The Ways We Move +

Nicolas Zart

THE WAYS WE MOVE + — Season 2 🚀 The podcast for professionals who need to understand where mobility is actually going — not where the press releases say it is. Hosted by Nicolas Zart — Mobility Futurist, Strategic Intelligence Lead, and 20-year veteran of electric mobility and Advanced Air Mobility — The Ways We Move goes one layer deeper than mainstream coverage.  Each episode features unfiltered primary-source conversations with the founders, CEOs, engineers, DoD program leads, and infrastructure developers who are doing the real work. No hype. No headlines recycled. Just the signal. What we cover: Advanced Air Mobility — eVTOL certification, infrastructure, capital risk, and the OEM landscapeHydrogen and alternative propulsion — the real engineering trade-offs, not the talking pointsElectric mobility across air, land, and seaEmerging defense and dual-use aviation technologyThe business models, financial structures, and policy frameworks that determine what actually gets built Who listens: Capital allocators, project finance professionals, infrastructure developers, aviation executives, DoD program leads, policy analysts, and anyone making decisions that depend on knowing what's real in advanced mobility. Why subscribe: Because the gap between what gets announced and what actually happens is where the most important intelligence lives. Nicolas has spent 20 years finding that gap — and talking directly to the people on both sides of it. Early access subscribers hear every episode 48 hours before public release. Back catalog subscribers get access to the full archive of primary-source conversations — one of the most concentrated records of advanced mobility intelligence available anywhere. Subscribe now and stay ahead of the curve.

Episodes

  1. 6D AGO

    ANRA Technologies: UTM, AI, and the Future of Drone Airspace | Brent Klavon

    Tell us more about yourself and what you would like to hear! Brent Klavon, Chief Strategy Officer at ANRA Technologies, joins The Ways We Move to pull back the curtain on Uncrewed Traffic Management (UTM) — the invisible infrastructure that lets drones, delivery services, and first responders safely share the same airspace.  From Amazon Prime Air to Dubai's air navigation system to Counter-UAS security at the FIFA World Cup, ANRA is operating at the intersection of technology, regulation, and global airspace complexity.  And on AI?  Brent has a refreshingly honest take.  00:00 Introduction — Season 2 update and two-week hiatus explained  03:28 Meet Brent Klaxon — Chief Strategy Officer, ANRA Technologies  03:56 How ANRA Was Founded: Garage startup to NASA partnership (2015)  05:04 What Is UTM? Uncrewed Traffic Management explained simply  09:00 How drones fit into already-crowded airspace  11:46 US airspace structure and why traditional ATC doesn't scale to drones  13:01 The Three-Circle Framework: Technology, Standards, and Policy  17:01 Real-world UTM today: Amazon Prime Air flying thousands of flights daily 18:23 Drone as First Responder — prioritization when the lights come on  21:09 New York Power Authority: UTM for utility infrastructure at scale  22:22 GPS spoofing, cybersecurity, and how ANRA monitors system health  25:10 AI in UTM — not a silver bullet: what it actually does (and doesn't)  25:37 EASA U-Space certification — first and only UTM provider in Europe  28:19 Building an agnostic global platform: tailoring UTM for each market  29:13 The Dubai project and the impact of regional conflict on delivery  34:08 Counter-UAS at the FIFA World Cup 2026: protecting shared airspace  38:07 Military and dual-use: where the lines are blurring  39:25 Data privacy, ownership, and the coming FAA data rule. Competition and the state of the UTM market. Brent's personal note — lessons from seven years building ANRA  🔗 ElectricAirMobility.news  🔗 ANRA Technologies: anratechnologies.com  🎙️ Subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube  🤝 Support on Patreon: patreon.com/c/TheWaysWeMove

    50 min
  2. APR 9

    Supply Chain, Geopolitics & the Hidden AAM Opportunity — With Matt Lapin, International Trade Counsel at Wiley Rein

    Tell us more about yourself and what you would like to hear! Matt Lapin is a counsel at Wiley Rein in Washington DC with a long background in international trade law — and in a sector where supply chain complexity, China de-risking, rare earth dependencies, and regulatory actions are reshaping everything, his perspective cuts through in ways the standard industry coverage doesn't reach. We cover what supply chain actually means for a disruptive emerging technology, why COVID was the first real proof that globalized supply chains were more fragile than anyone admitted, and how the US-China geopolitical conflict is producing both constraint and genuine opportunity for AAM manufacturers and operators. Matt breaks down the FCC's action against DJI, what the American Drone Dominance executive order signals about how the current administration views eVTOL, and why reading the policy two levels underneath the headline is the most important analytical skill anyone in this sector can develop right now. His closing advice: understand the rules that are actually in play — not the ones you assumed were in play a year ago — and challenge every first principle your strategy was built on, because uncertainty is no longer the exception. It's the operating condition. In this episode: 0:00 — The Trade Law Nerd Who Ended Up in Advanced Air Mobility 0:08 — Inside Wiley Rein: How International Trade Law Shapes Emerging Tech 1:08 — What "Supply Chain" Actually Means — And Why Everyone Gets It Wrong 3:22 — COVID's Real Legacy: The First Stress Test of Globalized Supply Chains 4:14 — The China Problem Is a Supply Chain Problem — And It's Not Going Away 5:40 — De-risking Without Decoupling: Why a Clean Break From China Isn't Happening 7:29 — Run Faster or Trip the Other Guy: How Policy Levers Actually Work 9:03 — What's Good for America Needs to Be Good for the Industry — Not the Other Way Around 11:25 — When the Government Decides Your Sector Is a National Security Asset 13:17 — The FCC's DJI Move: How a Regulatory Constraint Created a Domestic Drone Opportunity 15:39 — Rare Earths, Export Controls, and the Negotiation Hiding Inside the Tariff War 17:56 — How to Build Strategy When Uncertainty Is the Operating Condition 20:21 — The Rubik's Cube Mindset: Matt's Two Takeaways for Anyone in This Industry Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Bk51yRB4ZQQ And for previous episodes of the Ways We Move on your favorite podcast platforms, see:  ▶️ Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheWaysWeMove📺 🔊 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-ways-we-move/id1797599255 🔊 🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4V0qe3eZqublwn6dasXWCf 🎧 🎙️ Amazon Podcasts: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/cd3349e1-275f-4691-ae38-f1b6a153d5e5/the-ways-we-move 🎙️ 📻 iHeart Radio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-ways-we-move-268614085/ 📻 🌱 Buzzsprout: https://thewayswemove.buzzsprout.com/ 🗣️ 🎬 Patreon education and news analysis! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheWaysWeMove 🔒 📢 Support now: https://www.patreon.com/c/TheWaysWeMove Subscribe for more insights into the future of mobility and support the show! https://www.buzzsprout.com/2428454/supporters/new 📡

    1h 3m

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THE WAYS WE MOVE + — Season 2 🚀 The podcast for professionals who need to understand where mobility is actually going — not where the press releases say it is. Hosted by Nicolas Zart — Mobility Futurist, Strategic Intelligence Lead, and 20-year veteran of electric mobility and Advanced Air Mobility — The Ways We Move goes one layer deeper than mainstream coverage.  Each episode features unfiltered primary-source conversations with the founders, CEOs, engineers, DoD program leads, and infrastructure developers who are doing the real work. No hype. No headlines recycled. Just the signal. What we cover: Advanced Air Mobility — eVTOL certification, infrastructure, capital risk, and the OEM landscapeHydrogen and alternative propulsion — the real engineering trade-offs, not the talking pointsElectric mobility across air, land, and seaEmerging defense and dual-use aviation technologyThe business models, financial structures, and policy frameworks that determine what actually gets built Who listens: Capital allocators, project finance professionals, infrastructure developers, aviation executives, DoD program leads, policy analysts, and anyone making decisions that depend on knowing what's real in advanced mobility. Why subscribe: Because the gap between what gets announced and what actually happens is where the most important intelligence lives. Nicolas has spent 20 years finding that gap — and talking directly to the people on both sides of it. Early access subscribers hear every episode 48 hours before public release. Back catalog subscribers get access to the full archive of primary-source conversations — one of the most concentrated records of advanced mobility intelligence available anywhere. Subscribe now and stay ahead of the curve.