Touchdowns and Tangents

Touchdowns & Tangents

NFL takes and topical tangents for football nerds, casual sports fans & the culture since 2016. Touchdowns and Tangents balances real life experience with the most cultural and concise commentary from the week's football news. Since 2016, the weekly podcast features live football news breakdowns along with live guest interviews. Pete D. Camarillo and Kenneth Frank host the syndicated podcast from Los Angeles. Featured guests include athletes, journalists, entrepreneurs and other people at the intersection of sports and culture. Our archives don't lie. Find out more at Touchdownsandtangents.com.

  1. AUG 13

    This show is an inside joke

    Pete and Kenny break down the latest NFL free agency moves and signings as well as preseason week o Aren't an no chemistry having over the hill radio podcasts who just ride, no cult commentary. We actually got some fat. This is Touchdowns and Tangents. Your weekly spot for NFL takes topical tangents. And context for the culture. So tune in. Tune in because you never know if you're gonna get a take a tangent. But either way, I had a touchdown. What's up, good people? Touchdowns and Tangents here, your Thursday night spot for NFL takes topical tangents for the culture. I m p d Camrio and he is the captain. Now Kidd's right. Guys, See how we didn't hear that frantic shuffle If you picking the mic off the coach, that was nice reminding you of old time. It's called breath control. But yeah, man, we're on a take five here. Hopefully the computer doesn't stop recording for no reason in the middle of this, but if it does, you'll probably never hear this, so don't worry about it. But yeah, we are touchdowns at Tangents Touchdowns Attaches dot Com t d's underscore tages on Twitter and Instagram. It's been a it's been been a long week, but uh what are we gonna talk about Kenny. Been a long time, should have left you. You know the usual, Uh, preseason football was great. Football is getting close. It's officially to the preseason week ones behind us up yup. There with the Lions, Lions and forgetting who they're playing, there's the Lions and the Falcons. That preseason game got ended because oh yeah, that's probably they close it on Sunday, like was hit and he was unresponsive and they disagreed to those the Jets, I think it was lines Jets, and they disagreed to not finish the game. This is a preton game. It's like meaningless. A Jaguars kicker Cam Little kicked a seventy yard field goal and that was crazy, crazy work. They gotta give him ninety nine. You gotta give you if you kick a seventy yard field goal, you have to have ninety nine accuracy and kicking power. How about a Romania you do it through. The Chador effect fourteen to twenty three two TVs. Everyone's looking at him like a starter. He said he didn't. He felt like he didn't. He could have done better. He didn't take full advantage of the opportunity, which is sad that, Like, I don't like people who just want to like beat you down, to humble you because they think you didn't go through something. Yeah, because you don't know everyone story. And that's a black man in America. He's had it harder than pretty much all of you. Even if his daddy was rich, I don't care. Guess what. He don't have his daddy's speed, right, And it's not like he has Cam Newton arm or Josh Allen arm or even though Lamar Jackson level arm like he can make every throw, he's had to quote unquote humble himself. And it's funny that the owner of the Browns comes down to us, He's not our guys, not our pick, He's Andrew Berry's pick. That lets me know if this fails, Stefans, he's not getting fired, Andrew Berry is. And then they're gonna probably trade your door. And then the fact that you don't give him any first team reps and you just throw them out there because you want him to fail. It's an allegory about being a black man in America cause his children they always treat us as we're older than we actually are. And then when we become of age, they call us Wayians. They used to call us superpredators in the nineties. Now they're just saying whyans. That's why I don't use whyan. I'm like, that's a little bro, We're we're not playing. That game now. You see all the uncles, all the bold black dudes. What you're saying. But I feel like the younger generation caused the younger generations. No, but it's different, Like they twenty seven year old right now is calling the nineteen and twenty year olds whyans. But it's a different cultural connection for sure. It's like when boomers called us the millennials the laziest generation. Well yeah, it was like they're literally the laziest generation. The same thing. It's like, yeah, Millennials was kind of superjecting as a derogatory turn for so long, and then once Millennials got more spending power, it became more of a positive thing. I think that's kind of the same thing happening with gen Z toos, Like everyone just rolled their eyes take gen Z, but now. Just accepted like gend like, hey, so we watched how you did our older brothers and sisters and we ain't really here for that shit. And jin ALFHO really isn't here for you. Shit, that's why they're not that's they're not drinking. I mean, they're kind of doing drugs here and there, but they're really staying away from that because we saw what you know. That's why, Like when I look at rappers who brag about what they were in the nineties, I was like, so you sold drugs to kids, to women, to pregnant women, because some of you did. You sold drugs to kids. Creating a whole f****d up generation of kids that you didn't blame for all societal problems that you created. And then when we go back and realize you were a loser in the nineties, there were just no cameras around. It's kind of like some of the people who judge Shad Door and some of these younger quarterbacks and even like Tom Brady was talking about it, how like these kids are physically ready, but they're not mentally ready. Well, yeah, because look what the parameters are different, like the crucible with football and just in life in general. It's like, I think there's a general rational disconnect with these kids. They're not stupid, they don't have to do the things that we did that I think people are gonna look at millennials as like we were truly the noblest generation. We were. We were the noble we were, we were the original, we were the Boobie Miles, we were Moving Miles, we were Chris Comer, we were I don't think we were definitely moving bro, Facebook, Huh, We're one of the greatest generations. Deal, some of us were. Some of us never had a chance out the game. And you know that. You know that name a random wide receiver right now, jo Jo Vicious. See, only millennials do ship like that. But what I'm saying, like, what I'm saying is to kind of tie this to the point. I know he's not, but it's like when millennials in the media, the way we see him, we're not kicking his back end. Yeah, like Kenny Pickett sucked. I said, Kenny Pickett was trash watching him at the Senior Bowl, respectfully, like not even like, hey, bro, this dude is not. A franchise quarterback. He's just not. And he got little hands and he wears gloves and he couldn't even he was fumbling snaps at the Senior Bowl. They didn't show you that on TV, So It's like Joe Flacco's old as hell. His son came out and said he sucks. So I'm like, Dylan Gabriel's hurt. And to be honest, I've seen Dylan Gabriel get to the NFL defense. Go watch the Ohio State game. The second one. I think when I think about that comparison, that to me just kind of especially where I'm cook, it's like really just based off their performance because the reality is like context matters, Like you look at Shador and Dylan Gabriel, Like I think that's the perfect example of why context matters. Like on one hand, it's like Gabriel was one of the most productive quarterbacks in COUSE and on the other hand, he also kind of like Ring Chase and went to some of the biggest best programs with the Taylor to him versus you know, Shador. You know, he was a he wasn't he wasn't an unknown prospect, but he wasn't you know, all everything sort of prospect. Four star prospect coming out of solid prospect and most recruiting spaces had and. He chose to go to a lower level and he worked his way up to a bigger level, and his numbers got better every year, and he basically put the team on his back. So so it's like, you know, you. Can dice up those two players any way you want, But the reality is between the two matters, because if you just look at their numbers, you're gonna think one thing. If you just look at their traits, you're gonna think something else. But what development is is really kind of pulling those two things together at a new level consistently. It's because somebody was success by something in the past doesn't mean they're gonna be successful at it in the. Text really matters. Context tells you, Okay, it's just gonna apply, it's it's not gonna apply. So and I mean he he performed the best in that win against the Panthers. The examples of Guet was out here fist fighting people Panthers. Yeah, sure it was crazy. He low key mixing one. But yeah, receivers stuff socking each. Other like him with one. It's corney, Why are you punching people with your hands and you need your hands to catch Why not just go for the takedown at first? But the funny thing is to Tory McMillan is like, nah, he had some combinations in there. You gotta respect it. He does. I don't want to fight exa related with the way he talks. Bro's been in some fucking fights dog on one probably fucking no, just not even. All seven of them. A home he packed out seven people. He probably has, but the point is. Probably wrestling and bears Bro. He ran a four three nine and has country strength, and he's truth Carolina body of ad yes like chiseled granted four three nine, and he's trying to put it together as a receiver. I don't think he's really dead yet. I didn't think he should have been the first round pick, just pished, what's up on the board. But they got to Tory McMillan, so it kind of works out because you got speed and possessionals got feeling like their offense is kind of shaping up. They said Renfro looks good too. Yeah, Toy McMillan is nice though, like that man, I think that's like that's he's like a faster, more agile. I wanted Renfro to go there last two years, not only because of the Clemson connect, but just because that lower center of gravity I think is gonna help Bryce this year. Having a kind of a security blanket where you can just kind of throw a low ball. You doesn't have to worry about it getting picked off and refro can just you kn

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  2. AUG 5

    Why does this title have so many tariffs?

    Kenny and Pete break down the latest free agency moves, college football media days and more. Catch it hear and on touchdownsandtangents.com. Aren't y'all tired? No chemistry over the podcasts, which is just right comment we actually got. This is the touchdown tangency your week. We spot our NFL takes topical tangency and context for the coach cult. So tune in, tune in because you never know if you're gonna get a make. But either way, Away had the touchdown down. What's up, good people? Touchdowns and tangs Here Hawthorne, California, your NFL spot for topical takes tangents for the culture. I am P. T. Camrio, I'm Kenneth Frankly James Berry. And we are on the second take of this. Hopefully there's no power issues this time around. But football's back. Kenny Hall of fameame just passed Bons Chargers. Trey Lance went out there and got the start. Harbaugh was firing up before the game went out there, made some plays. They pretty much dog walked the Lions. Jerry Goff threw a pick. Everyone on social media overreacted. Look at golf without Ben Johnson, et cetera, et cetera. Antonio Gates made his acceptance speech before other guys got in, solling on man, how you feeling? How you feeling about football being back. I'm happy mostly just for this year. Fact of like high school and college are back and alight at a certain point, like once you look back in high school and realize that's the last time you were innocent, You're like, I just want the best for these kids. And you know, like with football, injuries are gonna happen. Somebody's gonna have the best year of their life, somebody's gonna have the worst shit of their life. And it's all tied in. We're all living this shit together, and you factor, and you know, we're all experiencing football in different aspects of our lives. So it ended up to be a pretty fun year. I mean, the year's almost over already, we're already in August. It's crazy, though, do you get the faster than about to go by? This shit is crazy. Could have warned us, They could have warned us. They told us, But I don't really think they warned us. It's more like they just said, all right, you'll see when you're older. Hey, that's not funny because I see it now that I'm older and my back hurts. Yeah. Man, Ultimately, it's great that football is back. I wanted to go to the Raiders camp this past weekend, but had a game, so I didn't make it. But Chargers having a bunch of open practices. Rams have had a bunch of practices. Cowboys been fucking around and Oxen and heard. But yeah, man, it's just all around a good time right now, buzz in the air. High schools are starting back up, starting to feel like fall. Most importantly, how Thorn to Lindale. We'll be playing at so far well the first time ever. Yeah's cool. August August twenty first, I don't give it shit it I hope Lindelle don't get blown out. But oh my god, oh for people who grew up in the city, I might cry that day. I might have figure out how to get some media credentials because I gotta be on the field interviewing people. They gotta have me out there. I was. I was there during the history of this rivalry, the heart of it. But yeah, I'm excited. I'm more excited about college in high school than the pros because the NFL is inevitable. I feel like the Passing League and Summer League that was just that felt like that was forever. What do you think about the virtual measurement stiff, like the Raiders are gonna somehow get hold. Yeah, but I only saw like one clip of it. What kind of corantine, But it's too early to tell because we just rolling out like this is really the test season. Yeah for sure. Now if they if it goes Haywire gets screwed up in a playoff game, Yeah, that can't happen. So just petting money, no comment, No, I know you probably can't talk about it, but yeah, man, that's the situation. NFL offices in New York. Basically some dude who was originally from California played high school football basically targeting. The I thought it was Santa. Clarita something like that, but his coach was like his former coaches like the Hills. Yeah, so versions pretty much. Yeah, he's targeting in the NFL because he feels like he had CT from all his years playing high school and youth football. Blackstone CEO also got somebody at Blackstone, like I guess, like an investment firm that like buys up. Yeah, pretty much. This building has some of the top heads funds, financial officers. Et cetera. In this office. So basically ran up in there, held himself hostage and took his own life and four others with him. So it's just all around a sad situation. Should really just a reminder that in this country, it's like it doesn't matter where you go, whether it's school, work or you know, anywhere else, concert, movie, et cetera. Like some b******t could happen, some tragedy. It's sad. It sucks. No, it sucks for you because you're close to. It's nothing new either, so it's just sad. With that on a water note, I guess we can turn to college football. Now before I play another interview? Should I should just wait? Ah? Like I wait, some things did happen, Like I said, at least for high school, Lowndale and Hawthorne High will be playing out so far it should be for the Mayor's Cup, but who knows. They for some reason Malondock gets as well as they discontinuate because Lindel technically was never involved with the Mayor's Cup. But it's like, we're right there and we were clapping hot thornch cheeks every time he played them. Now after I graduated and we left, that's a whole different story. But that's gonna be great, Like you got the East LA Classic to have more local high school teams playing at so far is going to be awesome. Truly excited for it. Now. College football, DJ wing guard per Due offensive lineman who I think potentially could be making like upwards of two hundred thousand dollars in IL money. He sued the n double A because they he thought he had actually eligibility left and they told him he didn't. So now like he's still and he's some One of the reporters asked him, like, how acs Lincoln, how is he holding up? And he's like it's not good because like this could be the end of his college career. You know. I think he had like some COVID time like certain things where he's legally supposed to have the year, but there are provisions and some of the rules that might prevent that. And he's supposed to be their starting center I think at USC this year. So that's kind of up in the air. Also, just talks of intense and kind of heat it up with more schools, especially the Carolina schools North Carolina, all them. Potentially leaving to go to the Big Ten. That's that's weird, how that like those talks kind of heat it up, but we kind of don't stand by, so we'll see what happens. Also, Warrence Taylor being on the sports committee and not even knowing why or what. We started. Taylor, like, we get it, bro, you ran like a four to three. You're a fast linebacker, but you got a weird history with women. Dog. I don't care how good of a past rusher you were. You got a weird history of women. Little girls like you. You're kind of my Carl alone category. Like old heads like Launch Taylor. I'm like, you mean a dude that keep getting caught with underage girls, and y'all that's your hero, that's your friend. All right, all right, the old generation hit pedophiles pedophiles for a while. The old generation were pedophiles. Let's be real, a lot of them were pedophile and contone, you didn't maybe you didn't f**k a little kid, but you sure did fuck some young person's life up. Probably we could have that discussion all day. We could just look at the job market for young people. We could just look at I don't know, the journalism field and all the people who ended up leaving it for various reasons. But you know, some of these older professors don't have those conversations. You just say you're not working hard enough, and it's like you wouldn't have made it in today's time period, so shut your hats up. But that's a whole nother story. Again. I blame all. I blame all the boomers and the old people for the decayed of society because we were kids, y'all were adults when this shit was happening, Which is weird because like Triple H and them, funny that not one black person there because Lawrence Taylor wasn't in some of those pictures, but Triple H who they rein. They re institute at the presidential fitness test, which the president himself would fail at. And Triple AH can't do it because he did all those steroids early in his life, which is probably why he had the heart attack to begin with, because he was definitely on Gear and other ship because stock Scott Steiner infamously said, if getting drug tested, Triple A just is getting drug tested with me or just neither others is getting drug tested. And guess what he got drug tested. That's what Gear does. That's ladies and gentlemen, that's why you don't do all this weird ship to your body. But somehow Paulovek, who had a heart attack and can no longer even wrestle, probably can't even like raise his voice too much because you know, heart issues. He's gonna somehow make kids healthier again. These poor kids, they just just we have the stupidest adults in charge. Yeah, that's a real thing. The Presidential Fitness Test. They're bringing that back. So I guess start CrossFit training your kids or whatever weird shit y'all be doing out here. Takeaways from media day. You're gonna play some interviews or what? Oh yeah, sure I will play a little some sung Uh it's gone from Big ten. I'm sure my WiFi is actually connected. What happened last time? Hey, did you turn on the thing? I mean it should be and hm I connected out again? Connected to someone's iPhone. I connected to my iPad Loki. Yeah, So interviewed a lot of all the coaches ship, so you just gonna have to play it all right, So interviewed a bunch of players and coaches. So I'll start with Damn Lanning. There we go. I heard something I'm just watching. I wasn't knowing I

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  3. JUL 21

    Stuck between a barstool and a desert bust station

    Kenny and Pete break down Mountain West Media Day and all the NFL Free Agency updates. Catch it here and on touchdownsandtangents.com. Hey, you out there there. I want some. I want some co hos who actually. You can tell that they. Actually have some time of chemist. You're going on, Hey. Cloud Chasation, that's cool. I actually got to have something in mind for you. So keep listening you'll find out out. This is a Touchdowns and Tangents, your weekly spot or NFL takes culturally conciseed tangents and in context. For the coaches. What's up, good people? Touchdowns and Tangents? Back here Sunday Night Special Edition. Been off a few weeks, recharging, getting work done, doing what we do on PD camerio, and he is, can't it been? Yeah, A lot of the ship has happened in the past few weeks. NFL training camps are now in session. I believe almost all the camps are in session. I think either by Monday because the last day, but right now it's mostly rookies and camp veterans are slowly reporting. Drove by the boat the other. Day that shit was cracking. They had a line all the way around the corner. But overall, that's in the past few weeks. A lot's happened. A lot of people got paid, somebody retired, he's already out for the year. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Where do you want to start. Well, the Jets, actually, well today the Chiefs. They locked up George Carloftus on like a four year, ninety two million dollar contract. Sheesh. Let's see the Jets paid. Sauce Gardener, who I think he got like four years one hundred and thirty five million, and Gary Wilson got like four years, like one hundred twenty million or. Something like that. Yeah, he's not ninety million guaranteed, Wilson did. So you lock up both your two first round picks, your cornerstone pieces, your best corner, your best receiver. You know, you got Justin Fields. TJ. Widde up more money than his brother ever got his whole career. Yeah, four years, one hundred and twenty three million. Three I thought it was three years, one hundred and twenty three million. It's the most ever for a Deefson player. Yeah, I think that's right. Uh, Let's see who else got locked up. Well, it wasn't the Lions. Mike Williams retired, which was cutting out the big story this week. Many people thought he was going to come back. He had resigned with the Chargers, after two seasons away, people were kind of looking at him as that deal number two receiver across from mccuckie. But yeah, what do you think any I know, we had some jokes, but serious seriousness. Dude broke his neck and came back to school. Still ended up being the first round pick and played eight years, had two one thousand yard receiving seasons, and when he was healthy, he was a legit deep threat who was out here making herculean catches because his qbs. Qbs were gonna knock the hell out in games, and he was really stretching out for the ball thirty yards downfield getting blasted sometimes. I mean, yeah, Herbert's a good QB, but like sometimes you throw your receiver into a hospital bed. We don't talk about that enough that qbs are like really leaving the receivers all right, Other n****s that's been going on this week. There's been some new Jersey reveals. I know, everyone was kind of making jokes about the Chargers saying they got that mustard yellow, they got that big bird testame Street three. Andrew Whitworth compared it to when the Browns last word. Yellow in that Super Bowl run where they lost. Well, yeah, what do you what do you what did you make of some of the uniforms that you saw this past week? Charge the Saint drop uniforms to the Chargers once were cool. I like the Navy helets. I'm glad they finally got those bags. Yeah, the Chargers can really get in their bag when they want to. Everybody else is like, you're not just you're not really revealing in the uniform. It's just an alternate that you could probably wear this year. So it's like it's rare somebody changed it, Like the Saints didn't really change up their whole uniforms game. It's still black and gold, you know, but it is what it is. And shout out to Donnica Sue this she retired last week, called it the career. I think after what thirteen seasons something like that. Yep, and the chip and he said I should have been paying more than Matt Stafford since I was drafted before. I was the next first round pick A lot of time. Oh pro damn near won the Heisman. Seventy one, act should have won the Heisman. Got screwed by Texas and the reps, and. I think I'm black balled out the League for a little bit, for sure, because teams didn't want to pay him. They didn't want to pay him teammate or anything. Yeah, he actually did exactly what you wanted him to do, which is be a Offens's worst nightmare, and you got mad when he crashed out. All right, you want to move on to college football? Wow? Yeah, one thing the Commander signed von Miller. I was obviously saving that for a touchdown and turnover. I didn't know that, all right, Yeah, let me uh, let me play some stuff. So I was at. I was at Mount West Media Day in Vegas this past week. I talked about what I'll say, what happened to me on the way. Back on my. But at the pleasure of interviewed a bunch of Mount West coaches and players. I'm not gonna play all the interviews because it's a lot of interviews, but place some poortant ones, like first new coming coach into the Mount West for Freendsnoe State, Matt dis He was formerly the head coach at North Dakota State. He took a linebacking coach job at. SC last season, and now he's the head coach at Fresnoe State. So here's about here's a conversation I had with him second ship. It's not let me connect, that's who mm hmm, it's broadcast Kenny. That on. H right now it right o. Be connected? Coach? Good? Good? How how's it been now. You go from a USC now you're a friend of state. How's the field being a full time head coach? Again? It's been good? Uh. You know there's a different demands, you know, when you're an assistant coach or a coordinator, you have this is your process weekly. When you're a head football coach, it's a little bit different, but it's been It's kept me busy, that's for sure. Trying to make sure from a staff standpoint, from recruiting, fundraising, you know, there's a lot of irons in the fire. These days, but keeps the energized. That keeps you moving every day and there's something to get done. And we're only but surely continue to improve. Obviously, you know, since you're familiar with the California market, I was recruiting band. How is it you know. When you see guys we're going to be from Juco just high school kids and maybe one another the radar, how is it? You know, handling this recruiting base at Fresnel State. Well, we were a little bit behind going into the class of the class of twenty six, you know, because we got in you know, part way. But I think we've done a really good job to pain traction in the state of California. I believe having been at USC the previous year gave me some contacts, gave me some people that I could lean on, that I could trust through this process and kind of understanding how West Coast recruiting is different than Midwest recruiting, where I spent the majority of my career. So, you know, I think the experience. At USC was tremendous, you know, for me, especially as I took a head coaching job on you know, the West coast here. But our staff does a great job. I think high school coaches, I think high school administrators are super excited and that Fresno State is emphasizing the State of California education program on campus. So it seems like wherever I go, whatever high school I visit, there's either a teacher, there's an administrator that has a Fresno State degree, and I know those people are super excited to see the red and white backun buildings. As a feel known like you still can lean on you know, North Capron State, just all your Midwest ties. Well, we've tried to do that a little bit. If you look at our recruiting class, you look at some of the recruits that we brought in in the class of twenty five, you'll see young men from Chicago, young men from Omaha. You know, we'll have a little bit of a Midwest flair. But again it's we're Fresno State, the Ford, Paul, the v It's a national brand. And so I think we can utilize those areas. As secondary and I'm gonna repeat secondary recruiting areas with our primary area being the state of California. How the alumni based kind of reached out to you, tapped in and just let you know, okay. You know, one of the things that we've tried to create when we got when I say we are staff and myself on campus is a former players you know, organization, and we call it the BFL. It's something that's kind of grown some legs of its own and rapidly expanding. But we want our former players, we want them to know that they're the foundation of our program. We wouldn't be where we are without them. We've got them back to practice. We had a spring tailgate. We'll have a couple of different functions during the season. We have a coffee with the coaches during fall camp where we invite just former players back to come to practice, to watch and to see. You know, within about one hundred mile radius of Fresno, there's four hundred former players. We want those players to know that they're still an integral part of what we do and who we are. And for asking like Gingry, he talked about how much like I'm an impact you had. We talk about a man. Eric. So when you look this linebacker group, the d L group, Corey former was you look at the defense, how juiced up where they were? You know when you first got to meet them. I don't know if you know, I don't know how juice stuff. They were hurt, but hopefully they were excited to know that, Uh, you know, they had a head coach that had defensive background. I think having been at USC, you know, I know that there's a lot of conversation Eric Gentry and Corey. Eric Gentry and DJ Lafitte, who's a former sc player. Eric knows a lot of the guy

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NFL takes and topical tangents for football nerds, casual sports fans & the culture since 2016. Touchdowns and Tangents balances real life experience with the most cultural and concise commentary from the week's football news. Since 2016, the weekly podcast features live football news breakdowns along with live guest interviews. Pete D. Camarillo and Kenneth Frank host the syndicated podcast from Los Angeles. Featured guests include athletes, journalists, entrepreneurs and other people at the intersection of sports and culture. Our archives don't lie. Find out more at Touchdownsandtangents.com.