The Technical Founder

Ryan Rosztoczy

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  1. 10/26/2023

    Galen Marchetti - CEO, Kurtosis

    Welcome back to another episode of The Technical Founder, the show where I meet with founders to deconstruct and demystify the art and science of building technology businesses My guest today is Galen Marchetti. Galen is the CEO of Kurtosis - a platform for packaging and launching environments for distributed applications. Before working at Kurtosis, Galen worked at Palantir where he first encountered the problems that would inspire Kurtosis and met his co-founder. Most recently, Galen has been leading his team through experimentation and execution of a series of go-to-market initiatives, and that is where our discussion will focus. Please, enjoy. Highlights * Building distributed applications with Kurtosis CEO Galen * Improving development environments for large-scale systems. 2:48 * Expanding a niche product into new markets. 15:19 * Trust and planning in startup expansion. 21:04 * Decision-making and gut feelings in business. 30:44 * Entrepreneurship, product development, and decision-making. 37:28 * Marketing strategies for early-stage startups. 45:41 * Coding, dopamine, and decision-making. 1:03:12 Transcript SUMMARY KEYWORDS company, working, market, environment, product, problem, devops, kurtosis, abstraction layers, set, talking, anti fragile, niche, palantir, shipped, good, blockchain, path, great, book SPEAKERS Galen (70%), Ryan (30%)  Ryan Rosztoczy 0:12Welcome to the technical founder welcome back to another episode of the technical founder The show where I meet with founders to deconstruct and demystify the art and science of building technology businesses. My guest today is Galen Marchetti is the CEO of Kurtosis. Kurtosis is a platform for packaging and launching environments for distributed applications. Think of it as Docker for distributed applications. I met Galen at a coffee shop through our mutual friend will McClellan in Mexico City, we immediately hit it off, his ideas are typically clear, often counterintuitive, and thoughtfully, boundary pushing. We met through a mutual friend Well, having coffee, and it was kind of a surprise, but I thought we just had the greatest conversation. Like there was so much so many nuggets of like wisdom and insight in there about engineering startups that I feel like this is gonna be a great conversation. So super happy to have you. Galen Marchetti 1:25Yeah, of course. I mean, it's, I had been thinking a lot about that lately. In the context of like, the last couple of weeks about works, so happy to dive in, rehash the composition, talk about other stuff, like whatever, whatever makes the most amount of sense for him. Yeah, awesome. Ryan Rosztoczy 1:41Okay, I'll get we can start with, I would just love to hear an intro, maybe a little bit of your background, and you can introduce us through ketosis. And then, and then we've got a couple of topics go market engineering stuff that we'd love to touch on. So let's start with, with your background, I tested the origin Galen Marchetti 2:01story. Absolutely. Background, I'll start from the careers probably the most interesting. I first worked at Palantir, right out of college, I was a forward deployed engineer means software engineering, but in the context specifically of a client, or both at a glance, worked there for five and a half years. That's where I met my co founder. And him and I worked together on a couple of projects. And when we were at Palantir, we saw some of the problems that were the seed the what regardless, okay, and you know, what Kurtosis is, does this is the company that I thought her and I are working on right now, it's a Developer Tool Company. And the goal is, the mission of the company is to make building a distributed system, as easy as building a single server application. And, you know, at Palantir, we work with a lot of large scale systems. And anytime you're running binaries across more than one machine, and you your system is composed of multiple different containers, different computers paired together, the complications of setting up development environments, testing environments, moving home cohesively, or those environments makes everything such a pain, the iteration cycles get long. And developers love quick iteration cycles. Experience just degrades pretty quickly. And that results in like, you know, slowing them down coding velocity, but also mistakes, things get shipped that should have gotten shipped that wouldn't have gotten shipped if you had a development experience that was more similar to what you would get if you were building just a single binary. So Potosi is kind of we set out to tackle this like large problem. And we we've seen that problem before, but we never had an indication, because you know, we weren't entrepreneurs before. We were just, you know, working at our jobs. And we first got the market insight, market insight that there's something really like, tangible here. When we started working with the with Abbott Labs, and Abu Dhabi told me the Herbalife blockchain, and they opened up a grant. They wanted to do end to end testing for their blockchain and those testbeds. They involve spinning up multiple different nodes and manipulate them in different ways to make sure the guarantees of the system were correct. More or less similar stuff that we had seen before, at Palantir. But in the context of the blockchain, and you know, we hopped on the opportunity, and the rest is kind of Ryan Rosztoczy 4:34so. So it was that broader vision or mission you talked about that's broader than just web three. Are you guys focused in the web space right now? Do you see yourself as going beyond there? do kind of a vision about that? Yeah, we Galen Marchetti 4:51definitely see ourselves going beyond there. But our focus right now is entirely in serving the web is we're not looking at it. Standing with purpose right now. And the way we're thinking about this is, it's similar to this the structure of how that that book Crossing the Chasm by Geoffrey Moore talks about how startups evolved through markets. And you really need to start in a niche market where where you can really prove out that your product is delivering value to a small, cohesive and dedicated set of users, before attempting to boil the ocean and start slamming in a much, much broader market into the product. And we're still very much in that phase. And, you know, the web Green Market is really an amazing place for us to start because our system, it operates very close to the, to the same layer that Kubernetes operates on. So we sit right above the container orchestrator. And when you're at that layer, there's nothing blockchain about that thing. Yeah, you're just what we're trying to do is make an abstraction layer where developers have a better experience working with complicated setups that getting put into that thing, and some of the most complicated so that's from a DevOps perspective, or in the space. It's all decentralized in the sense of like the organization's running the software, so on, you don't really have a centralized DevOps team. In most cases, that controls what the main net of a cerium looks like. Because there's tons of different people that are contributing what that mean, that looks like, wow, you like set out an architecture that the you know, the foundation, or like the the lead designer of one, they hit. But it's chaos. Everyone's putting stuff into production, like Facebook does are gone that way. Facebook has like one DevOps team, or like function that like organizes how that works. It's a little bit chaotic, definitely because of the scale. But there's still a centralized organizer on rails in the blockchain space, you don't have that. So the ability to make really clean abstraction layers for DevOps personnel is essential in order to provide a good developer experience there, which makes it a great proving ground for all this stuff, man. Ryan Rosztoczy 7:09Yeah. Oh, oh, my God, I have so many thoughts, right, now that I just explained all that. Yeah. And to you, I'm a little bit too naive to talk about it intelligently. But I think it just really hits me like, like sent DevOps on a centralized function is probably probably long term, just like an artifact of people organization. That, and maybe not the ultimate correct solution to like, working out layer. Galen Marchetti 7:40Yeah. And it's not always like, it's definitely not a centralized launching of about three spades. But even in many traditional organizations, the DevOps is very chaotic, and not in a bad way. But it's chaotic in the sense that you want to give every individual team working under a large word, the autonomy to be able to ship their clothes without having to check in like all the time, that's one like DevOps dictator. So you do have this degree, you could call it federalized, more than decentralized, but it's still not necessarily a single point of control usually have this federalize autonomy, the ship your code into production, or staging or into Canary, or wherever you would be shipping it. So being able to bridge those communication boundaries between those teams is one of the main like problems. Dev and Ops like this is always like the reason it's called DevOps. It's because you want to combine like Dev, and I'll tell you guys, so the dev team and the ops team on like two different things. And now we'll be added to the dev ops. And when he feels like there definitely Ryan Rosztoczy 8:45seems like a join table. Exactly. Galen Marchetti 8:47It's, it didn't exactly do what it intended to do, because DevOps became a different function that developers and now you have the same divide happening. And I think that's natural, it's going to happen. But I do believe we can build tools and abstraction layers that make that communication gap, way nicer way easier. You can put a lot of stuff into software that is currently held in in this conversation. Ryan Rosztoczy 9:16Is there a world where like DevO

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  2. 04/19/2023

    Doug Coors [CEO, Edel Golf] - The power of shared vision, conquering waves, and finding the perfect swing

    Welcome back to another episode of The Technical Founder, the show where I meet with founders to deconstruct and demystify the art and science of building technology businesses My guest today is Doug Coors. Doug is the CEO of Edel Golf - a company that makes custom golf clubs personalized to each player's specific swing. You may be asking - golf clubs? I thought this was a show about technical founders? Buckle up. Doug has made his career in business and entrepreneurship in solving a series of innovative technical and business problems. He brought highly sophisticated ceramics to market with CoorsTek, tamed the physics of waves with NLand, and with his most recent acquisition Doug is bringing the codified results of sophisticated athletic analysis to golf players across the country. Please, enjoy. Doug Coors [CEO, Edel Golf] - The power of shared vision, conquering waves, and finding that perfect swing 0:00 /75:55 1× Highlights [19:49] People skills are critical in business [44:02] Doug's first foray into entrepreneurship after a career in business [53:03] Overcoming big obstacles [109:32] A masterclass on how to launch a business venture in a new domain Transcript (Provided by Otter.AI) SUMMARY KEYWORDS people, patents, golf, wave, problems, create, company, product, year, technology, surf, surfing, liner, work, doug, talk, business, innovate, park, ended SPEAKERS Ryan Rosztoczy, Doug Coors 00:12 Welcome to the technical founder Ryan Rosztoczy  00:25 welcome back to another episode of the technical founder, the show where I meet with founders to deconstruct and demystify the art and science of building technology businesses. My guest today is Doug Coors. Doug is the CEO of Adel golf company that makes custom golf clubs personalized to each person specific swing. So you may be asking golf clubs, I thought this was a show about technical founders. Well buckle up. Doug has made his career in business and entrepreneurship by solving some truly challenging technical and business problems. Doug is brought highly sophisticated ceramics that can withstand an earthly temperatures to market with course, tech. He's tamed the physics of waves to bring the US its first serve park with inland in Austin, Texas. And with his most recent acquisition, Doug is codified the results of sophisticated athletic analysis into a manufactured hard goods product. Doug is one of those entrepreneurs who you can rightly call a force of nature. I think you'll see what I mean from our chat, and I hope you enjoy it just as much as I did. Hey, Doug, thanks for coming on the show. Doug Coors  01:43 Hi, Ryan. Thanks for having me. This is awesome. Yeah, for sure. My first or second podcast. Ryan Rosztoczy  01:49 Awesome. I'll take that as compliment. Yes, so okay. I mean, I have a ton of stuff that we're going to talk about, like really, really excited to get into your career, the way of park. But I would love if you could just give a little teaser of what you're working on now to start off. Doug Coors  02:16 Oh, so right now i, for the last three years, we're working on a golf equipment company. Del golf, LLC is our our corporate name. And we are just a incredible innovator in the world of golf equipment and how it relates to each individual player. So we can customize solutions for anyone. And it's really exciting to watch and fun to be a part of. Ryan Rosztoczy  02:43 Okay, and I loved when you were telling me about it, some of the details. So when you say like customize the solution for golf, what does that mean? Doug Coors  02:52 Well, each player is different, their body makeups are different, their swing is different, how they approach the game is different, you know, either mentally or what they're trying to accomplish. And we're out to create equipment that works for any individual golfer to make them better at golf. So I mean, our philosophy is, if you can hold more putts, you're going to lower your score. If you can get the ball closer to the green with chipping, then you're gonna lower your score, because you're gonna lower your putts. And if you can have more accurate irons, then you're gonna have more opportunities to make more putts, and you're gonna lower your score. And at the end of the day, we're not in the woods yet, but we're taking a close look at that market as well. Ryan Rosztoczy  03:37 Three. So I mean, basically, it's like, if you can highly customize and optimize the equipment for each player for each part of the game, you can get them to sort of like this optimal state of their golf game. Is that the idea? Doug Coors  03:56 Absolutely, yeah. It's just to help them play, have more fun playing golf, like scoring or beating their friends. Ryan Rosztoczy  04:04 It's so cool. I, I just read this article recently, that was saying we're entering the age of, we went through the age of essentially like optimization via mass manufacturing, and we're entering this age of optimization via mass customization. So it's really cool to see you guys like working on this problem. Doug Coors  04:25 Absolutely. That's kind of where the whole thing's going with all of golf. Really. It's just so much information now with technology out there on ball flights and spins and windows that you can hit with your golf clubs and all kinds of stuff. That's just just now starting to become mainstream. And people really know what their what their clubs are doing based on analyzing ball flights and understanding the data behind what's going on. Ryan Rosztoczy  04:53 So like when you say analyzing it, like what what does it look like? Like you're gonna build a custom Club or somebody, you need a bunch of data in order to make those changes. How do you guys like analyze their game? Well, essentially, Doug Coors  05:10 you can you do it in different ways. So there's a something called a launch monitor, which gives you the ball flight data. And there's also how you how you, your club path and your face angle, angle of attack, and all these things that can be measured on for club data. So we understand not only what's happening with the ball, what's happening with the club, and then we optimize that to create a better face to pass scenario with more clubhead speed and better spin rates, launch angles, descent, angles, all that kind of stuff. Ryan Rosztoczy  05:48 Oh my god, that's so Doug Coors  05:50 kids really fine tune your game, you know, up to, you know, hitting your yardage is perfectly and gapping your clubs completely. I don't know how many, you know, common players are doing that. But it's it's important to know, you know, the, your, your flight data and what your balls doing. So that when you get to the course, you know, really what clubs, you're supposed to be hidden. Ryan Rosztoczy  06:14 Okay, so one of the things that comes to mind just talking about this is like, when this level of optimization becomes impactful, I mean, obviously, like talking about it here for golf, but I think just in general, it's like a curious idea to me, like, we enter this age of mass customization, just how much change is that going to create in the world? So I golf, but let's say I golf, like five times a year, or they're at versus you who is who's sort of a passionate life golfer? Is there a point at which there's this type of customization becomes like one of the only ways you move forward? Or would it be like you're so expert, you know, you get to this level? And suddenly you need this customization? or would this help somebody like me, who's a casual player? Or, you know, anywhere in between me and you? Doug Coors  07:10 Yeah, definitely. It's, it's a cycle. It's an ops as musicians cycle, I guess I'd put it that it's a constant refinement. Right. So for me, I would be refining more often for you, you would want to analyze what you're doing the five times a year what's, what's going on. And so to start with, anybody can be a great putter. It doesn't take extra strength or extra. Anything really, physically, anybody can become a great putter. And so starting there, you could become an awesome putter, even if you only play five times a year. Ryan Rosztoczy  07:52 I never thought about putting is that? That great? democratizer of golf. Doug Coors  08:00 Yeah, it's one of those things. If you become a great putter, people are gonna say you only play five times a year you're cheater or whatever. Because you're rolling putts, and they're like, Well, man, what are you doing? How are you doing that? And so I know a lot of players that don't hit the ball well, but there are amazing putters, and everyone that's been a golfer around you know, the amateur ranks that plays in in what's called a scramble, where everyone gets a shot at the making a hit or the strike or the putt. There's some guys that are just such great putters, I could care less if they can hit a driver or an iron but they're so good at putting that you just want them on your team because you know they're making putts Ryan Rosztoczy  08:45 you get them to the hole and they get you in teamwork, love it. Yeah. Okay, so it's this idea of, of feedback cycles, which is just an awesome, I was awesome concept and technology in general. And basically, I'm gonna have a less if I'm playing less per year. But each time that I am analyzing and optimizing, I'd probably see a big change then I would assume. Doug Coors  09:16 Certainly, and it depends on your dedication to working on it. If if you're going to go just straight out to the golf course and hit five or 10 balls and go to the tee. You're going to have less chance of gaining in that optimal cycle right? So the more you practice or the more you focus on something you can, you can iterate more often and be become better at it. But that being said, there's a lot of things that can happen with understanding how you approach the golf swing, whether it's through biomechanics, or even even some mental mental thoughts as you as you go through Bu

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  3. 02/09/2023

    Mike Flanigan [CEO, Seasats]: Accelerators, Rolling SAFEs and Corporate Rounds

    Welcome to another episode of the technical founder, the show where I meet with engineering founders and we deconstruct and demystify the science and art of building technology businesses. My guest today is Mike Flanigan. Mike is the CEO of Seasats - an autonomous aquatic drone company that manufactures drones used for scientific, commercial, and military use. When we first met, Mike was in Bahrain for the Navy's Digital Horizon event. In addition to a wonderful origin story and some technical topics, in this episode we also cover some serious territory specific to fundraising. Seasats has raised money through accelerators, rolling SAFEs and a $10M corporate round with L3 Harris. I had a blast talking with Mike and cannot wait to see what the SeaSats team accomplishes in the coming years! Mike Flanigan [CEO, SeaSats]: Accelerators, Rolling SAFEs and Corporate Rounds 0:00 /71:15 1× Highlights [10:00] The beginning of autonomous boats [35:00] Techstars [48:00] Rolling SAFEs [55:00] Corporate rounds Transcript (Provided by Otter.AI) SUMMARY KEYWORDS people, company, accelerator, money, techstars, big, autonomous, talking, customer, boat, business, project, engineering, ocean, build, product, bit, super, investors, sensor SPEAKERS Announcer, Ryan Rosztoczy, Mike Flanigan Announcer  00:12 Welcome to the technical founder Ryan Rosztoczy  00:26 Hello again, this is your host Ryan Rosztoczy. Welcome to another episode of the technical founder, the show where I meet with tech founders to deconstruct and demystify the science and art of building technology businesses. My guest today is Mike Flanagan, Mike's the CEO of sea sets, an autonomous aquatic drone company that manufactures drones used for scientific, commercial and military use. If autonomous ocean drones aren't enough for you, in this episode, we cover some serious territory specific to fundraising. CSAT has raised money through accelerators, rolling safes, and a $10 million corporate round with L three, Harris. Without further ado, let's hop in. Here. Hey, awesome to have you on the show. Mike Flanigan  01:16 Thanks. Thanks. Yeah. Glad glad to be on here. Yeah, kicking off. Ryan Rosztoczy  01:21 So one thing I just wanted to mention at the beginning, we can give some context for the audience. But last time I talked to you, you you were in Bahrain. Mike Flanigan  01:31 Yeah, that. Yeah, man. It is. It's funny that that is like a whole, like whole another roller feels like so much has happened with like Christmas and the holidays in between. But yeah, that was last when we first assumed I was in a hotel or mountain Bahrain. Ryan Rosztoczy  01:46 Yeah. So what were you there for? Mike Flanigan  01:50 So out there for the Navy was running an exercise? That's like, yeah, you can look it up online. It's called Digital horizon. And they were hosting an event where they're really trying to up their game and unmanned systems and robotics and AI. So they invented a whole bunch of different it was like 10, to 15, different robotics, all in the maritime space. So both companies, one or two drones, aerial vehicles, and then some AI companies ought to go out there and help them really kind of push forward, push further use of those tools. And like their main focus for that was maritime domain awareness, which, to the commercial world is very similar to like the illegal unregulated fishing kind of mission set. Hmm. Ryan Rosztoczy  02:35 Okay. Okay. So trying to basically just track what's going on in the, in the oceans out there, essentially, Mike Flanigan  02:43 exactly, which makes sense for robotics, if you're always trying to take up the stuff that I would say, just like the 70% time, it's the time where humans are out there waiting. And that is just as expensive as the other stuff and way more boring. And, essentially, you're cutting out all this cost. So like for coastguard ships, or for the Navy, or for a lot of stuff, you're just out there patrolling in the ocean, and you're keeping all these humans, you know, fed happy, healthy, safe. In steel boats. It's pretty expensive. It's pretty difficult, and you're keeping people away from their families. So a much better model kind of of the future is like, hey, you've got all these drones out there. They're kind of seeing what's going on what's normal. And then if something bad happens, it's like, hey, some, either someone's fishing where they shouldn't be or some boat was traveling into someone's waters, where they shouldn't be anything that yeah, there's a lot going on in the world of people getting another waterways and creating global tension. So if you can, that was their hope. It's like, Hey, can we have more patrols understand what's happening in these water waterways? Yeah, take advantage of droughts. Ryan Rosztoczy  03:50 That is a mind blowing thing to think about this, like the 70% time yeah, what during the sort of boring, uneventful periods, you still need something terrifying. It's boring and uneventful. Yeah, I love that. Mike Flanigan  04:06 Yeah, it's like the you know, I can like Hollywood like bank robbery movies. I'm sure there's a scene like this in Ocean's 11 or something. When like, there's a bank of 20 CCTV cameras and some security guard is like supposed to be watching them all. And then you see from the like, over the shoulder video, you see like in the top guy go through, but then it like cuts to the fake video feed. It's like, Oh, if he'd been looking there who would have known? And it's like, okay, that's the case for like, why you need you know, AI running, like on 20 different video streams all at once. Just like it doesn't get tired. It doesn't need to take a sip of coffee. It doesn't need to go to the bathroom. Ryan Rosztoczy  04:41 I love it. Yeah, he took a bite of his doughnut right when George Clooney walks in the door. I don't want to go too deep here, but just out of curiosity, how much doubt all of the different focuses you just talked about robotics AI? What If you guys focus, do you have one or you like an integrated platform? What? What is CSAT? Mike Flanigan  05:05 Good question. So for us, really, we focus on being a platform. So we try to carry mature sensors out into the ocean, we will love working with sensor companies that already have because that means that hit customers exist, like, and when I say sensor companies, I'm talking about, like a water quality sensor like a CTD, or ICA these multiparameter songs that measure like turbidity, or acidity pH like all these different parameters, and is basically Hey, we can go carry that out into the ocean, or like for the Navy, it's like an AI s node, something as simple as that. It's just an antenna. It's collecting traffic on who's in the area who's doing what cameras, basically any kind of mature existing sensor, we can stick those on use this as a truck to carry it out into the ocean and put it where it needs to be. Ryan Rosztoczy  05:56 Okay, awesome. And so you have the drone, and then I assume some software that's driving it, essentially, or? Mike Flanigan  06:03 Yeah, that's a great. So I guess the first thing I said was like, Okay, how do you give a simple answer, it's like, a truck. That's the difficult answer, the more encompassing answer that also captures the second bit of our strategy is we do do a bit of everything. The reason we do that is because customers really like particularly in our field, need vertically integrated solutions that, hey, I want something that solves my problem. They're like, Oh, I don't want another there. Because it's so easy. There's so many different sensors that they can go to and be like, Oh, I can buy this sensor. And I was like, how do you get it? They're like, Okay, now you buy some other thing. And then you need to put them together. And then it's like, who provides the data? It's like, oh, well, you know, go get an account with iridium, the satellite provider, and then great, now you've got to go into your email. Okay, cool. Now I need a data scientist or someone to create a spreadsheet, well, a spreadsheet kind of sucks, can't we have something nice. And so for us, it's really important, like, we always try to do things end to end. So we do. We do both side software, we do communications, we do. Like front end software, like database stuff, we do kind of a dizzying amount, like we do way too wide of a tech stack. But at the end of the day, when it works, like when we've finished a payload integration, when someone's something's like in our run of the mill, library, like earlier today, we had a customer that was like looking to buy some vehicles and go do a mission. And we're okay, we can't, you know, do production timelines, we can't get your new vehicle set. But you can learn this other on we've got another one near you. And you we've already run that pillar that you want to do, like, can you just plug it in? someone's like, how long is that gonna take to integrate some sort of like, man, really, it's like, maybe two hours, like, you know, it's like, screws and cables that you plug in. Like, it's pretty straightforward. We've done it before. So that is kind of like the Grail when it's like, plug and play fast. super straightforward. Ryan Rosztoczy  07:50 Yeah. So it's like, you've got this platform you can accomplish, like, whatever objectives your clients need to. And then with everything around it, you're sort of building like the user interface, like making sure that clients can use it to accomplish what they need to. Mike Flanigan  08:05 Yeah, that's like, our iPhones, like simple like, definitely not. That's a crazy complicated. So much engineering on iPhone. But is it simple for user? Like, yeah, totally. It's like super intuitive. And so that's, it's like, okay, which striving towards that sort of thing. I have a lot of complexity hidden away under there. Ryan Rosztoczy  08:25 Yeah. Well, I'm looking at I'm actually looking at the picture from the one o

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  4. 02/01/2023

    Nicholas Blanchet [CTO, Ohi]: Leading Through Growth, Optimizing for Remote Work, and Doing What Gives You Energy

    Welcome to another episode of the technical founder, the show where I meet with engineering founders and we deconstruct and demystify the science and art of building technology businesses. My guest this episode is Nicholas Blanchet. Nick is the Co-Founder and CTO of Ohi, a platform that enables ultrafast same-day delivery. Nick is a fantastic model for aspiring technical founders. He transitioned from finance into engineering in pursuit of becoming an entrepreneur. His goal moulded how he approached advancing in his career and enabled him to gain experience leading teams in high growth environments at ElleVest. Nick is a systems thinker and this extends beyond his appreciation for optimization problems and software engineering - I found his thoughts on reducing sprint volatility, distributing knowledge, and driving engagement in a remote environment to be very insightful. We also discuss build versus buy, when to tackle technical debt, decision making blindspots, and the importance of minimizing feedback loops. Nicholas Blanchet [CTO, Ohi]: Leading Through Growth, Optimizing for Remote Work, and Doing What Gives You Energy 0:00 /68:00 1× Highlights [4:01] Effective founder dating processes [9:30] Evaluating startup ideas as a founder [19:36] Managing technical debt [24:07] Reducing sprint variability [34:03] Build vs. buy [39:51] Process change management [44:06] Decision frameworks, blind spots, and minimizing feedback loops Transcript (Provided by Otter.AI) Announcer 00:12 Welcome to the technical founder Ryan Rosztoczy  00:25 Hello again, this is your host Ryan Rosztoczy. Welcome to another episode of the technical founder The show where I meet with tech founders to deconstruct and demystify it the science and art of building technology businesses. My guest today is Nick Blanchett, because the CTO and co founder of Ojai a logistics platform that enables same day delivery nationwide. When I was first introduced to Nick, he told me how, when they first started, they were ordering batches of products that office and fulfilling those orders themselves. I just thought that was a great example of doing something that doesn't scale in pursuit of understanding the deep problem. So Nick hits me as somebody who's super deliberate, the Ohio that he leads today is much different, they last fundraise was a $20 million series A in October of 2021. I really hope you enjoy this conversation with Nick. Oh, let's hop in. Nicholas Blanchet  01:24 Ohio is building the platform to make instant commerce happen. We connect ecommerce platforms like Shopify, big commerce among others, to a network of micro warehouses and delivery carriers to enable very fast delivery that can compete and is actually faster and cheaper than, you know FBA or Fulfilled by Amazon and the Amazon promise of prime. So that's what we're doing. We've been doing it for about three years now a little bit longer than that, when Ben and I sat down in a bar for the first time and started mapping out sort of the plan. Ryan Rosztoczy  01:59 Okay, I actually, I do want to talk about that. Singing a bar mapping down the plan, because when last time we talked, you made it pretty clear to me. I mean, sounds like you've always had your gut, your eyes set on being an entrepreneur. But you mentioned that a lot of the idea came from Ben. And so I'm curious, like, what did that meeting look like? Did he have an idea for Oh, hi, mine is looking for a founder? Why'd you guys get together in a bar and start chatting about this? Nicholas Blanchet  02:31 Yeah, for sure. So it was it's definitely been Ben's idea. He has a great founder story about like, how he came to realize that this needed to happen at the scale that we're trying to achieve. But we were introduced through a mutual friend at the time, Allen, who said, like, hey, Ben's got a great idea. I've started helping him on some of the technical things, but he needed someone to really be a partner with him and building the business. And so that first first meeting was really making sure that we've added together that's super important. The number one reason, the number one of the number one reasons that startups fail is because of founder problems. And that can come from a host of problems. But the personal is definitely one of them. And so we want to make sure that we could we could get along, which became pretty clear, fast. All right. And then the next one was obviously me evaluating the ideas like, Hey, can I poke holes in this? Can I actually add value to what he's trying to do? And that became apparent pretty quickly, too. I have, you know, eight years of startup experience before that, learning from previous startups, like simple reach nella vest, with the idea, like you mentioned, of going and founding my own company. But when you're told a great idea, like what Ben had for Alhaj, it's much it's very nice to be like this. This is a market and an opportunity that we can jump on right now. Super complementary, complementary skill sets, which is something that I think everyone should look for in every aspect of life, but especially when you're founding a company with someone, Ryan Rosztoczy  04:01 I love it. I do we will dive into your career a little bit before I but before we go there, you're right, like founder fit is critical. And so you guys mitigate inertia. How long did it take? Like, did you go through a series of like in person meetings? Or what did that process look like before you felt like Yeah, this guy I really vibe with we can do some good things together. Nicholas Blanchet  04:28 Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, it was pretty informal. It's not like there was a formal dating process. At that point. It was, you know, we had that we kept chatting, texting. I helped him a little bit on some ideas that he was walking through. You know, just like in the dating life, being introduced to a close friend is super helpful. And so, you know, I took a lot of faith that that my friend had a lot of respect for Ben. And, you know, it all sort of matched up pretty quickly. So I think it It probably took like four or maybe five months total, like, be set be like me quitting my job and then deciding to join him as a co founder. And that that first introduction. But there was a, there's a bunch of different conversations that we had between there making sure that we're aligned in a couple different ways. And we wouldn't mind sitting next to each other for a very long time. Ryan Rosztoczy  05:23 Did the dating analogy is amazing to me? Partially, because if it works out, you end up spending your lives together. Nicholas Blanchet  05:31 You spend a lot of time together for sure. Yeah. Every every every early stage company, you know, maybe not nowadays with the remote world. But, you know, we sat together for hours and hours. Like, at that point, I wasn't married, but I was spending more time with him and my now wife. Ryan Rosztoczy  05:49 Yeah, well, I mean, the other thing, too, is just really resonates with your process, which sounds very organic is I've seen things recently, it was like, I saw an article on LinkedIn that was like, five, co founder dates to have before you make a decision, you know, to cover all the bases. And I was like, Oh, that seems very structured. But the heuristic of being introduced to someone through your network, I think, eliminates a lot of the need for that structure, because you sort of have this filter of trust of evaluation of their character that has it sort of he's already gone through that. Right. If your friend is introducing you and recommending him, you don't necessarily need the hyper structure framework for evaluating someone. Nicholas Blanchet  06:36 Yeah, I think that I think that's certainly true. But I do think that the conversations that we had probably answered a lot of the questions that you found in that article, I was I was asking you about like long term objectives, like, you know, where he thinks he's particularly strong, where he needs help, like, we did a lot of the sort of informal slash formal questions. We just didn't have like an interview setting. It was it was a little bit less formal than than that. But we did make sure we covered a lot of grounds there. And that, and he was intentional about it, too. Ryan Rosztoczy  07:14 I love it. Nicholas Blanchet  07:15 I get the impression that it was just randomness. And it's working out really well, right now, because of that. It's a lot of things that need to align there, it is a hard thing to evaluate. Ryan Rosztoczy  07:25 So so obviously comes in, you know, he's evaluating you. You're evaluating him, but you had specific things you're looking for in the idea. Do you remember any thing that really stuck out to you, that you were looking for that you saw in his vision for Oh, hi. Nicholas Blanchet  07:45 Yeah, there's, I think I was sort of developing a structure for evaluating startup ideas. Selfishly, for my own ideas, I was trying to figure out which of my ideas had any sort of feet behind them, which ones I wanted to spend time on. And so I used a lot of those same sort of frameworks or questions for any idea that was presented to me. And I still do that a decent amount with different startups that that I look at, but one of the market sizes, you know, one quick one is just like, is this a marketing opportunity? But I think one of the things that I've realized, more importantly, than just like the TAM, or the market opportunity, is the timing. Is this the right time? Is there a technology advancement that is enabling this uniquely for right now? You know, instant commerce is not a brand new idea, you know, it's a relatively old and reused one. But one thing that I recognized with the timing now is, you know, the Ubers, and TaskRabbit, has changed sort of the labor structure underlying how delivery can happen. And if you look at UPS versus FedEx, as just to sort of neighbouring delivery sol

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  5. 01/18/2023

    Julianna Lamb [CTO, Stytch]: Decision Making, Founder Market Fit, and Building a Company From The Start

    Welcome to another episode of the technical founder, the show where I meet with engineering founders and we deconstruct and demystify the science and art of building technology businesses. My guest this episode is Julianna Lamb. Julianna met her co-founder Reed McGinley-Stempel while they worked together at Plaid - and they maintained a friendship and correspondence as their careers evolved. This proved incredibly fruitful when, during covid, they realized they had a big opportunity to change the world of authentication. It has been amazing to watch their team scale and improve the product and the engineering behind it. Kudos to Julianna and team - I think you will enjoy this one. ulianna Lamb [CTO, Stytch]: Decision Making, Founder Market Fit, and Building a Company From The Start 0:00 /53:04 1× Highlights [06:29] The beginning of Stytch and Founder Market Fit [17:12] Growing effectively through hyper scale [32:38] Effective self-management through ups and downs [40:12] Rules of Decision Making [50:34] Golden Advice for Future Founders Transcript (Provided by Otter.AI) Announcer  00:12 Welcome to the technical founder Ryan Rosztoczy  00:15 Hello again, this is your host, Ryan Rosztoczy. Welcome to another episode of the technical founder, the show where I meet with tech founders to deconstruct and demystify the science and art of building technology businesses. My guest today is Julianna lamb. Julianna is amazing. She's the CTO of Stytch Stytch is an auth platform that provides simple, really easy to implement API's and SDKs. So developers can set up flexible, secure authentication in minutes, we use such a gather we have from the beginning and love their product. For anyone out there who's had to build, rebuild or evolve some homegrown system like I have, you'll understand just how useful this product is for developers in November of 2021, Stytch raised a $90 million, Series B, which officially made them a unicorn. What is incredible about it, though, is that less than a year earlier, they hadn't even raised this series A yet. Talk about hypergrowth. Julianna Lamb  01:33 Yeah, Stytch is an identity and access management platform, we started the company sort of leaning into modern authentication options like passwordless authentication, we now support sort of a whole range of different products, including passwords themselves. The sort of thesis behind Stytch is that authentication is really frustrating, both for developers to build but also for the end users interacting with it trying to log in to their various applications. And so we wanted to make it much easier, both for people to log in, but also for developers to build their authentication, do so in a way that is secure, it's keeping the bad guys out. But it's making it really easy for those good users who want to get value out of their products, etc. To get access and engage with with the product that you're building. And let you focus on that, instead of spending a bunch of time you know, trying to become an expert in half a dozen different authentication products and spend a bunch of time researching that building it, maintaining it, etc. It will offload all of that to us and, and we handle it all. And you get to Yeah, build whatever is interesting about the product that you're trying to build instead of boring authentication features. Ryan Rosztoczy  02:53 Okay, so couple of things. We don't spend the whole time to choose a product, but I am a huge fan. So I do want to sit in this for a second, which is, I mean, we've you guys, we've used you guys, since the start, like we needed flexible solutions implemented fast. Found you guys super easy to implement great documentation, all that stuff. So huge fan. But when you talk about like handling and keeping the bad guys out and letting us do what we want to do, I've sort of taken that for granted. Like how it changed my mindset. Because before and like earlier gatherer, I was always worried about like, Okay, I'm gonna implement this, where are the holes? What's the problem I'm causing, like, you would almost default, there's this habit of defaulting in the industry to like locking down the gates. Because you just don't want to be at risk. And you don't really understand to a high degree of complexity, like how things work. So but because you guys handle that, and I sort of have faith in your solutions, like that's your bread and butter. When we're thinking about like, auth, we're not thinking how do we keep people out? We're like, how do we do this as flexibly as possible? So it's easy for people so that we can give users what they want. And it's like this whole change in perspective. So anyways, yeah, just is pretty mind blowing. So love what you're doing. Julianna Lamb  04:12 Yeah, I think we're selling authentication products, but also hopefully selling some peace of mind as well, both from like the security perspective, but also the like, reliability perspective, like making sure that that email magic link that your user is getting is landing in their primary Inbox tab at the time to inbox is really low. All of those like last mile details, whether they be on sort of yet the security side of, you know, thinking through every single possible sort of attack vector for account takeovers, or thinking about email deliverability like all of those in the weeds details are the things that we live and breathe every day and you shouldn't be expected to live and breathe. A very different product and you know, thinking about your Um, and user experience and optimizing for that. Ryan Rosztoczy  05:04 You also it kind of hits me as I was talking to Gary from Expo. And he was saying their long term vision is that analytics is in this space where it's going to be used by most businesses, but it's not going to be any of their primary core competency. And so that's kind of the space that they're gearing up to play, it feels like you guys are in the exact same space, which is like, probably everybody is going to use you. And no one wants to go that deep down that rabbit hole. Julianna Lamb  05:32 Yeah, definitely, I think they'll like, market is so competitive for whatever you're building today that anytime you can save on building something that isn't undifferentiated is super valuable time to spend on your own product, your own users and sort of optimizing that experience and investing in that. And so I think we have already started to see a lot of this sort of like, shift towards people using more API companies, platforms, etc, as building blocks for their product so that you can get to building the interesting stuff that you're trying to build faster and spend more time on that. Ryan Rosztoczy  06:14 Love it. Okay, so let's take a step back. So I don't actually know this. When, like, Let's go early days when you guys you and read or thinking about Stytch. What was that like? Julianna Lamb  06:29 Yeah, so Reid and I had worked together at plod. I was on the engineering team there. And he was a product manager. I left plod in sort of spring 2019 to join a company called very good security, where I was a product manager. And so after I left plaid, Reid and I had stayed friends, we basically had like a monthly coffee catch up on the calendar. And so we would get coffee and talk about whatever was sort of top of mind for us. And so one of those coffee chats, we were both complaining about building authentication, I was working on a project at VGS, to get rid of auth zero and replace it with a solution built on top of key cloak, which is an open source tool. And Reid was working on building some new authentication features at plaid. And they had sort of looked at the market for authentication vendors, and they ended up building a lot of this in house. And so we were basically like complaining about how frustrating this was and how there wasn't sort of, you know, the vendor on the market that solved our needs. Here are two separate companies facing similar problems. We were basically like, Why isn't there the stripe for authentication? Yeah, it's really developer friendly, easy to integrate. Um, that was December 2019. And then I mean, we kind of like left for the holidays. And they thought a little bit about it, but not too much. And then back in SF in January, I think we had like another conversation, we were kind of like, maybe there's something here, I don't know. And then we started like kind of floating the idea with people. And basically continue to do that. Pandemic hits, and everyone is now sitting at home, right and looking for things to do. And so I think that made it really easy for us to be like oh, like, friend that we haven't talked to in a while want to like get on a zoom call with us and hear about authentication and like, tell us your problems and see if we can help solve them. And so we ended up spending sort of a bunch of time, while we were all locked at home, basically kind of doing this customer discovery, talk to someone and they're like, oh, that's like a really interesting idea. I have this friend that ran into this problem, like, you should talk to them. And then you sort of like keep doing that. And I think momentum just kept building where we kept hearing like, frustration time and time again, with however people were doing authentication. The like end result of what that was that they were building that it was frustrating for users, right that they were struggling to log in, but they were also investing all this time and building it and we were like, yes, that's that's the problem that we should be solving. And so ended up leaving our jobs and fundraising in June of 2020 and started the company. Ryan Rosztoczy  09:34 Okay, so how did that part happen? Because, like, hard enough to, you know, I mean, get to a point where you feel comfortable that you've got a big problem and you want to focus on it, but then you need the time to do it. So how did you go from Yeah, let's do thi

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  6. 01/11/2023

    Mike Carter [YC Winter 2023]: Cultivating Insight and Tackling Existential Problems

    Welcome to another episode of the technical founder, the show where I meet with engineering founders and we deconstruct and demystify the science and art of building technology businesses. My guest today is Mike Carter. Mike has been an engineer at Otto and Uber, and he was the founding engineer at Kodiak Robotics. Mike has been an entrepreneur in residence at Ajax Health, and before he joined the world of autonomous startups, Mike was a member of the Stanford dynamic design lab, and a part of the team that became famous for creating Marty, the autonomous drifting DeLorean, yeah, drifting. Mike and his co-founder, Jesse Buckingham, were accepted into Y Combinator is winter 2023 batch. I cannot wait to see what they do for the future of the space. Mike Carter (YC Winter 2023): Cultivating Insight and Tackling Existential Problems 0:00 /74:19 1× Highlights [19:46] The concept of an operational design domain (ODD) [29:10] The benefits of reducing feedback loops [36:18] Build teams and systems that build solutions [41:03] Finding insight in disagreements [46:25] How to tackle existential problems [46:25] Storytelling and communication are critical founder skills [1:06:02] Founders must operate from different viewpoints and levels of abstraction Transcript (Provided by Otter.AI) Announcer  00:12 Welcome to the technical founder Ryan Rosztoczy  00:26 Hello again, this is Ryan Rosztoczy. And welcome to another episode of the technical founder, the show where I meet with engineering founders and we deconstruct and demystify the science and art of building technology businesses. My guest today is Mike Carter. Mike has been an engineer at Otto and Uber. And he was the founding engineer at Kodiak robotics. He was also the entrepreneur in residence at Ajax health, before he joined the world of autonomous startups. Mike was a member of the Stanford dynamic design lab, and a part of the team that became famous for creating Marty, the autonomous drifting DeLorean, yeah, drifting. Mike and his co founder, Jesse Buckingham, were accepted into Y Combinator is winter 2023. Batch. All right, let's get to the show. Super excited to be talking to you. Really happy that Alex put us in touch, especially with you starting YC in winter, because I'm sure we could not have talked after you started that. Mike Carter  01:29 Well, it's it's always busy, sir. Thanks for having me. It's really I'm excited to chat with you. And I think having listened to a few of your podcasts now, I'm excited about the concept of your podcast, you know, focusing on technical focusing on tools and strategy and the things that, that people like us are interested in to become entrepreneurs. So thanks for having me. Ryan Rosztoczy  01:50 Yeah, awesome. I mean, I'm especially excited about this, because I think we're gonna get to go pretty deep and explore some really fun stuff there. So I'm glad you mentioned that. Before we kind of get into your past and experience in AI, I would love if you could tease Vilma, for us for a second. For sure. Mike Carter  02:11 Yeah, absolutely. So we're not saying too much about what we're doing at the moment. So it definitely will be a bit of a tease. We saw my co founder Jesse Buckingham, and I been working together for a little while. Both of us have backgrounds in logistics. And we're both very excited, I bring sort of the, the technical background, he brings a really powerful commercial and sales and business background. So in a lot of ways, it's kind of a perfect complement of skills, both with familiarity and logistics. And we're very excited about what AI can can do there. Especially as the the industry as a whole sort of continues to digitize. There's a lot of opportunity, we think to to do some pretty powerful things with efficiency. And automation and logistics. Ryan Rosztoczy  03:02 Yeah, well, we'll definitely be following you cannot wait to see what you guys do. Yeah, I'm with Jessie real quick. How did you guys like connect? Because that finding that like really strong commercial sales go to market founder, I think is so important. How'd you guys meet? Yeah. Mike Carter  03:21 So really funny coincidence, same reason that that we met by introduction from Alex Avery, he, I think he needs to be the master matchmaker and in our world, but So Alex, Alex, and I played water polo together at Stanford, and Alex and Jesse went to the Stanford GSB together. And it was funny, I was catching up with Alex and talking about some of the stuff that I was interested in and working on. And, and he was like, You should chat to this guy know, Jesse. He's, he's, like, amazing, and also really interested in the same things that you're interested in. And then we met up like, the couple days later, and we're like, Well, okay, there's, there's pretty good match here. And both of the things that we find exciting to work on the ideas that we had had, and also just like, you know, personality, working style, and and skills, the sort of complementary skill sets. Ryan Rosztoczy  04:11 Oh, man, awesome. So okay, wait, so that happens. That's hilarious. Because Alex, when it was starting gather, he also reached out to me and that's how I met gather. And when I got back into the startup, so yeah, he Mike Carter  04:24 clearly has a knack for bringing people together. Ryan Rosztoczy  04:27 Yeah. How far were you in your decision process to like build your own startup at that point? Had you already decided to go down that path or was meeting Jesse kind of like a catalyst for that? Mike Carter  04:39 So I had already started started that path. And it was interesting. Because so I left my job my full time in April. And that was, to me that was the big sort of decision point. I think there's a lot of there's a lot of cool projects that started side to side projects, but a lot of time So those projects, stay side projects unless you really like leave and start working on them and sort of roll the dice if you if you know what I mean. So, so I had already left my job and decided that this was exploration that I wanted to do had a bunch of sort of concepts and ideas that I thought were interesting and promising. And so it was basically in the middle of doing a bunch of sort of field work and diligence on on those concepts when I met Jesse. And, you know, he had, he had been doing sort of a similar exploration process, I believe. And we sort of realized that as we came together our ability to cover that ground and rigorously do those explorations, which just like notched up, at least from my side, all these like commercial aspects that I had been doing my best with, you know, but but but really like bringing in somebody who lived and breathed, you know, the kinds of things that you have to think about when you really want to go out and sell something like that. That was a huge compliment to the things that I was doing. Ryan Rosztoczy  05:58 That's awesome. So great to hear to rolling the dice. Yes. So important. I mean, I think about it, like even with this podcast, you know, doing it on top of the job, it's just so hard to give it the focus and attention I really want. Won't be willing to die. So don't worry, Alex, not anytime soon. But a fair way to put it. Yeah. Okay, cool. Actually, there's some there's some tidbits in there that we're gonna come back to for sure. I'm, I really want to unpack some of that exploration that you guys are doing. But before we get there, I would love to just like take a step back and kind of talk about your early career. So you did I know you did your biomedical engineering BS at Stanford, mechanical engineering post grad. When did you get into, like, autonomous vehicles? Was that? Yeah, you're doing the mechanical engineering degree? Mike Carter  06:54 Yes. So it was biomechanical engineering was my undergrad. And the reason for the sort of the bio prefix there is because I started out probably like a lot of people as pre med. So coming out of high school, I, you know, generally interested in a lot of things, and I wanted to do things that helps people and help society. And so one of the first places that I looked was was, you know, the idea of going into becoming a doctor or surgeon or something like that. And, you know, pre med was great, mostly because it was like a challenge that I found that, you know, you go through chemistry classes and all the requirements. And that was, you know, it was it, I liked it, because it was a challenge, but it wasn't what sort of like, kept me up at night with excitement. And it was actually through a conversation with my brother, where I was, I was thinking about, like, hey, you know, those engineers seem to be having a lot of fun. And I talked to him and he was like, just like, remember what we did as kids. And he was specifically talking to, you know, what I was doing as a kid. I was always like, in my grandpa's shop, trying to help him with stuff like he was a mechanic. So I was, he was like, go build things. That's what you've always done. That's what you've always loved. And so that's, that's what pushed me. Yeah, that's what pushed me in the, in the direction of mechanical. So biomechanical ended up being like, it almost like tells the whole story like started up bio, and then became mechanical. And so that's what when I switched into mechanical, oh, went into self driving research at the same time. Ryan Rosztoczy  08:24 I love that I thought about biomechanical early on I did you ever take. I can't remember the name of the class. But there was like a humanities class that was like, sort of like an intro to pre med it was with this really old physician professor. And it was kind of like about the ethics and morality of of being a physician. Did you ever take that class? Mike Carter  08:49 I don't think I did. Did you say the name of the professor, Ryan Rosztoczy  08:52 I can't remember now I have to look it up afterwards. I remember I was like, pretty convince

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