The Way Out | A Sobriety & Recovery Podcast Hosted by Charlie & Jason

In this edition of The Way Out I’m honored to bring you my interview with Physician’s Assistant, Speaker, Mom, Wife, Dog Lover, and Author of Incurable Hope: A Memoir for Coping with a Loved One’s Addiction Lisa Gennosa. Lisa’s story is in part a story of a Mother who had to reckon with her son’s substance use, in part a story of a Mother who had to reckon with her own part in what is truly a family disease, and indeed in part a story of Lisa turning these first two parts of her journey into an amazing purpose which is to be the change she wishes to see in the world. Lisa is a fierce advocate and ally for addiction recovery and for the families and loved ones of those who are facing addiction and has dedicated herself to this important work in her role as a Physician’s Assistant, in her work in her community, and with her sharing her story like she did in her new book and as she does with us on this here episode so do be sure you listen up.



Contact Lisa and learn more about her new book Incurable Hope: A Memoir for Coping with a Loved One’s Addiction:

https://www.lisagennosa.com/



Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation:

Ego is the enemy by Ryan Holiday - https://egoistheenemy.com/



Best Piece of Recovery Advice:

We did the best we could with what we had at the time so
extend ourselves grace and forgiveness



Song that symbolizes Recovery to Lisa:

Rescue by Lauren Daigle - https://youtu.be/9PugD11k3JU



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In this rendition of The Way Out I’m ecstatic to bring you my interview with psychologist, author of the new book Co-Crazy One Psychologist’s Recovery from Codependency and Addiction: A Memoir and Roadmap to Freedom, and person in long term recovery Dr. Sarah Michaud. Dr Sarah shares her journey to and through recovery from addiction and codependency to this point with us in a way that really helps us understand both in an extremely beneficial way. On its face, addiction and codependence appear to be polar opposites of one another. Addiction involves the compulsive use of a substance or behavior to change one’s feelings, or default state of mind and body. Codependency on the other hand, is on its surface, about trying to change the addict or alcoholic. Underneath this behavior, however is a compulsion that is precisely the same but looks very different on the surface. Co-dependent behavior ultimately is about trying to change others in order to change one’s own feelings. It often manifests like this: I feel a compulsion to fix or save a loved one from pain or discomfort. This seems like a straightforward act of love and helpfulness, however the driving force behind this act is not about them. In reality, it’s about me. My inability to sit with the discomfort and dis-ease of watching a loved one experience pain or adversity. Ultimately, the desire to control people, places and things is about trying to change others so I can change my feelings. The good news is, just as the root of codependency and addiction are strikingly similar, so are the principles and practices we adopt to recover from each affliction Dr. Sarah’s message about the truth of addiction and codependency, how she found The Way Out, and how you can too is instructive, enlightening and downright inspirational so listen up.

Contact Dr. Sarah Michaud and learn more about Co-Crazy One Psychologist’s Recovery from Codependency and Addiction: A Memoir and Roadmap to Freedom:

 

http://drsarahmichaud.com



Learn more about the YouTube Channel, Leaving Crazy Town:



https://youtu.be/JJduEQzfstE

 

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:

 

Big Book - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

 

Comfortable with Uncertainty by Pema Chodron - https://pemachodronfoundation.org/product/comfortable-with-uncertainty-book/

 

The Book of Awakening by Mark Nepo - https://marknepo.com/books_awakening.php

 

The Language of Letting Go by Melody Beattie - https://melodybeattie.com/books/language-letting-go-hazelden-meditation-series/

 

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: This too shall pass

 

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Dr. Sarah:

 

Amazing Grace: https://youtu.be/Obp-9BEZe1c



Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!



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In this edition of The Way Out I’m pleased to bring you my interview with person in long term recovery and CEO of Desert Hope Treatment Center, George Gatski. George shares his journey to and through recovery this point with us with the refreshing candor and insight we’ve come to know quite well here at The Way Out Podcast and the fashion in which Greg shares his Recovery journey is a shining example of a Powerful Recovery story that is ultra relatable and extremely illuminating. Especially enlightening and instructive in George’s story are the following messages: first is the exceptionally common experience of our drug of choice being an instant answer to our problems - as George phrases it, like a key in a lock and equally important to understand is most folks don’t feel that way when the drink or use substances. Second, and we’re fierce advocates of this message, there are no rock bottoms in addiction. The only true rock bottom is when we’re dead. Anything short of that is when we stop digging. Instead, there are very often windows of opportunities or bottoms if you will which afford us a chance to enter into Recovery and to make a decision to begin to make the changes we need to make in order to launch our Recovery in earnest. Last but certainly not least, George’s message that we’re not bad people getting good, instead we’re sick people getting well helps us understand
that we can shed the shame and guilt wrapped up in our past which is consistent with much of the work that is embodied in the 12 Steps and many other pathways of Recovery. All of this is to say that George’s story is a tremendous listen and is jam packed with spiritual and recovery truth so do make sure you listen up.

 

Reach out to George Gatski and Desert Hope Treatment Center:

 

https://deserthopetreatment.com/contributors/george-gatski-mba-cadc/

 

Recovery Literature (quit-lit) Recommendations:

 

NA Basic Text - https://www.na.org/?ID=literature

 

Untethered Soul by Mark Singer -
https://untetheredsoul.com/untethered-soul

 

Best pieces of Recovery Advice:

 

I'm not a bad person getting good I'm a sick person getting
well

My head lies to me

 

Song that symbolizes Recovery to George: We belong by Pat
Benetar - https://youtu.be/qxZInIyOBXk

 

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available
only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

 

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz

 

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In this edition of The Way Out I’m honored to bring you my interview with composer, performing artist, coach for musicians and artists in recovery, and person in long term recovery Skip Sams. Skip shares his journey
to and through recovery to this point with candor and insight that is rooted in humility, self-awareness, spirituality, and healthy doses of humor sprinkled throughout a story that is about Skip coming to grips with his addiction, mental health, sexuality, and ultimately finding and embracing Recovery. For Skip, Recovery is very much about recovering his spirituality and his creative purpose using his gifts, talents, skills, and abilities which has now led Skip to live the spiritual axiom that in order to keep what we have in Recovery we have to give it a way, Skip now helps others in Recovery discover their own creative purpose through his Creative Purpose Project so listen up.

 

Contact Skip:

skipsams.com

Tel: (917) 387-6197

​skip@skipsams.com

Mention you listened to this episode and receive a FREE coaching session!

 

More about the Creative Purpose Project:

https://www.creativepurposeproject.com/

 

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:

The Success Principles by Jack Canfield - https://www.amazon.com/Success-Principles-TM-Anniversary-Where/dp/0062364286

The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz - https://www.amazon.com/Four-Agreements-Practical-Personal-Freedom/dp/1878424319

The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle - https://www.amazon.com/Power-Now-Guide-Spiritual-Enlightenment/dp/1577314808

 

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: Wait 48 hours before you react

 

Song that Symbolizes Recovery for Sam:

Beautiful Things by Mario Frangoulis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vHW2U2eEI0

 

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

 

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz

 

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In this rendition of The Way Out, I’m over the moon about having Teacher, Author and person in long term recovery Tim Moon – see what I did there – back on the show to share about his newest book, Tomato Fields
which at once has nothing to do with Recovery while at the same time has everything to do with Recovery. Tomato Fields is on it’s face an action/mystery/horror/adventure work of fiction that isn’t about recovery at all, and a very good one at that, yet the only reason this book exists is because of Recovery, specifically Tim’s
recovery. It is in fact, a fruit of Tim’s Recovery and a phenomenal example of what Recovery and spirituality can enable us to do when we lean in and do the inside-out work we need to do to Recover and get out of our own way in an increasingly meaningful way which allows the opportunity to become ever closer to the people we feel called to be. Because I stopped believing in coincidences rather early in my own Recovery as one of the fruits of my spiritual experience it’s no coincidence that our conversation had little yet everything to do with his new book. Our spiritually charged exchange largely centered on Recovery and God, and
a bit less on the book itself, yet I go back to the reason that Tomato Fields even exists is as a result of Tim’s spirituality and recovery. Similarly, the only reason this podcast and indeed this here episode that’s chalked full of spiritual and recovery truth exists is because of the totality Tim and I’s collective spirituality and recovery so listen up.

Contact Tim Moon:

Timsmoon@gmail

757 746 2931

Mailing List: eepurl.com/iaqOgP

Waking up Blog:

https://contemplativelight.org/blog-tim-moon/page/4/

Tomato Fields by Tim Moon:

https://www.amazon.com/Tomato-Fields-Tim-Moon/dp/B0BRM1GBDD/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

 

Recovery Literature (quit-lit) Recommendation:



The AA Big book

 

Breaking The Habit of Being Yourself: How to Lose Your Mind and Create a New One by Joe Dispenza:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1401938094?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_R10XNBAG7BJKKAAQQYHA

 

Best piece of Recovery Advice:



Don't overthink do the next right thing let go and let God

 

Songs that Symbolize Recovery for Tim:

Desperato by The Eagles

https://youtu.be/aelpqWEBHR4

NF - How Could You Leave Us

https://youtu.be/wOzQMCyPc8o

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

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In this rendition of The Way out I’m pleased to bring you my interview with the one and only Pastor Jim Downs, formerly known as Big Jim Downs who appeared on this here podcast in one of our very early episodes, when this podcast was in it’s infancy. His story was amazing then, and it’s only become more amazing since. Pastor Jim shares his journey to and through recovery to this point with us, as well as the amazing things he’s doing with Rockhouse Ministries. Though Pastor Jim has dropped the Big from his name, he in no way has stopped the big things he’s doing for the Recovery community so listen up.

 

More about Rockhouse Ministries:

https://www.rockhouserecovery.com/

Phone: (423) 365-7077

Email: rockhouse@rockhouserecovery.com

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendations:

The Bible

The Power to Choose by Mike O'Neil:

https://www.amazon.com/Power-Choose-Mike-ONeil/dp/0963345400

Purpose driven life by Rick Warren:

https://www.amazon.com/Purpose-Driven-Life-What-Earth/dp/031033750X

Best Piece of Recovery Advice - Stop talking and start
listening

Song that Symbolizes Recovery Set Me Free by Casting Crowns:

https://youtu.be/s_WNDIybIXs

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz

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