This vs. That Anchored Hope

On this episode of This vs. That, we explore the topic of church hurt and discuss when to stay versus when to go.

We talk with author and Bible teacher Courtney Reissig about the different perspectives of church hurt—from being a witness in the pews, to causing hurt as a leader, to being the one who is hurt. Courtney shares her personal experiences and insights from nearly 20 years in ministry, highlighting the complexities and spectrum of church hurt.

We also discuss the importance of understanding expectations, the role of transparency, and the signs of an unhealthy church. Join us for an honest conversation that aims to shed light on an issue many have faced but few openly discuss.



Resources Mentioned:


Church Called Tove by Scott McKnight
When Narcissism Comes to Church by Chuck DeGroat
Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church by Diane Langberg
Strong and Weak by Andy Crouch
The Bruised Reed by Richard Sibbes
The Letters of John Newton by John Newton
The Book of Proverbs with commentary by Charles Bridges
Bully Pulpit by Michael J. Kruger
Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund

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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life. To meet with a counselor, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠anchoredhope.co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and schedule an appointment today.

On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome Alicia Britt Chole, a wife, mother, mentor, and author, known for her unique and refreshing style that connects with people of all ages. We discuss her newest book, "The Night is Normal," and explore the concepts of disillusionment versus reality.

Alicia shares her personal story, including how her father's view of questions as sacred shaped her upbringing, and her journey from atheism to faith. We dive into the painful but necessary process of shedding illusions to gain a deeper understanding of reality and how this impacts our spiritual growth.

Join us for a conversation that promises to offer valuable insights and a fresh perspective on navigating the complexities of faith and disillusionment.

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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life. To meet with a counselor, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠anchoredhope.co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and schedule an appointment today.

On this episode of This vs. That, we have an engaging conversation with Trevin Wax.

Trevin joins us to discuss the nuances between tribal leadership and multi-directional leadership. We explore the differences between leaders who align strictly with a particular group versus those who address challenges from multiple perspectives.

Trevin shares insights on why multi-directional leadership is essential for the health of families, churches, and institutions. We also dive into Trevin’s background, his ministry work, and the inspiration behind his book, "The Multi-Directional Leader."

Join us for a vital conversation about the complexities of leadership in our cultural moment.

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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life. To meet with a counselor, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠anchoredhope.co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and schedule an appointment today.

On this episode of This vs. That, we are joined by Dr. Mike Emlet, a faculty member and counselor at CCEF, who brings his extensive experience and expertise to our discussion.


Emlet offers valuable insights into how we can apply the gospel to those grappling with religious scrupulosity, whether in its extreme forms or more common experiences of an oversensitive conscience. We cover the definition of scrupulosity, its various manifestations, and the underlying issues that drive it.

Throughout the conversation, we emphasize the importance of understanding our union with Christ and how this foundational truth helps address the challenges of scrupulosity.

Join us as we unpack these concepts and learn practical ways to support and encourage those who struggle with excessive religious fears and doubts.



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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life. To meet with a counselor, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠anchoredhope.co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and schedule an appointment today.

On this episode of This vs. That, we welcome Pastor Joby Martin, lead pastor at The Church of Eleven22 in Jacksonville, Florida. Joby shares his journey into ministry, his passion for evangelism, and his drive to reach every tribe, tongue, and nation with the Gospel.


In our conversation, we tackle the complex topic of Contentment vs. Satisfaction, exploring what these terms truly mean in a Biblical context. We also examine the role of ambition in the life of a believer and how to balance our human drive for more with a deep, abiding contentment in Christ. This episode promises to challenge, inspire, and encourage you in your walk with Jesus.

Resources Mentioned:

If the Tomb is Empty by Joby Martin

Anything is Possible by Joby Martin

Desiring God by John Piper



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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life. To meet with a counselor, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠anchoredhope.co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and schedule an appointment today.

On this episode of This vs. That, we talk with Abbey Wedgeworth about exhaustion vs. perseverance. Abbey shares her experiences as a mother of three young boys and a devoted member of her local church. We explore the balance of managing various commitments, how parenting pushes us to our limits, and how that can actually bring us closer to God. Abbey shares her insights into how we can find strength and perseverance in Christ, even when we feel overwhelmed. Tune in as we offer encouragement and practical advice for parents in all stages of life.



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This vs. That is a podcast of Anchored Hope. Anchored Hope provides practical help to those hurting by anchoring their hope in Jesus and helping others gain a better understanding of his promises. We offer reputable, biblical counsel to those suffering or experiencing difficult seasons. Our counselors are highly trained and bring a vast experience in addressing the various issues of life. To meet with a counselor, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠anchoredhope.co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and schedule an appointment today.