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Join us as we share VBAC birth stories to educate and inspire! We are a team of expert doulas trained in supporting VBAC, have had VBAC's of our own, and work extensively with VBAC women and their providers. We are here to provide detailed VBAC and Cesarean prevention stories and facts in a simple, consolidated format. When we were moms preparing to VBAC, it was stories and information like we will be sharing in this podcast that helped fine tune our intuition and build confidence in our birth preparation. We hope this does the same for you!

The purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform- it is not to replace advice from any qualified medical professional.

The VBAC Link Julie Francom & Meagan Heaton

    • Kids & Family
    • 4.9 • 294 Ratings

Join us as we share VBAC birth stories to educate and inspire! We are a team of expert doulas trained in supporting VBAC, have had VBAC's of our own, and work extensively with VBAC women and their providers. We are here to provide detailed VBAC and Cesarean prevention stories and facts in a simple, consolidated format. When we were moms preparing to VBAC, it was stories and information like we will be sharing in this podcast that helped fine tune our intuition and build confidence in our birth preparation. We hope this does the same for you!

The purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform- it is not to replace advice from any qualified medical professional.

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    180 April's 2VBA3C + Birth After Loss

    180 April's 2VBA3C + Birth After Loss

    Today we are joined by our dear friend, April, who is sharing her second VBAC birth story with us after three previous Cesarean births.

    April had two traumatic, emergency Cesareans for her first two births and a scheduled Cesarean for her third. Her first VBAC was a very heartbreaking yet tender birth to a stillborn at 36 weeks. She shares the many miracles and sweet experiences that led her to her most recent birth-- her second VBAC to a perfectly healthy, beautiful baby girl.

    Education, great support, trusting her intuition, finding the courage to be unconventional, and asking questions are all big parts of her story. She is a woman of strength in every way. We know her story will inspire you as much as it inspires us!

    *Additional links*

    The VBAC Link on ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews ) Apple Podcasts ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews )

    How to VBAC: The Ultimate Prep Course for Parents ( https://www.thevbaclink.com/vbac-class/ )

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    *Julie:* Welcome, welcome. It is Wednesday and it is podcast Wednesday. I am really excited for today’s story because our interview today is with April. April is actually one of my doula clients and she has-- oh my gosh. We could probably take three or four hours to share the whole story and all of the intricacies of how everything played out in her birth. But we are not. We are going to try to keep it super short. It’s probably going to be a little bit hard for us. So bear with us while we try and keep this story to under an hour and get on there with it.

    But April has had three C-sections, and then she had a VBAC after three C-sections that was a 36-week stillborn, and then she went on to have another VBAC after three C-sections with a healthy baby girl. That’s when I supported her as a doula for her second VBAC after three C-sections.

    I really admire April a lot. I am going to talk a little bit, maybe at the end if we have time, about her relationship with her provider and how she created this really cool, mutual respect and dynamic between them. If not, we are going to have to just have another podcast episode about me just telling about the cool things I experienced there. She is just fresh off the VBAC, like just over a month fresh off of her VBAC. It is such an incredible story, but I don’t want to take up too much time sharing about it because I want her to be able to share as much as she can.

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    *Julie:* But before we do that, Meagan has a Review of the Week for us.

    *Meagan:* Yes I do. This is from holmclaugh90. This is on Apple Podcasts ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews ) and the title is, “I listen every single day.” It says, “ After a traumatic Cesarean with my first baby five years ago and multiple miscarriages in between, this is a breath of fresh air as I await my chance to have a VBAC this October with my second! Love every story I hear on this podcast and it makes me feel so much stronger in knowing I can do this!”

    And October has passed. This was last July, so if you are still listening, holmclaugh90, send us a message. We would love to hear how it turned out.

    *Julie:* Absolutely.

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    *Julie:* All right. We are going to get right into April’s story. Education, good support, listening to your intuition, trusting yourself, being grateful, giving yourself lots of grace, knowing that it’s okay to say “no” and ask questions, these are all big parts of her story. We are just going to let her take it off and then see where this story flows. All right, April. Are you ready?

    *Apr

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    179 David Arrell Welcome to Fatherhood (WTF) Tips for Dads!

    179 David Arrell Welcome to Fatherhood (WTF) Tips for Dads!

    Dads are constantly flooded with messages to be helpful and supportive to their birthing partner, but where are those specific tips on how to do just that?

    Cue David Arrell. David has developed a passion for everything surrounding birth with his main focus centered around helping dads learn the things he wished he knew when he became a dad for the first time. According to his own words, “I am just a dude who has been through this journey.”

    With his very specific dad tips as well as big ideas, David’s advice will take your birth support partner from feeling clueless, guilty, and overwhelmed to feeling hopeful, empowered, and inspired. When both partners learn to be a strong team during pregnancy, their bond during labor and throughout parenting will thrive even more.

    And the tip that gets 100% of his recommendation? “Dude, Hire a Doula.”

    *Additional links*

    The VBAC Link on ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews ) Apple Podcasts ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews )

    David's website: Welcome to Fatherhood ( http://www.welcometofatherhood.com/ )

    Welcome to Fatherhood: The Modern Man's Guide to Pregnancy, Childbirth, and Fatherhood ( https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Fatherhood-Pregnancy-Childbirth-Fatherhood/dp/B08GFX3PRR/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=welcome+to+fatherhood+david+arrell&qid=1622472230&sr=8-1 )

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    *Meagan:* Happy, happy Wednesday everybody. This is Meagan and Julie. You are listening to The VBAC Link. You are going to be excited just like we are for this episode today, so make sure you are somewhere where you can hear all the words, and honestly, you probably want your birth partners to list them as well.

    We have David Arrell. He is an author, entrepreneur, consultant, and men’s coach currently in Colorado. We have actually had quite a few special guests in Colorado which is really fun. He is passionate about coaching men on how to more fully embrace and embody help, masculinity, and especially through the powerful modalities of partnership. His most recent work-- now I can’t speak.

    *Julie:* Sorry.

    *Meagan:* You’re fine. --in this area is a book and we have the book. We are so excited. It’s called Welcome to Fatherhood and I really like it because it is like “WTF”.

    *Julie:* WTF.

    *Meagan:* Through the whole thing, it’s the modern man’s guide to pregnancy, childbirth, and fatherhood better known as WTF. So this is really a big deal because in so many ways, and I even talk about this with my doula clients. There are so many things in pregnancy that are so woman-focused or birther-focused, right? We kind of forget sometimes about dad and his role.

    That’s, as the doula, so important for me not to forget that and make sure that dad doesn’t feel that because I remember the day in my second labor. I remember my husband had to sleep on the couch in the corner and everyone coming in not addressing him, not talking to him, not saying anything that’s happening, not asking him has an opinion on anything, and it only revolves around me, and so I just think this is so awesome. A lot of dads enter childbirth clueless not because they don’t want to know, but because people don’t include them, right?

    And then fatherhood. I also know that as a mom and my husband, we’ve had times where I’m like, “No. I am doing it right and he is doing it wrong.” I remember someone saying, “You are both doing it right. You are doing it your way,” and I loved that. So I am really excited to talk to him today and get to know more about his book, and the role, and the fourth trimester coming back home, and how to give these tips to these dads because they need them.

    *Julie:* I

    • 47 min
    178 Jesse's RCS + Choosing a RCS

    178 Jesse's RCS + Choosing a RCS

    “There are a million paths to motherhood and there is no right way or wrong way. It is just your way.”

    Jesse Truelove with @movewithtruelove ( https://www.instagram.com/movewithtruelove/?hl=en ) joins us on the podcast today and drops some serious truth bombs about birth, fitness, social media, and motherhood. We couldn’t be happier to have her with us and for you to hear the important messages she has to share!

    Our mission at The VBAC Link is to empower ALL women in their birthing choices, whatever they may be. We applaud all women for choosing the birth path that is best for THEM. There is no right or wrong way to give birth!

    *Additional links*

    Instagram Live with Jesse and TVL ( https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA-vyiQgadD/?hl=en )

    Birth Words: Language For a Better Birt ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birth-words-language-for-a-better-birth/id1470817610 ) h Podcast ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birth-words-language-for-a-better-birth/id1470817610 )

    VBAC vs Repeat C-Section Blog ( https://www.thevbaclink.com/vbac-vs-repeat-c-section/ )

    Move with Truelove: Jesse’s website ( https://movewithtruelove.com/home/ )

    AB Rehab course ( https://www.nancyandersonfit.com/products/12-week-post-pregnancy-ab-rehab-course-coaching-included )

    Move Your Bump ( https://www.moveyourbump.mom/ )

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    *Meagan:* Happy Wednesday, everybody. You are listening to The VBAC Link. This is Meagan. Julie is on with us and we have a special guest. Her name is Jesse Truelove. We are excited to talk about her episode today because this is something that is actually a first for The VBAC Link. We were just chatting a little bit before. We were like, “Why haven’t we had this happen?” because this is totally what we talk about, what we teach about in our courses, and this episode is where she had an emergency C-section, ended up recovering from a really difficult delivery and had very little support. And really, for her next child, when all was said and done, she decided to have a repeat C-section.

    And I love this. I love this because as The VBAC Link, as Meagan and Julie-- yes, I am talking for you, Julie. We are all about everybody making the best choice for them. That may not be a VBAC. Some people may not choose to have a VBAC. One of my best friends has had three C-sections. The first one was unexpected, two were scheduled. I love and support her in that even though that is not what I chose to do. I chose to VBAC. I support her in that and I am so grateful that she had that opportunity.

    So we are really excited to dive into this episode today and hear her story. She has done so much good in the world. After her births, she decided to dedicate her focus to helping moms recover fully from their pregnancy and delivery. We are going to talk all about that in the end because she has got some pretty cool stuff that she is in charge of.

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    Meagan: But of course, we have a Review of the Week before we dive right into it.

    *Julie:* All right, yes. The Review of the Week. This is kind of a long one, but I really feel like it goes in line with this episode. I’m going to tell you about how I shamelessly stalked Jesse after this. But this review was actually an email. We got an email from Christina T. We really love getting emails from people who we have helped along the way, and so if you want to reach out to us through Messenger ( https://www.facebook.com/thevbaclink/ ) , or email ( info@thevbaclink.com ) , or Instagram Messages ( https://www.instagram.com/thevbaclink/?hl=en ) , or leave a review on Apple Podcasts ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews ) , or Google ( https://www.google.com/search?ei

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    177 Nicole’s VBAC + Racial Bias in Birth

    177 Nicole’s VBAC + Racial Bias in Birth

    We can’t wait for you to hear Nicole’s incredible VBAC story! She is a successful, driven mama of two and owner of The Polished Playhouse. You will feel her resiliency over and over during this episode. Nicole shares with us her firsthand experiences with racial bias during her first birth and along her journey to VBAC. You will also be inspired by how Nicole overcame challenge after challenge giving birth at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    We talk about the reality of racial bias in the birth world, why you shouldn’t trust the VBAC calculator and a way that anyone can advocate for change. Have the courage to set yourself up to feel safe with your birth team and get that supportive birth experience you deserve!

    *Additional links*

    Nicole’s Instagram: @polishedplayhouse ( https://www.instagram.com/polishedplayhouse/ )

    Black Maternal Health Momnibus Act of 2020 ( https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6142/text )

    The VBAC Link on ** Apple Podcasts ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews )

    How to VBAC: The Ultimate Prep Course for Parents ( https://www.thevbaclink.com/product/how-to-vbac/ )

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    *Julie:* All right. Good morning Women of Strength. We are so excited to be here with you today as we always are. I think every guest that we have brings this different kind of excitement with them. Today we have Nicole with us who is amazing in 360°, just all-around. We were just chitchatting with her before we started the episode today and she is an incredible, incredible, incredible woman. I cannot wait to share all of those interesting details and information about her with you. But before we do that, Meagan is going to read a Review of the Week for us.

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    *Meagan:* Okay, so this is from holmclaugh90. It says “I listen every day. After a traumatic Cesarean with my first baby five years ago and multiple miscarriages in between, this is a breath of fresh air as I await my chance to have a VBAC this October with my second! Love every story I hear on this podcast and it makes me feel so much stronger in knowing I can do this!”

    That was put in last July, so that means last October she would have had her baby. So holmclaugh90, if you are still listening, shoot us a message. We would love to know how things ended up.

    *Julie* : Absolutely. Oh my gosh, thank you so much for the review. You know we always love them. They are near and dear to our hearts.

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    *Julie:* We are so excited today to have Nicole with us. Nicole is really exciting. I just pulled up her bio. We have a form that we have our guests fill out before they come on our show so that we know a little bit about them. The more I read about Nicole, the more I am just like, “Oh my gosh. I need to know more about this. I need to know more about this. I need to know more about this.”

    The first one that caught my attention was she is a social media content creator. She has a really awesome Instagram page called Polished Playhouse. It’s all one word, @polishedplayhouse ( https://www.instagram.com/polishedplayhouse/ ). You can see the link to that in our bio. We are going to drop it there for you, so you can give her a follow. But she-- oh my gosh. There are so many amazing things.

    She creates curated boxes for children ages three to five years old with books and all sorts of educational things in them for your toddlers. I am sitting here, I am like, “Okay. I need to order these boxes. I need to sign up for the subscription box when it comes out,” because there are some really amazing things. I think that what really stuck out to me the most is she is including thi

    • 49 min
    176 Kalie's VBAC + Precipitous Labor

    176 Kalie's VBAC + Precipitous Labor

    We are joined today by our friend, Kalie, from Illinois. You will be captivated listening to her two wildly different birth stories! Kalie’s first birth was a crash Cesarean after a brutal labor experience with a difficult recovery. Kalie’s VBAC was an unexpectedly fast and furious birth in an emergency room. While her VBAC was a whirlwind experience, she was still able to be a strong advocate for herself and her birth wishes.

    We also talk about precipitous labor and how to make empowered decisions instead of fear-based ones. Trust your body, listen to your intuition, and use your voice. You’ll know just what to do if your baby decides to come ASAP.

    *Additional links*

    Episode 18 Leslie’s HBAC + Special Scars ( https://www.thevbaclink.com/podcast/ )

    The VBAC Link on ** Apple Podcasts ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews )

    How to VBAC: The Ultimate Prep Course for Parents ( https://www.thevbaclink.com/product/how-to-vbac/ )

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    *Meagan:* Happy Wednesday, everybody. This is The VBAC Link podcast. We are excited that you are here with us. We have an awesome story. I mean, seriously though, every story is awesome, right? This is our friend Kalie. She is actually from Illinois, so we are excited to hear her amazingly fast VBAC. We are also going to talk about precipitous birth and what that looks like, and how to know what to do, and all the fun things like that. Before we get going into that, we have Julie with us who is going to read a review.

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    *Julie:* Yeah, absolutely. Before I read a review, I want to tell you something funny. I have a friend, Leslie. She is on Episode 18 ( https://www.thevbaclink.com/podcast/ ) as a special scars episode, the very first one that we did on special scars. It was funny because we were preparing for our VBACs together. Our babies were born one month apart, so she was due a month before me. It was really funny because in both of our VBACs, the one thing we did not prepare for is the one thing that happened that was really big for us.

    For me, I was not prepared for my water breaking before labor or to actually go into labor before 40 weeks. I had my baby on my sister-in-law‘s wedding day. I woke up to my water breaking. I was not prepared for that. I was prepared for everything else, but not that. And then my friend Leslie, her thing was she was prepared for everything and she was expecting to have a super long labor because her first birth, it was a Cesarean. It was 40-something hours. It was so long and the one thing she was not prepared for was to have a baby in two hours and that’s what happened with her. She had her baby in two hours.

    And so I think it is so interesting because people think, “Oh my gosh, long labors are so hard,” but let me tell you, these fast labors come with their own set of challenges. So it has been a while since we have had super quick labor on the show and it’s going to be fun to talk about that today. But as Meagan said, I am supposed to be doing my job right now and reading a review of the week. You know me. I can’t help but talk.

    Okay, so this review is from Apple Podcasts ( https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-vbac-link/id1394742573#see-all/reviews ). It is from ejennd. It’s like initials enough, but not quite to where we can go stalk her on Facebook and see if she has had her VBAC or not. Right? Like, don’t tease me ejennd. I need answers. Okay. Her review says, “I found this podcast while I was preparing for a VBAC after two Cesareans.”

    Her first was an inverted T. Holy cow. I did not even read that part of the review, which is really interesting because the friend that I was just talking ab

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Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
294 Ratings

294 Ratings

Shottsie3 ,

Amazing is not a strong enough word!!!

I can not say enough good things about the VBAC Link. Listening to this podcast not only saved my mental health but gave me the knowledge and confidence to take control of my second pregnancy. After my homebirth turned into a hospital transfer and cesarean with my first child I felt broken. When I unexpectedly found out I was pregnant at just seven months postpartum I felt scared and lost. I was afraid of failing again and doubted my body’s ability to birth naturally, but I knew I absolutely could not have another cesarean and so I started obsessively researching VBACs. That’s when I found the VBAC Link and I have been binging episodes ever since. Listening to these stories has been incredible, each episode is like getting a shot of confidence in the arm. Both my midwives and doulas have commented on how far my mental prep has come and I know it’s all thanks to the VBAC Link. Julie and Megan have given me the tools and resources to take control of my birth. I am now looking forward to welcoming my second child via HBAC in just 5 short weeks. I want to shout it from the rooftop, EVERYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE VBAC LINK!!!

Emmalyn_shinelikenoonday ,

Uplifted and Educated

I have been binging on this podcast since I found it a couple weeks ago and I’m addicted! As I prepare for my HBA2C, I have experienced so much healing and inspiration through hearing these stories after 2 attempts for vaginal deliveries with my first 2 kids (pre-e hospital birth and HBAC transfer to hospital. The content they provide is diverse, thoughtful, inclusive. There is so much stigma around Home Birth and VBAC and this is the first/only community (+ the FB group) I’ve found to truly be welcoming and nonjudgmental. I feel like this is going to be an instrumental tool in my birth prep for my baby coming Christmas Eve 2021! 🎁

postpartummama ,

A Surprisingly Invaluable Postpartum Resource

Once again, I’ve found myself listening to episode after episode of this podcast. It’s truly an invaluable resource for anyone preparing for birth or healing from a traumatic birth. Julie and Meagan approach topics that are often hard to discuss, and they do so without judgment, creating a community of acceptance during a season of life that can often feel alienating and lonely. I listened to this podcast while preparing for my VBAC, and although my VBAC was “successful,” it was also traumatic. Now six months postpartum, I’m listening to each and every episode again, and in doing so I’m processing my second traumatic birth experience at my speed. It’s helping me mentally & emotionally heal from everything that happened and lessening my fear of childbirth. Thank you, Julie and Meagan, for dedicating your time & energy to educating women in such an approachable way. I cannot recommend your podcast enough.

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