The Waterfall

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Welcome to The Waterfall, the podcast and community about putting wellbeing first to tackle the climate crisis. Inspired by Bengali Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore's timeless vision, Kaberi and Obhi Chatterjee talk to changemakers about wellbeing, sustainability, the arts and technology, as well as sharing their experience of slow travelling around Europe in an electric car, showing that it is actually fun.

Episodes

  1. Health vs Growth

    MAR 9

    Health vs Growth

    What happens to healthcare when profit becomes the priority over wellbeing? In this thought-provoking conversation, we explore how the focus on growth in modern medicine often leads to unnecessary tests, procedures, and treatments that may not serve patients’ actual health needs. Dr C M Pradyumna and Dr Sabitha Pradyumna, both MDs in Ayurveda pharmacology, join hosts Kaberi and Obhi Chatterjee to discuss the fundamental tension between profit-driven healthcare and health-focused treatment. With over 20 years' experience running Prasida Ayurveda Clinic in Kolkata, India, they offer a unique perspective on how integrative medicine can bridge the gap between ancient wisdom and modern diagnostics. 🔑 KEY TOPICS COVERED: ✓ When doctors treat patients instead of test results ✓ The kidney disease trap: elevated creatinine and the rush to dialysis ✓ Blood pressure management: Why unhurried monitoring matters more than instant medication ✓ Ayurveda’s approach to conditions Western medicine calls “incurable” ✓ The Flexner Report and the sidelining of traditional medicine systems ✓ Integrating Ayurvedic diagnosis with modern medical technology ✓ Why treating symptoms holistically can delay or prevent invasive procedures ✓ The importance of diet, lifestyle, and patience in healthcare ✓ Parathyroid hormone imbalances managed without surgery ✓ Prostate cancer cases responding to Ayurvedic treatment ✓ Understanding each medical system’s possibilities and limitations ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Treating patients or reports? 00:38 Introduction 01:11 Health-focused vs profit-focused healthcare 02:42 Case study: Kidney disease and raised creatinine levels 04:27 Ayurvedic management delaying dialysis for 10 years 05:01 Lessons from personal experience with dementia care 05:53 Blood pressure: The importance of monitoring before medicating 07:06 Thyroid and parathyroid management without surgery 08:06 Prostate cancer: When PSA levels improve with Ayurveda 09:08 Obhi’s father’s fragmented care and medication cascade 09:51 The 1910 Flexner Report’s lasting impact 10:20 Integrating Ayurveda with modern diagnostics 13:47 The need for mutual understanding between medical systems 14:50 Taking clinical Ayurveda to the world 📚 RESOURCES MENTIONED: • Prasida Ayurveda Clinic: https://prasida.com • You Must Be Nuts! - The Business of Dementia (Obhi & Kaberi Chatterjee): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqcJSxs0UMU&list=PLuKWsM55fc48BrrjHf950ACISqhvDyjC2&index=1 • In the Shadow of Flexner (Justin Smith documentary): https://www.sovrintv.com/new-film 💬 JOIN THE CONVERSATION: Share your reflections about healthcare, integrative medicine, and wellbeing in The Waterfall Community on Discord: https://discord.gg/NyKbEjPDRR . #wellbeing #integrativemedicine #ayurveda #healthcare #traditionalmedicine 🎧 ABOUT THE WATERFALL The Waterfall is a podcast and community exploring wellbeing, sustainability, the arts, technology and slow travel. Hosts Kaberi and Obhi Chatterjee talk to changemakers about these topics, including episodes in which they share their slow travel experiences around Europe while taking long distance drives in an electric car instead of flying for over 10 years.

    15 min
  2. The Growth Trap | Mohua Mukherjee, former World Bank Economist

    JAN 12

    The Growth Trap | Mohua Mukherjee, former World Bank Economist

    Does more economic growth really make our lives better? Former World Bank economist Mohua Mukherjee challenges the GDP growth paradigm in this essential conversation about wellbeing, climate justice, and what progress really means. Mohua served as Energy Team Leader at the World Bank, leading its $1 billion solar energy programme for India and advancing renewable energy policy across South Asia. With over 30 years of global experience, she now serves as an Independent Director on the board of a microfinance company, contributing expertise in structured finance and sustainability. In this episode, Kaberi and Obhi Chatterjee explore: Why GDP fails to capture inequality and environmental destructionThe accuracy of the 1972 "Limits to Growth" predictionsThe Club of Rome's "Earth for All" report and its average wellbeing indexKate Raworth's Doughnut Economics and its prediction of conflicts over resources as growth plateausThe just transition and coal-dependent communitiesClimate resilience in developed vs. developing nationsWho owns climate technology and why it mattersIndia's public digital infrastructure as a model for sharing innovationTimestamps: 00:18 Introduction 01:21 Does economic growth really improve people's lives? 03:34 The Limits to Growth 11:20 The Just Transition 12:39 The Business of R&D Resources mentioned: - Doughnut Economics: Seven Ways to Think Like a 21st Century Economist by Kate Raworth - Earth for All: A Survival Guide for Humanity (Club of Rome report) Share your reflections about this episode and others in The Waterfall Community on Discord: https://discord.gg/NyKbEjPDRR If you enjoyed this episode, follow The Waterfall for more conversations with experts on wellbeing, sustainability, the arts and technology as well as tips on 'slow travel', all inspired by the timeless vision of Rabindranath Tagore.

    15 min
  3. Compassion | Professor Paul Gilbert OBE, author of The Compassionate Mind

    12/23/2025

    Compassion | Professor Paul Gilbert OBE, author of The Compassionate Mind

    In this episode, Kaberi and Obhi Chatterjee hear from Professor Paul Gilbert OBE, who has written several books, including the international bestsellers Overcoming Depression and The Compassionate Mind, as well as authoring over 300 academic papers. Their conversation covers particularly: 01:00 What compassion is 01:11 How Professor Gilbert became interested in compassion 02:38 The culture of compassion 08:26 Compassion and the climate 14:35 Invitation to continue to reflect on this episode in The Waterfall Community Please share your reflections about the topics covered in this episode in the episode discussion thread in The Waterfall Community on Discord. If you are just joining the Community, there is a short questionnaire to get you started, as well as some rules to ensure that the Community remains a civilised and positive space for conversation. Key papers and links to further publications: Compassion: From Its Evolution to a Psychotherapy Creating a Compassionate World: Addressing the Conflicts Between Sharing and Caring Versus Controlling and Holding Evolved Strategies Google Scholar Profile of Professor Paul Gilbert OBE For recent videos series: Creating Compassionate World Interview Series Initiatives related to compassion: The Compassionate Mind Foundation Compassion in Politics The Global Compassion Coalition The Waterfall topics included in this episode are #wellbeing and #sustainability.

    16 min

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Welcome to The Waterfall, the podcast and community about putting wellbeing first to tackle the climate crisis. Inspired by Bengali Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore's timeless vision, Kaberi and Obhi Chatterjee talk to changemakers about wellbeing, sustainability, the arts and technology, as well as sharing their experience of slow travelling around Europe in an electric car, showing that it is actually fun.