The Wild Lab

Ned Weidner

The Wild Lab, explores how wildness still lives in our bodies, our relationships, and the natural world. Through story, conversation, and practice, we investigate how to reawaken what the modern world made us forget. We talk with trackers, horsemen, monks, plant shamans, hunters, coaches, and wild-hearted thinkers. And the host Ned Weidner goes solo digging into what it means to live closer to instinct, to let the wilderness shape us, and to walk the long road back to ourselves.

  1. Nov 5

    How to Stop Feeling Like a Stranger in Your Own Backyard w/ Jonathan Shapiro

    In this episode, Jonathan Shapiro shares insights on wildlife tracking, the importance of noticing the natural world around us, and how developing curiosity can deepen our connection to the landscape and ourselves. Want to learn more about hunting, fishing, and tracking: https://www.stepintoyourwild.com/  Get in touch with Jonathan Shapiro: https://www.wildlifetrackinginstitute.com/about-us  Chapters 00:00 Introduction and overview of the episode 02:37 Welcoming Jonathan Shapiro and his background 03:05 What is happening in the woods that most people don't notice 05:20 The importance of noticing animal lives and signs 07:47 The role of awe and understanding our size in the natural world 09:01 De-spiritualizing to re-spiritualize our relationship with nature 10:51 The practice of ecological storytelling and curiosity 13:08 Deepening relationships with small and large landscape elements 15:35 What is ecological storytelling and its significance 18:54 The concept of shifting baseline and cultural disconnection 22:45 Ramifications of disconnect from the natural world 26:12 Practices for becoming less of a tourist in nature and oneself 32:00 How to start tracking and observing wildlife 35:24 The connection between mindfulness, awareness, and tracking 43:15 The importance of slowing down and being present in nature 45:04 Impact of outdoor practices on inner well-being 47:22 A memorable story of reconstructing animal tracks 58:57 The ecological story of a bird and owl interactions 01:02:57 Getting started with tracking and naturalist practices 01:05:33 Resources and programs for learning tracking 01:06:06 Closing remarks and how to connect with Jonathan

  2. Sep 19

    How Flowers Made the World: The Power of Sensory Connection with David Haskell

    Join Ned Weidner in a profound conversation with David George Haskell about the deep connections between humans and the natural world, exploring how attention to plants and ecosystems can transform our understanding, ethics, and future. Discover insights on sensory awareness, embodied knowledge, and the future of flowering plants. Want to learn more about hunting, fishing, and tracking: https://www.stepintoyourwild.com/  Get in touch with David George Haskell How Flowers Made the World by David George Haskell - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09XYZ1234  David George Haskell's website - https://dghaskell.com  Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Ned Weidner’s opening questions 01:04 David Haskell’s childhood landscapes and early memories 02:58 Growing up in Paris and the subconscious influence of sounds 04:31 Finding a sense of home through attention and relationship with nature 09:17 Practicing attention in a small patch of forest and the book 'The Forest Unseen' 11:08 The importance of paying attention to senses and stories behind plants 14:11 The role of sensory experiences in understanding evolution and ecology 16:36 The blurring of boundaries between human and non-human through flowers 19:03 Flowers as symbols in rituals and self-expression 22:07 What we have forgotten about our relationship with plants 24:00 The interconnectedness of flowering plants and ecosystems 26:42 The importance of embodied knowledge in education and conservation 29:39 Reimagining education through outdoor and experiential learning 32:52 Transforming nervous systems through nature experiences 36:03 The future of flowering plants and human influence 48:00 The speculative future of plants and conservation hopes 54:55 Final thoughts: celebrating the creativity and importance of flowering plants

  3. Sep 1

    Why Hunters Say Caring More, Not Less, Makes You Better at Conservation with Mark Hall

    Ned Weidner talks with Mark Hall of Wild Origins Canada about how hunting, trapping, and forestry connect to conservation, ecology, and public storytelling. Mark shares how his lifelong relationship with the land shaped his work as a forester, writer, podcaster, and advocate for hunters and rural communities.We discuss why hunting can deepen environmental awareness, how public narratives distort hunters’ motivations, and why Project Grizzly Balance aims to bring marginalized rural voices back into the conservation conversation. Follow Wild Origins Canada: https://www.instagram.com/wildorigins_canada/ Want to get in touch with nature: https://www.instagram.com/nedweidner/  Key topics Mark shares his background as a third generation hunting and trapping family member from British Columbia, and how his relationship with nature shaped his identity from childhood. We discuss the idea that hunting is not about indifference to animals, but about a deeper form of participation, attention, and responsibility on the landscape. Mark explains how being a hunter changes what he notices in the field, using snowshoe hare tracking as an example of how hunting creates a more intimate read of habitat and animal behavior. He reflects on how forestry became part of his path after a wildlife biologist told him that habitat decisions can have a larger impact on wildlife than individual animal management. We discuss the shift from working within resource industries to becoming a public voice for hunters, trappers, anglers, and conservation-minded rural communities. Mark describes the core problem as a misunderstanding of hunters’ motivations, with critics often assuming hunting is about ego, killing, or domination. He explains why storytelling is the main tool he uses to reach the moderate middle, reframe assumptions, and present the true heart of hunters in a way that lands with broader audiences. We discuss the limits of social media, the way algorithms reward outrage, and why Mark wants more face to face conversations and public speaking in the future. Mark outlines how removing hunting or trapping can have unintended conservation consequences, including reduced research, less accountability, and weaker data collection. We discuss Project Grizzly Balance, which aims to restore balance between grizzly bears and rural people in Western Canada by elevating ranchers, trappers, outfitters, and local residents whose experiences are often ignored. Mark argues that conservation is not about iconic species alone, but about relationships within entire ecosystems, from soil mycorrhizae and dominant plant communities to predators and prey. He closes by inviting listeners to connect with Wild Origins Canada and the broader Origins Foundation to continue the conversation. Timestamps 00:00 - Recording setup and warm welcome 00:29 - Introducing Mark Hall and the Wild Origins Canada connection 02:13 - Mark’s third generation hunting and trapping upbringing 04:28 - Hunting as responsibility, not indifference 05:27 - How carrying a gun changes how Mark sees the land 06:57 - Snowshoe hare as a lesson in active ecological awareness 08:50 - Why hunters and non hunters often misunderstand each other 10:42 - Reading habitat, predators, and fire history through pursuit 14:21 - No hierarchy between outdoor users, only different relationships 15:20 - Humanizing hunters, trappers, and anglers for conservation 17:21 - Childhood signs of care and the path toward wildlife work 18:18 - Why forestry became the better route for influencing habitat 20:42 - The grizzly bear debate in British Columbia and the need for advocacy 22:10 - Why silencing hunters harms conservation itself 24:14 - The real false narrative about hunters’ motivations 27:56 - Story as the most powerful tool for changing minds 29:49 - Using podcasts, film, and public speaking to reframe debates 33:07 - Adapting language for different audiences 34:29 - Knowing every campfire is listening, even hostile ones 35:57 - Conversations with skeptics and anti hunting advocates 36:55 - Why Mark is shifting toward more in person outreach 38:06 - How algorithms reward outrage over nuance 40:29 - The conservation cost of not telling these stories well 41:27 - What happened to grizzly bears after hunting was banned in BC 42:54 - Why research and accountability decline when hunting disappears 44:17 - Why removing hunting can be detrimental to healthy systems 46:46 - California cougars and the transition into Project Grizzly 47:17 - The premise of Project Grizzly Balance 48:46 - Ranchers, grizzlies, and lived experience on the land 50:07 - Giving marginalized rural voices a place in public conservation debate 53:30 - Why the project is fundamentally storytelling 54:12 - Charismatic megafauna, sacred species, and the hunting debate 55:49 - Digging into animal sign and the intimate knowledge hunting creates 56:44 - Sustainable relationship versus sustainable use 58:39 - Accepting death as part of life and wildlife relationships 60:21 - How social media weaponizes fear, outrage, and emotion 63:11 - Ecology as relationships, not isolated individual species 65:05 - Why ecosystems are not just a sum of parts 66:02 - The role of dominant species and the bigger ecosystem picture 67:00 - Soil mycorrhizae as the true keystone engine of terrestrial life 68:17 - Seeing grizzlies through habitat, plant community, and soil relationships 69:16 - The spider web of ecosystem interactions 70:16 - A paradigm shift toward interconnected thinking 72:49 - Where to find Wild Origins Canada and continue the conversation

  4. Jun 19

    Why Safe Men Need Teeth: Hunting, Shadow, and the Predator Within w/ Ned Weidner

    In this episode, Ned Weidner explores the complex relationship between masculinity, predatory energy, and how modern culture handles these innate instincts. Through personal stories about hunting and reflection on societal patterns, he emphasizes the importance of conscious relationship with power to foster integrity and authenticity. Connect with Ned @stepintoyourwild Key Topics: The prevalence of predatory energy in human nature and its manifestation in modern culture The dangers of repressing versus integrating primal instincts Stories of hunting as rites of passage that teach responsibility, consciousness, and relationship to death The distinction between unconscious consumption and conscious power The concept of shadow in Jungian psychology applied to masculinity The cultural myths about evil and the importance of internalizing awareness of one's own potential for harm The necessity of rites of passage and mentorship in maturing masculine energy Practical insights on how hunting can serve as an act of initiation and self-awareness The dangers of dualistic views on masculinity: indulgence vs suppression Timestamps: 00:00 - The shocking prevalence of predatory energy in modern society 02:11 - Why repression isn't the answer to primal instincts 03:35 - The significance of experiencing death through hunting 04:43 - How hunting fosters humility and connection to responsibility 06:14 - The lessons traditional rites of passage teach about power 07:47 - Jung’s shadow and its relevance to masculine energy 08:53 - The dangers of externalizing evil and how it distorts self-awareness 12:43 - Stories of Joe and the deer: conscious relationship with power 14:34 - The importance of making deliberate choices in confronting energy 16:28 - How hunting integrates predatory energy without succumbing to domination 17:29 - The role of intention and curiosity in hunting and masculinity 19:24 - Recognizing the wildness within and choosing how to hold power 21:11 - Moving beyond repression and indulgence toward relationship and mastery 22:47 - Practical ways hunting acts as a rite of passage for masculine maturity 24:25 - The necessity of honesty, curiosity, and openness in embracing power 25:39 - Final reflections: stay curious, connected, and wild

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The Wild Lab, explores how wildness still lives in our bodies, our relationships, and the natural world. Through story, conversation, and practice, we investigate how to reawaken what the modern world made us forget. We talk with trackers, horsemen, monks, plant shamans, hunters, coaches, and wild-hearted thinkers. And the host Ned Weidner goes solo digging into what it means to live closer to instinct, to let the wilderness shape us, and to walk the long road back to ourselves.