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touch point is a podcast dedicated to discussions on digital marketing and online patient engagement strategies for hospitals, health systems, and physicians' practices. In each episode, hosts Reed Smith and Chris Boyer dive deep into a variety of topics on the digital tools, solutions, strategies, and processes that are impacting the healthcare industry today.

  1. 6D AGO

    TP481: Data Accuracy Is a Brand Decision

    Health systems have spent decades building brand equity. Almost none of that investment touched the data layer that determines how AI represents them to patients who never reach the website. When an AI agent tells a patient that an urgent care is closed and it isn't, the brand absorbs the damage. The data that caused the failure lived in a system marketing didn't own, maintained by a team that didn't know data accuracy was a brand function. That gap isn't a communication problem between marketing and IT. It's a structural one: nobody assigned it. The shift that makes this urgent isn't AI in the abstract. It's the move from owned channels to intermediary channels. Healthcare built its brand infrastructure to control what patients see on the website, in the portal, in the ad. When AI becomes the intermediary, the brand is only as strong as the data AI is reading. Emotional resonance, institutional reputation, patient experience scores: none of that translates to machine-readable signals. The data either says what it needs to say, or it doesn't. Chris Boyer and Reed Smith frame the investment paradox before bringing in their guest: Why healthcare brand strategy has a structural blind spot and where the money actually goes What the lifecycle of a data accuracy failure looks like inside a health system, from the physician directory to the patient complaint Why data accuracy is a brand investment decision, not an IT readiness decision The three accountability layers most health systems haven't assigned: operational, structural and strategic Why the urgency is new even if the underlying problem isn't Martha Van Berkel, CEO and co-founder of Schema App, joins to provide the mechanism. She draws the line between schema markup as a page-level tactic and schema markup as trust infrastructure: the data layer that lets organizations control how AI represents them rather than waiting to see what AI infers. She also distinguishes data readiness from human readiness, two separate organizational problems that healthcare is conflating, and offers a practical starting point for CMOs who are looking at this for the first time. If your brand strategy doesn't include a data accuracy component, you've built something worth protecting on a foundation you haven't checked. Mentions from the Show: Martha Van Berkel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martha-van-berkel Schema App: https://www.schemaapp.com Reed Smith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reedtsmith/ Chris Boyer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisboyer/ Chris Boyer website: http://www.christopherboyer.com/ Chris Boyer on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/chrisboyer.bsky.social Reed Smith on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/reedsmith.bsky.social Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 4m

  2. MAR 25

    TP480: The Brief Only Has One User

    User-centered design has one quiet flaw: it assumes a single user. Healthcare has spent 15 years learning to center the patient. Journey maps, empathy research, consumer insight — the infrastructure for understanding the person receiving care is real and growing. What healthcare hasn't built is any equivalent accountability for the people expected to deliver that experience. The scheduler fielding calls a campaign generated. The service line director whose workflow just changed. The clinical staff asked to execute a new pathway on top of everything else they're already carrying. They aren't in the brief. They aren't in the journey map. And when the initiative falls apart at rollout, nobody calls it a design failure. They call it a change management problem. They say staff were resistant. They say operations didn't prioritize it. What they don't say: those people were never treated as users. Chris Boyer and Reed Smith examine why the internal user experience of a healthcare initiative is structurally unmeasured, organizationally unowned, and almost always addressed too late: Why patient experience has infrastructure behind it (scores, research budgets, dedicated roles) and the internal user has almost none How speed-to-launch pressure and diffuse rework costs produce a decision that looks rational and produces predictable failure The measurement gap: what gets measured gets designed for, and nobody is measuring whether the service line director's needs were addressed Why the seam between marketing and operations is unmeasured and why unmeasured seams don't get fixed How accumulated distrust compounds over initiatives and why "we've always done it this way" is often less about habit than about what the process has taught people to expect Steve Koch, co-founder of Cast and Hue, brings the frameworks: Jobs to Be Done and the four forces applied not to patients, but to the people who execute the work. His argument is the practical extension of the structural case - empathy interviews before the brief is built, not alignment meetings after the design is done. If your organization has patient experience leadership and no one whose job includes the internal user experience of your initiatives, you already know where things break. The question is whether you're willing to call it a design problem. Mentions from the Show: Prosci Best Practices in Change Management, 12th Edition https://www.prosci.com/blog/the-correlation-between-change-management-and-project-success Prosci / Stakeholder Inclusion Survey. https://www.prosci.com/blog/how-to-use-a-stakeholder-engagement-plan-sep StatPearls / NCBI Bookshelf — Change Management in Health Care https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459380/ Cast and Hue — https://www.castandhue.com Steve Koch on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevepkoch/ Reed Smith on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/reedtsmith/ Chris Boyer on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisboyer/ Chris Boyer on BlueSky https://bsky.app/profile/chrisboyer.bsky.social Reed Smith on BlueSky https://bsky.app/profile/reedsmith.bsky.social Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    54 min

  3. MAR 18

    TP479: Agile in a Waterfall World (or Don’t Go Chasing Waterfalls)

    Running sprints inside an organization that hasn't changed anything else isn't transformation. It's double the work. Chris Boyer and Reed Smith examine what isolated Agile adoption actually produces in health systems — and what it exposes about the organizational infrastructure no methodology can fix on its own. Mentions from the Show: Only 23% of Agile-experienced executives say their org can shift resources quickly; only 34% say culture naturally enables Agile: Bain & Company, "How Agile Is Powering Healthcare Innovation" — https://www.bain.com/insights/how-agile-is-powering-healthcare-innovation/ Siloed structures as primary barrier to Agile at scale in large enterprises: Agility at Scale research review, 2025 — https://agility-at-scale.com/implementing/transformation-leadership/ 55% of organizations cite poor leadership as top barrier to cross-functional OKR alignment (prerequisite for Agile): Hyperdrive Agile OKR research, 2024 — https://hyperdriveagile.com/articles/breaking-silos-how-advanced-okr-cross-functional-performance-drives-unprecedented-growth-83 CEO "follow me, I'm just behind you" case study — management stuck in old-fashioned way while development teams ran Agile: Bain & Company, "Agile Innovation" — https://www.bain.com/insights/agile-innovation/ Healthcare structural and cultural barriers to Agile implementation: Rahman et al., SSRN, August 2024 — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5041524 Real Agile blockers: decisions, load, trust, habits — finance and HR structural changes required: Bee'z Consulting / Scrum Alliance, 2025 — https://www.beez-consulting.com/blog/adopting-an-agile-culture-and-practices-in-healthcare-challenges-and-solutions Agile at scale requires finance, HR, and governance to shift — not just team-level training: Scrum Alliance, Coaching for Transformation microcredential framework — https://www.scrumalliance.org/microcredentials/coaching-for-transformation-sustaining-change Reed Smith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reedtsmith/ Chris Boyer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisboyer/ Chris Boyer website: http://www.christopherboyer.com/ Chris Boyer on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/chrisboyer.bsky.social Reed Smith on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/reedsmith.bsky.social Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    38 min

  4. MAR 11

    TP478: The Journey Nobody Told Operations About

    The language of lifecycle engagement, continuous care relationships, and whole-person experience has fully colonized healthcare strategy decks. Marketing invested in journey maps. Leadership signed off on CRM platforms and digital front door initiatives. The consumer lifecycle is drawn on whiteboards in conference rooms across the country. And yet: the scheduling system still fills slots, not relationships. The EMR still closes the encounter at discharge. The call center still routes to availability, not context. The follow-up that fires after a visit is an automated survey, not a clinical touchpoint. The patient who received a personalized "we care about your whole health" email walks into an appointment where the provider has never seen it. Healthcare has rebranded the patient journey. It hasn't redesigned the organization that delivers it. Chris Boyer and Reed Smith examine the specific gap between what health systems promise through their consumer experience strategy and what patients actually encounter when the operational infrastructure hasn't changed: Why "consumer journey" became a marketing framework rather than an operational commitment — and what got left out when it did The post-discharge cliff: why most health systems treat discharge as an endpoint when a journey framework requires it to be a transition How scheduling logic, EMR workflows, and call center scripts were built for encounter resolution — not relationship continuity The channel handoff failure: why patients who begin digitally often restart from zero when they call or show up Who actually owns the seam between departments — and why the honest answer is usually nobody The episode ends with a direct challenge: before your organization launches its next lifecycle campaign or publishes its next patient journey map, someone should be able to answer a basic question. What is the operational commitment behind this? Not the technology investment. The operational commitment. If your CEO asked you today to show them where in the organization the consumer journey is operationally owned, could you give a straight answer? Mentions from the Show: "Value-based care adoption grows, but challenges remain": https://www.hfma.org/reference/value-based-care-adoption-challenges/ "Innovation in Pursuit of Patient-Centered Care": https://catalyst.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/CAT.24.0245 "Reducing Hospital Readmissions": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK606114/ "Reducing readmission rates through a discharge follow-up service": https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6616175/ "What is Healthcare CRM?": https://www.leadsquared.com/industries/healthcare/what-is-healthcare-crm/ "The continued growth of VBC, in 4 charts": https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2025/06/04/vbc "Engaging Complex Health System Boards in Quality and Safety Governance":  https://catalyst.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/CAT.25.0276 Reed Smith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reedtsmith/ Chris Boyer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisboyer/ Chris Boyer website: http://www.christopherboyer.com/ Chris Boyer on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/chrisboyer.bsky.social Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    42 min

  5. MAR 4

    TP477: The Trust Debt: The Hidden Cost of Automating the Wrong Things

    Automation was sold as a way to scale good experiences. It scales bad ones just as efficiently. Healthcare has spent the last decade deploying chatbots, portals, AI-generated content, and personalization engines in the name of patient experience. The ROI case was built on efficiency: lower cost per interaction, faster throughput, reduced call center volume. What was never put on the balance sheet is what happens to patient trust when those systems fail — and they fail regularly, quietly, and without anyone in the organization knowing it happened. That's trust debt. Every time an automated system fails a patient and the patient absorbs the cost silently — closes the portal, hangs up, stops engaging — a withdrawal is made from an account most health systems never knew they had. It doesn't show up in satisfaction scores. It shows up in churn, in rising call volumes that automation was supposed to reduce, in patients who schedule once and don't come back. Chris Boyer and Reed Smith work through where the debt is accumulating right now — and where automation is actually doing the opposite: Why AI-generated health content optimized for fluency, not accuracy, is seeding doubt in the patients most likely to engage with it How portal adoption metrics are measuring the wrong signal — and why enrollment without satisfaction is just a larger audience for your frustration Where DXP personalization crosses from service into surveillance — and how thin consent frameworks are accelerating that perception What trust-building automation actually looks like, and what it has in common with the best human interactions in healthcare The three questions every team should ask before the next automated touchpoint goes live The research is catching up to what practitioners already sense. AI safety disclaimers in patient-facing responses dropped from 26% in 2022 to under 1% in 2025. Sixty-one percent of patients say they'd consider switching providers over a better digital experience. And the 2025 Edelman Trust and Health report found that no institution — not business, not government, not NGOs — is trusted to address patient needs. Healthcare is operating in a trust deficit it didn't create alone, but automation is making it worse in ways that are largely invisible to the organizations doing it. The question isn't whether to automate. It's whether you've been honest about what you're actually scaling. Mentions from the Show: TP456: When AI Speaks for the Patient — touchpoint.health TP460: When Digital Speaks for the Patient — touchpoint.health TP470: When AI Becomes the First Stop for Care — touchpoint.health AI errors in healthcare — Healthcare Brew, August 2025: https://www.healthcare-brew.com/stories/2025/08/20/healthcare-execs-ai-errors Declining medical safety messaging in AI — npj Digital Medicine, October 2025: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41746-025-01943-1 ECRI Top 10 Patient Safety Concerns 2025: https://www.medtechdive.com/news/ecri-patient-safety-report-2025-ai/742114/ ONC Patient Portal Access Data Brief 2024: https://healthit.gov/data/data-briefs/individuals-access-and-use-patient-portals-and-smartphone-health-apps-2024/ Experian Health patient portal switching stat: https://www.experian.com/healthcare/solutions/patient-engagement-solutions 2025 Edelman Trust Barometer: Trust and Health: https://www.edelman.com/trust/2025/trust-barometer/special-report-health 2026 Edelman Trust Barometer: https://www.edelman.com/trust/2026/trust-barometer Reed Smith on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reedtsmith/ Chris Boyer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisboyer/ Chris Boyer website: http://www.christopherboyer.com/ Chris Boyer on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/chrisboyer.bsky.social Reed Smith on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/reedsmith.bsky.social Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    38 min

  6. FEB 25

    TP476: Good Enough for People Is Not Good Enough for Machines

    Health systems have spent 20 years optimizing for the patient who searches, clicks, and reads. They are not optimizing for the agent that queries, evaluates, and routes. Those are two different audiences — and most organizations are only ready for one of them. The digital front door was built on a human assumption: that discovery begins with a search, passes through a website, and ends in conversion. Agentic AI doesn't use doors. It uses structured pathways, machine-readable attributes, and decision logic that operates entirely outside your owned channel. The routing is already happening. The question is whether health systems are in the decision set - or invisible to it. The infrastructure making this possible isn't speculative. Model Context Protocol (MCP), now an open standard backed by Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google DeepMind, defines how AI agents connect to external tools and data sources. NLWeb, launched by Microsoft in May 2025, turns websites into machine-queryable endpoints. Together, they create an execution layer on top of your digital ecosystem. And most hospital websites aren't built to be legible to it. Chris Boyer and Reed Smith work through what this shift actually requires: Why the patient journey now runs conversation → AI interpretation → machine routing → conversion — and health systems control only the last step What breaks when machines encounter unstructured provider bios, inconsistent service line naming, and scheduling availability gaps Why brand strength built on emotional resonance doesn't translate to machine-readable signals — and what does The gap between "78% of health systems engaged in AI projects" and the 52% that feel operationally ready to implement them What a practical machine readiness audit looks like, and who inside the organization should own it The organizational problem is as hard as the technical one. Marketing owns content but rarely owns schema. IT owns infrastructure but rarely thinks in terms of machine-readable patient experience. Someone has to own machine readiness as a cross-functional problem. Right now, almost no one does. If your digital strategy was designed for the patient who searches, clicks, and reads -  it was not designed for the agent that queries, evaluates, and routes. Mentions From the Show:  Dean Browell on LinkedIn Danny Fell on LinkedIn Reed Smith on LinkedIn Chris Boyer on LinkedIn Chris Boyer website Chris Boyer on BlueSky Reed Smith on BlueSky Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    37 min

  7. FEB 18

    TP475: Is AI Making Us Better… or Just Cheaper?

    Artificial intelligence is being framed as innovation. But sometimes it sounds a lot like cost cutting. In this episode of Touch Point, hosts Chris Boyer and Reed Smith tackle a provocative question sparked by recent headlines describing workforce reductions as “AI productivity savings.” If thousands of jobs are eliminated under the banner of efficiency, is that transformation — or just margin management with better branding? Healthcare is under pressure to do more with less. AI is now embedded in marketing, access, scheduling, operations, and content workflows. But how are we actually measuring success? Is it: Revenue growth? Cost efficiency? Improved patient experience? Or simply labor reduction? Chris and Reed introduce a balanced AI value framework built around four dimensions: growth impact, cost efficiency, experience enhancement, and trust durability. Because in healthcare, productivity alone is not strategy — and cost savings without context can distort behavior. Then, they welcome guest experts Danny Fell and Dean Browell for a deeper executive-level discussion on how to position AI initiatives to the C-suite. How do you communicate long-term brand and trust value in a boardroom that applauds immediate cost reductions? And how do you avoid what they call “productivity theater” in the AI era? This episode challenges healthcare leaders to rethink ROI before AI reshapes the definition of value itself. Mentions From the Show:  Dean Browell on LinkedIn Danny Fell on LinkedIn Reed Smith on LinkedIn Chris Boyer on LinkedIn Chris Boyer website Chris Boyer on BlueSky Reed Smith on BlueSky Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    1h 2m

  8. FEB 11

    TP474 - Inside Healthcare's Dark Funnel

    Healthcare marketers are seeing something strange: campaigns look like they’re working, but analytics can’t explain why. In this episode, Chris Boyer and Reed Smith unpack what’s really happening inside healthcare’s “dark funnel” — the growing share of patient decision-making that happens outside trackable channels. Patients are increasingly influenced by AI summaries, private communities, reputation signals, and access realities long before they ever visit a website. By the time someone schedules care, the decision has already been shaped — just not in places marketing dashboards can see. This conversation explores: What the dark funnel actually is and why it’s accelerating in healthcare How AI tools are reshaping discovery before patients ever search Why reputation now acts as a signal of future loyalty, not just a score Where attribution breaks down — and why that doesn’t mean marketing is failing How health systems can influence decisions they’ll never directly measure If patient intent is forming off the radar, the real question isn’t how to track it — it’s how to stay relevant when your brand is being inferred instead of discovered. Mentions From the Show:  Reed Smith on LinkedIn Chris Boyer on LinkedIn Chris Boyer website Chris Boyer on BlueSky Reed Smith on BlueSky Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    39 min
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touch point is a podcast dedicated to discussions on digital marketing and online patient engagement strategies for hospitals, health systems, and physicians' practices. In each episode, hosts Reed Smith and Chris Boyer dive deep into a variety of topics on the digital tools, solutions, strategies, and processes that are impacting the healthcare industry today.

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