanders

    Send us a text In this episode of The Strategy Layer Live, we sit down with one of the most respected and candid voices in cybersecurity today — Jimmy Sanders. Jimmy is the CISO of Save Mart overseeing more than 200 stores across the West Coast, the former CISO of Netflix DVD, and the current President of ISSA International — giving him a rare, global vantage point on how the role of CISO is being redefined in real time. But this conversation isn’t just about job titles. It’s about transformation. Together, Steve and Jimmy dive into how the CISO role is shifting from technician to strategist, why governance frameworks often crumble under real-world politics, and what it takes to lead when budgets are flat, expectations are exponential, and trust is the only currency that matters. What we cover in this episode: Why automation must come before AI — and how to prepare your team for agentsThe hidden costs of being “just the technician” instead of the strategic partnerThe politics of governance and why frameworks often fail without enforcementHow to measure human-centered risk: burnout, fatigue, and decision frictionWhy trust and presence — not titles — determine whether you get heard at the board levelThe future of the CISO: from risk manager to Chief Trust Officer, or even CIOWhether you’re leading your first security team or steering global strategy, this episode will challenge you to rethink what leadership looks like when the CISO’s true mandate is to create resilience, not just reduce risk. Visit www.strategylayer.com for more episodes like this.

    56 min
  4. Co-Morbid Poisoning of the CISO Role: What Comes Next?

    05/20/2025

    Co-Morbid Poisoning of the CISO Role: What Comes Next?

    Send us a text In Episode 2 of The Strategy Layer Live, we dig into one of the most urgent — and least acknowledged — leadership challenges in cybersecurity today. The CISO role isn’t dying. But it is being slowly redefined, compressed, and undermined by structural misalignment, rising board expectations, and misused metrics. What one security executive called the “co-morbid poisoning” of the role has become a shared, often unspoken reality for many cybersecurity leaders — especially those navigating the tension between visibility and actual control. In this episode, host Steve Tout, Founder & CEO of Identient, sits down with Steve Zalewski, former CISO of Levi Strauss & Co., trusted advisor, and respected voice in the cybersecurity leadership community. Together, they unpack how the CISO role is being reshaped — not by failure, but by a system that was never built to support sustainable, high-impact security leadership in the first place. 📌 What we cover in this episode: The origins of the term co-morbid poisoning and why it resonates now more than everHow modern CISOs are over-indexed on responsibility and under-indexed on authorityThe role of frameworks, dashboards, and performance theater in eroding trustWhat aspiring and seasoned CISOs alike need to understand about governance driftHow Strategic Performance Intelligence (SPI) can anchor the next evolution of security leadershipReflections on RSA Conference and how many “leadership” panels are missing the real conversationThis conversation directly inspired a chapter in Steve Tout’s upcoming book,  The CISO On The Razor’s Edge: Leading Cybersecurity When the System Is Designed to Break — launching June 2 on Amazon. 🎯 Whether you’re a CISO, CIO, or cybersecurity executive navigating the shifting expectations of your role — or you're simply trying to lead with more clarity in an increasingly fragmented environment — this episode will give you language, perspective, and energy for what’s next. 📘 Pre-order the book or download a free chapter: https://tout.media 🧠 Join the SPI 360 Executive Circle: https://www.identient.ai/slack 🌐 Learn more: https://identient.ai

    57 min
  5. Metrics as Loaded Weapons: Secrets from a 7x CIO

    01/21/2025

    Metrics as Loaded Weapons: Secrets from a 7x CIO

    Send us a text In the premiere episode of The Identient Podcast, Steve Tout sits down with Mark Settle, a seven-time CIO and author of Truth from the Trenches, to explore the dual-edged power of metrics in IT leadership. Mark shares how metrics, when mismanaged, become "loaded weapons" that create unintended consequences—but when designed thoughtfully, they drive alignment, continuous improvement, and strategic impact. They delve into fostering security culture, balancing operational excellence with strategic initiatives, and avoiding the pitfalls of typecasting. Tune in for actionable insights that redefine how CIOs and CISOs approach Identity and Access Management and IT leadership. Key Takeaways CIOs must design metrics that align with business goalsBehavioral metrics can lead to unanticipated consequencesA culture of continuous improvement is essential for IT successSecurity culture starts within the IT organizationAggregate metrics can obscure individual contributionsCIOs need to balance operational efficiency with strategic initiativesUnderstanding customer perspectives is crucial for effective IT managementExpectations for IT performance are continually risingMetrics should evolve with changing business conditionsBuilding relationships across departments enhances IT effectivenessStreet credibility increases with hands-on involvementEcho chambers can help assess team alignmentCultural alignment is crucial for cybersecurity initiativesCIOs play a vital role in cybersecurity budgetingRisk profiles dictate cybersecurity prioritiesA Chief Identity Officer may not be necessarySelf-assessment is key for tech leaders' successTechnical skills may atrophy in leadership rolesAccountability is essential for team moraleLearning from failures can drive personal growth Episode Chapters Introduction to the ConversationThe Role of Metrics in IT ManagementDynamic Metrics and Behavioral ChangeCreating a Culture of Continuous ImprovementThe Importance of Security CultureBalancing Business Value and Employee SatisfactionPolitical Skills for CIOsBuilding Relationships and Understanding NeedsNavigating the Echo Chamber: Internal vs External PerspectivesManaging Identity and Access Management (IAM) at OktaCultural Alignment and Support in CybersecurityThe Role of CIOs in Cybersecurity BudgetingThe Case for a Chief Identity OfficerSelf-Assessment for Tech Leaders: Avoiding TypecastingLearning from Failures: The Importance of Accountability For show notes and more episodes, visit www.identient.ai/podcast

    53 min

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The Strategy Layer Live helps CISOs and cybersecurity leaders rise above the noise and drive measurable business value. Hosted by Identient, this podcast explores how to lead with intelligence, influence, and clarity—aligning security with the priorities that matter. It’s not just about protection—it’s about performance.