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Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability.
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Things Musicians Don't Talk About Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toal

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Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability.
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    50. Three in A Bar

    50. Three in A Bar

    This week we are coming from a North London living room with our wonderful friends from Three In A Bar Podcast. Verity Simmons (cello) and Seb Philpott (trumpet) join us for a 2-part series of collaborative podcasting and incredible company.
    We talk about how podcasting has altered their lives, who writes the emails, their careers and experiences as freelancers and the Three In A Bar podcast genesis from in the pit of Funny Girl the Musical. We also learn about their most traumatic performance memories, and take to Classic FM's quizzes to discover Seb's cross-genre knowledge and the age of Verity's soul.
    Keep your eyes peeled to the Three In A Bar podcast channel for part 2 out next week!
    Follow Three In A Bar on Instagram and Twitter @threeinabar
    Visit their website here!
    The episode was edited by Katy Ehrlich.
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    • 43 min
    49. Katy Ehrlich

    49. Katy Ehrlich

    Introducing our producer, the wonderful flautist Katy Ehrlich. We are so excited to introduce Katy to you all and for you to hear the journey of her incredible life, and role in the pod, through county youth orchestra to Manchester University and then to the Royal Academy of Music for masters. Katy's journey uncovers a lot of the difficulties with music college environments and we discuss how hard it can be to be honest about your personal life and limitations whilst studying.
    Katy also took us through the traumas of orchestra lists and the humiliation of not seeing your name. Her steps towards music editing for TV and film are so exciting and we loved learning more about her goals and insights into the sector. We also just have a hilarious chat!
    We can't begin to imagine how such an honest and beautiful soul came to be our producer and we are beyond grateful to Katy for all she does and is!
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    • 58 min
    48. Betty Makharinsky

    48. Betty Makharinsky

    ‘It’s easy to slip into a mode of being 
    where you think your life is happening to you and 
    you’re stuck…you think you have to carry on xyz 
    trajectory because that’s how it’s been for so long…’ 
    This week’s guest is the soprano Betty Makharinsky who spoke to me (Hattie) during a day of rehearsals for the charity and organisation she co-founded, Vache Baroque Festival ✨
    Betty and I spoke about her difficulties with the music college system after leaving Oxford and how going too soon affected her development and confidence as a singer. She also speaks with so much wisdom about her love of teaching and the importance of the workshops run in schools by the Vache Baroque Festival. 
    It was amazing to hear about Betty’s excitement for her future as a singer and having the confidence to commit to exploring everything she can with her voice and opportunities it may bring. 
    Her love for singing is so infectious and wise and I think Betty put her mindset best when she said ‘- More and more I think it’s important to do everything in your life full-heartedly’
    Thank you Betty for bringing such honesty and 
    inspiration 🙏
    Follow Vache Baroque on Instagram @vachebaroquefest
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    • 51 min
    47. Hannah French

    47. Hannah French

    This episode we are sharing the space with BBC Radio 3 presenter and flautist, Hannah French. Recorded in a North London office space, we listened as Hannah explained to us her journey to a diagnosis of Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, a collagen deficiency which affects the soft tissue and has impacted her ability to walk, play the flute and live life as she once knew it. She took us through the reality of living with EDS, and the process of moving away from flute performance and into her current job as a presenter at BBC Radio 3. We talked about the power that radio now has in her life, creating a space to tell stories and shape a listeners' experience and the process of creating the amazing documentary for Radio 3, The Silence of My Pain in 2020.
    Thank you to Hannah for her honesty about her pain experience and for your wonderful presence and infectious humour!
    Hannah's documentary, The Silence of My Pain, will be played again this Friday, 9th September on BBC Radio 3 at 10pm
    Wanna jump around? Timestamps:
    0:00: Intro
    2:25: Welcome to Hannah
    4:00 What is EDS?
    8:00: Discovering Hannah's EDS and playing the flute
    14:25: Moving into academia and research
    15:35: Accommodating people with disabilities in music
    19:00: Acceptance of disability and illness
    20:15: Pastoral welfare of students; working at the Royal Academy of Music as a lecturer and tutor
    23:30: Loss of identity as a flautist
    26:00: Moving into radio and working for the BBC
    28:18: The liberation of radio
    29:15: Does Hannah feel envious when presenting/watching performances?
    31:45: The psychological impact of pain
    36:30: Managing difficult emotions, anxiety and coping mechanisms
    39:00: Working with and not against pain
    41:50: Making the documentary, The Silence of My Pain
    45:30: The importance of silence in Hannah's life
    46:45: Fascination and flow
    53:22: Unapologetic visibility
    55:15: Starting conversations about pain and disability
    56:35: Removing shame and presenting an honest depiction of pain
    1:01:30: Wins of the week!

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    • 1 hr 6 min
    46. Guy Withers

    46. Guy Withers

    This week on TMDTA, Becca and Hattie chat with Guy Withers, Artistic Director, founder and CEO of Waterperry Opera Festival, about this year's upcoming festival which will celebrate it's fifth anniversary with an innovative eight-day open-air collection of eight productions in Waterperry, Oxfordshire. As usual, Becca and Hattie want to know more about what's going on behind the shiny facade of such a successful festival and they chat with Guy about not only the festival's journey to fruition but also his personal experiences and how they have informed his current role. Guy shares with us the some of the trials and errors he's experienced whilst working at the festival and talks about them with such humility and such obvious passion for his work. Thank you Guy for your honesty and openness with us!
    Transcript for this episode
    “To celebrate our fifth anniversary as a festival, we have created an ambitious season of eight productions. With
    returning favourites, and exciting new ventures, our broad programme has something for everyone, with each
    offering as unique and thrilling as the next. We are taking artistic risks to create the exciting operatic experiences
    that will captivate the next generation of audiences as well as our loyal followers.
    Our focus this year as a company is creating new audiences for opera with inventive and accessible work, inspiring
    local young people with free tickets for those under 16, and developing emerging talent with our Young Artist
    Programme. We want to make sure there are no barriers to any young person enjoying or engaging with classical
    music and opera.” - Guy Withers, Artistic Director & CEO
    Waterperry Opera Festival: https://www.waterperryoperafestival.co.uk
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    • 58 min
    45. Cliodhna Ryan

    45. Cliodhna Ryan

    Hattie and Rebecca are joined this week by violinist and podcaster Cliodhna Ryan. Delving into the years Cliodhna spent in the busyness of London, Cliodhna talks about her move back to Ireland and the creative projects that sprung from the move. Violinist in the Irish Chamber Orchestra, Cliodhna speaks about the realities of freelance life, as well as her experiences living with panic disorder and injury.
    Cliodhna has her own podcast, Bittersweet Symphony, in which she speaks with fellow musicians about their lives during the desolation of the pandemic. The podcast asks what musicians experienced in that time, what they have taken from it and how it has impacted their self-worth and sense of identity.
    Thank you to Cliodhna, who is now a firm friend and wonderful support of us!
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    • 1 hr 17 min

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Andy Reiner ,

Things Musicians SHOULD Talk About!

I loved hearing Hattie's perspective - her honesty about mental health for musicians and willingness to be vulnerable is refreshing and rings true. While her guests have great things to say, I especially enjoyed the reflective episode 7 sandwiched between interviews. The audio quality is excellent which adds to the experience.

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