Trust Talks & Digital Dives

DIACC

Trust Talks & Digital Dives (T2D2) features invited experts who explore tools and processes for verifying information authenticity while putting privacy, security, and control at the centre of the design. T2D2 threads Canadian perspectives through a global digital economy value lens and raises awareness of individuals and organizations on the society-changing benefits and challenges of digital trust. We connect the value of verifying information authenticity with A.I., cybersecurity, open-banking, ethical research, fight fraud, protection the vulnerable, and much more.  When it comes to digital trust - we've got you covered!  T2D2 is produced by DIACC. DIACC is Canada's largest and most diverse voice on digital trust and identity. We're a not-for-profit association of public and private sector members championing digital trust and identity capabilities with privacy and security built in by design. To learn more about DIACC, visit DIACC.CA.  Message podcast@diacc.ca to recommend a future guest or topic. If you enjoy our content, please subscribe and share our podcast with a friend. 

  1. Aug 26

    #39 Facial Age Estimation: An Inclusive Way to Assess Age

    Age assurance is becoming an essential component of creating safer digital experiences—but misconceptions about facial age estimation continue to shape public perception. Many people mistakenly associate it with facial recognition, raising concerns about privacy, surveillance, and data collection. In this episode of Trust Talks & Digital Dives, we sit down with Yoti’s Julie Dawson, Chief Regulatory & Policy Officer, and Jason Martyres, Product Engineer, to separate fact from fiction surrounding facial age estimation. Together, they explain how the technology works, why it does not identify individuals or store personal data, and how it enables organizations to verify age while protecting user privacy. From accuracy and fairness to regulation and the future of reusable age assurance, this conversation explores how facial age estimation is helping organizations build trusted, privacy-preserving digital experiences. Featured Guests Julie Dawson, Chief Regulatory & Policy Officer at YotiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliedawson/Jason Martyres, Product Engineer at YotiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonmartyres/Moderator Joni Brennan, President at DIACCLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonibrennan/Key Discussion Topics & Questions What is facial age estimation, and how does it differ from facial recognition?Why is facial age estimation often misunderstood, and what are some of the biggest myths surrounding the technology?How is facial age estimation built, and how does it protect user privacy without storing personal information or relying on a central database?How accurate is facial age estimation, and what do independent benchmarks, such as those conducted by NIST, tell us about its performance?How has Yoti worked to ensure facial age estimation is inclusive, fair, and trusted by consumers?How have regulators in jurisdictions such as the UK, Germany, and Australia evaluated facial age estimation?What are age buffers, and how can organizations determine the right approach for their age assurance needs?How could reusable age assurance through digital wallets, tokens, and passkeys shape the future of digital identity?References & Resources Practical Guide to Implementing Age Assurance Effectively: https://www.yoti.com/blog/practical-guide-implementing-age-assurance-effectively/Yoti MyFace Liveness white paper: https://www.yoti.com/blog/yoti-myface-liveness-white-paper/Facial Age Estimation white paper: https://www.yoti.com/blog/yoti-age-estimation-white-paper/Discussion Paper: Where in the Tech Stack Should Age Assurance Sit and How Should It Be Done?: https://www.yoti.com/blog/discussion-paper-where-in-the-tech-stack-should-age-assurance-sit-and-how-should-it-be-done/

  2. Aug 18

    #38 Digital Travel, Secure Identity, and Cross-Border Trust: Lessons from Veridos and G+D

    In this episode of Trust Talks & Digital Dives, we explore how European innovation in digital identity and secure credentials is shaping the future of trusted digital travel and public–private collaboration. This discussion features Franziska Muschik, Senior Product Manager Innovations + Business Development at Veridos, and Andrew Johnston, Business Development Executive at Giesecke+Devrient (G+D). Drawing on the deep expertise of Veridos and G+D in secure government identity, digital travel credentials, authentication technologies, and wallet ecosystems, this conversation examines how physical and digital credentials are converging to enable secure, seamless, and trusted cross-border experiences. Together, we unpack key developments in the European Digital Identity (EUDI) framework, insights from large-scale pilots such as Aptitude and WeBuild, and what these advancements mean for Canada. We discuss interoperability opportunities between Europe and Canada, the evolution of digital travel credentials, and how secure identity solutions are strengthening trust across government and private sector ecosystems. Guests: Franziska Muschik, Senior Product Manager Innovations + Business Development at VeridosAndrew Johnston, Business Development Executive at Giesecke+DevrientModerator: Joni Brennan, President at DIACC Key Discussion Topics & Questions What key developments in European digital trust and identity should Canadians understand?EUDI and Aptitude and WeBuild PilotsYour areas of focusWhere do you see the most critical opportunities for interoperability with Canada?How are Veridos and G+D advancing secure, trusted identity across private sector and government ecosystems?What lessons from European pilots would benefit Canadian policymakers and implementers?Additional Questions How are digital travel credentials evolving, and what relevance do they have for Canada?What insights have emerged from G+D and Veridos’ participation in EU digital identity pilots?How do secure credentials (physical + digital) intersect with emerging wallet ecosystems?What opportunities exist for cooperation between Canada and Europe on border modernization?References & Resources G+D Secure Customer Authentication Solutions: https://www.gi-de.com/en/financial-platforms/trusted-software/authenticationNetcetera mySSI: https://www.netcetera.com/netcetera-identity/mySSI.htmlVeridos Mobile ID: https://www.veridos.com/en/solutions/mobile-id/Get to Know Franziska Muschik: https://www.linkedin.com/in/franziska-muschik-8685181a9 Andrew Johnston: https://www.linkedin.com/in/atjohnston/ Joni Brennan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonibrennan/

  3. Jun 17

    #37 From KYC to KYA: The New Frontier of Agentic Identity, Payments, and Travel

    The rise of Agentic AI is shifting the economy from human-initiated to agent-initiated transactions. As AI agents begin booking travel, authorizing payments, and acting on our behalf, a new trust challenge emerges: How do we verify an agent’s authority, accountability, and legitimacy? In this episode of Trust Talks & Digital Dives, we explore the Agent Payment Protocol (AP2) and the emergence of Know Your Agent (KYA). We’ll dive into how Verifiable Credentials (VCs) act as the tamper-proof ‘connective tissue’ for digital contracts, ensuring non-repudiable accountability. By bridging these protocols with the travel industry’s fragmented regulatory landscape, we are building a ‘Minimum Viable Future’—where identity, consent, eligibility, and payment flow in a single, seamless motion. Guests: José Israel Castro, Identity Solutions Senior Manager, North America & Central America at FacephiMike Luparelli Mathieu, Product Innovation Director at FacephiModerator: Joni Brennan, President at DIACC Key Discussion Topics & Questions We’ve spent decades perfecting 'Know Your Customer' (KYC). Why are you arguing that in the next three years, 'Know Your Agent' (KYA) will actually be the more critical security framework for the travel and payment industries?Travel is notoriously fragmented—between airlines, hotels, and border control, the 'last mile' of a seamless journey always seems out of reach. How do Verifiable Credentials (VCs) solve the consent problem without requiring a single, global database?If an AI agent books a non-refundable hotel room by mistake, who is on the hook? How do cryptographically signed digital contracts ensure that agentic transactions are actually non-repudiable?You’ve coined the term 'Minimum Viable Future.' What does a travel experience actually look like when identity, eligibility, and payment move together in 'one motion'?Are there any last remarks or recommendations you would like to share with the audience?References & Resources Facephi: https://facephi.com/en/Facephi & IATA Partnership: https://facephi.com/en/news/we-partnered-with-iata-to-drive-100-digital-air-travel/Get to Know José Israel Castro: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jose-israel-castro-m-10330952/ Mike Luparelli Mathieu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/msluparellimathieu/ Joni Brennan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonibrennan/

  4. May 27

    #36 Canada on the Global Stage: AML/ATF Challenges & Opportunities

    In this episode of Trust Talks & Digital Dives, we explore Canada’s evolving role in combating anti-money laundering (AML) and anti-terrorist financing (ATF) risks on the global stage. Featuring Laurie Clark, Co-founder, Principal, and Director at Canchek Corporation, the conversation examines why Canada continues to face scrutiny despite having strong regulatory frameworks, and how enforcement, coordination, and technology modernization are shaping the future of compliance. The discussion dives into the realities facing Canadian firms — from escalating regulatory expectations and reputational risks to the growing need for real-time monitoring and automation. We also explore the role of AI-driven compliance tools, the importance of transparency and auditability, and why Canada has the potential to become a global leader in compliance innovation through stronger execution and smarter technology adoption. Guest: Laurie Clark, Co-founder, Principal, and Director at Canchek Corporation Moderator: Joni Brennan, President at DIACC Key Discussion Topics & Questions Why is Canada under scrutiny when it comes to money laundering and terrorist financing?How does Canada’s trusted financial ecosystem create both strength and vulnerability?How has Canada’s AML/ATF regulatory landscape evolved over the last decade?What did recent FATF evaluations reveal about Canada’s AML performance and implementation gaps?What are the biggest compliance challenges facing Canadian companies today, especially smaller firms and fintechs?What are the real-world financial and reputational risks when AML compliance fails?How can automation and real-time monitoring technologies help firms manage compliance obligations more effectively?Are regulators becoming more open to AI-driven compliance and monitoring solutions?What does the next five years of AML/ATF regulation and enforcement in Canada look like?How can Canadian companies position themselves to lead globally in compliance innovation?References & Resources Canchek Corporation: https://www.canchek.comFINTRAC AML Guidance: https://fintrac-canafe.canada.caFATF Evaluation Reports: https://www.fatf-gafi.org Get to Know Laurie Clark, Co-founder, Principal, and Director at Canchek Corporation: https://www.linkedin.com/in/smartenupinstitute/Joni Brennan, President at DIACC: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonibrennan/

  5. 09/10/2025 ·  Bonus

    #34 Talking Trust in Auto Finance

    In this mini-episode of Trust Talks & Digital Dives, we explore the pressures shaping today’s auto finance sector and how trusted digital identity verification can ease those challenges. With rising fraud risks and shifting consumer expectations, lenders and dealers face mounting costs and operational hurdles. Our discussion with Anne-Marie Kelly, Pulkit Arora, and Leigh Day looks at how digital identity tools help reduce fraud, streamline financing flows, and save organizations money while protecting customers. Together, we highlight practical ways in which identity verification strengthens trust in auto finance and preview themes that will be expanded upon during the September 23 webinar. Register Here for DIACC’s Information Sharing Session: Tackling Fraud and Identity Risks in Auto Retail and Finance: https://www.universe.com/events/diacc-s-information-sharing-session-tackling-fraud-and-identity-risks-in-a-tickets-6CWJFY DIACC Automotive Retail Sector Resources: https://diacc.ca/auto-dealers/Get to Know Our Guests:  Anne-Marie Kelly, Head of Fraud at PaaysPulkit Arora, Founder & CEO at DabaduLeigh Day, Business Development at Yoti CanadaModerator: Joni Brennan, President at DIACC:Key Discussion Topics & Questions: What market pressures and fraud challenges are auto lenders and dealers facing today, and how are these impacting both businesses and customers?How can digital identity verification help reduce fraud and save money in the auto finance process, while still keeping the customer experience smooth?References PaaysDabaduYotiDIACC

  6. 08/27/2025

    #33 Talking Money Mule Account Detection with Facephi and How Advanced Biometrics Drive Fraud Prevention

    In this episode of Trust Talks & Digital Dives, we delve into the growing threat of money mule accounts, a significant challenge in financial fraud where criminals exploit stolen identities to launder illicit funds. Our discussion features Facephi, a leader in digital identity verification solutions, as we dive into the challenges in detecting mule accounts and how advanced biometric technology, including facial recognition and liveness detection, helps combat identity document fraud. We also examine how AI-powered identity verification enables financial institutions to detect suspicious activity while maintaining a seamless customer experience. Finally, we look ahead at how innovations will shape the future of fraud prevention and financial security. Guest: José Israel Castro, Senior Identity Solutions Manager at FacephiModerator: Joni Brennan, President at DIACC Key Discussion Topics & Questions 1. How do criminals use stolen identities to open money mule accounts, and why is this a growing financial fraud problem? Criminals are increasingly relying on money mule accounts to move illicit funds tied to scams, phishing attacks, and organized financial crimes. These accounts are opened using stolen, leaked, or synthetic identities, which are often obtained through data breaches or social engineering. Once created, the accounts are used to receive, transfer, and withdraw money, making it more difficult to trace the origin of fraudulent transactions.  There are three main types of mule accounts:  Complicit mules: Opened with fake or stolen identities and directly operated by criminals. Willing mules: Individuals who knowingly let their accounts be used in exchange for a commission. Unwilling mules: Victims who are manipulated into transferring money, unaware they’re aiding criminal activity.This issue is rapidly escalating. According to SEPBLAC, up to 5% of global GDP, around $2 trillion, is laundered each year, and over 4 million fraudulent accounts were identified globally in the last year alone.  To understand how this works in real life, here are two real-world examples of authorized fraud, cases where victims themselves perform the transactions under deception, making detection even harder:   Case: “The fake bank call” (unwilling mule)  Ana receives a call from someone claiming to be from her bank’s security team. The fraudster knows some of her details (full name, ID digits, recent transactions), increasing credibility. She’s been informed of suspicious activity and asked to transfer her funds to a “safe” account. Under emotional pressure, she voluntarily transfers €6,000 using her usual device and 2FA. The receiving account belongs to a mule, who immediately withdraws the money. Since Ana authorized the transaction, it's considered valid despite being a scam. Case: “WhatsApp identity scam” (willing or complicit mule)  Marta receives a message from an unknown number claiming to be her son: “Hi mom, this is my new number.” Hours later, “her son” asks her to urgently pay a phone bill since he lost access to his bank. Marta transfers €980 to the account provided, trusting the request. Only later does she learn her son never changed his number. A mule used the account to withdraw the funds. These examples show how easily fraudsters exploit emotional trust and identity data, bypassing traditional security systems. Since transactions appear technically legitimate, banks may struggle to detect or reverse them, especially when the recipient is a mule using a verified identity.  That’s why fighting mule accounts requires a new layer of defence, continuous identity verification, behavioural biometrics, and anomaly detection powered by AI, to go beyond credentials and assess intent, context, and behaviour in real time.  This isn’t just a compliance challenge. It’s a growing threat to the integrity of the entire financial system.    2. What are the biggest challenges in detecting mule accounts, and how can advanced digital identity solutions, like Facephi, help combat this issue? One of the biggest challenges is that traditional systems are designed to detect unauthorized access, such as Account Takeover (ATO) attacks. Still, they’re not prepared to identify mule accounts, especially when it comes to voluntary or involuntary types.  At Facephi, we focus on proactive detection, and that completely changes the game. We use three main approaches:  Pre-fraud signals: We analyze early warning signs from the moment the account is opened, including transactions, banking channels, and devices shared between accounts. Dynamic risk scoring: We employ a dynamic classification of accounts, enabling us to assign a risk score and anticipate potential fraudulent activity. Collaborative intelligence: We promote secure and privacy-compliant data sharing between financial institutions to detect fraud patterns at scale. This enables us to stop fraud schemes before they’re activated, not after.   3. How does biometric technology, including facial recognition and liveness detection, strengthen prevention efforts against identity document fraud? The user verification process we use at Facephi leverages biometric data to validate a person’s identity, while also ensuring the document they’re using is legitimate.  First, the user scans their ID document using automated OCR technology, which instantly extracts the data. In the same step, the document’s authenticity is verified.  Then, the user takes a selfie, and our passive liveness detection confirms that it’s a real person in front of the camera, not a spoofed photo or video. We then match the facial features with the document image to ensure they align.  The process concludes with advanced verification steps, including checks on age, location, device, and cross-references with official databases, watchlists, or self-exclusion schemes.  If a financial institution needs even stronger authentication, it can also add other biometric modalities, such as voice, fingerprint, or behavioural biometrics, for continuous, silent verification.  In short, these technologies not only prevent the use of fake or stolen documents, they raise the bar for security without compromising the user experience.    4. How can financial institutions use AI-powered identity verification to detect and stop suspicious accounts without causing friction for legitimate customers? Our system, powered by AI and machine learning, constantly evolves to identify new fraud threats. This enables us to analyze large volumes of data in real-time and detect suspicious patterns, without interrupting legitimate users.  Additionally, when we combine AI with behavioural biometrics, we significantly reduce false positives. That means fewer unnecessary blocks and a much smoother experience for genuine customers.    5. How will innovations in digital identity solutions, such as those developed by Facephi, shape the future of fraud prevention and financial security? At Facephi, we’re working to build a future driven by intelligent, adaptive, and collaborative solutions. We don’t just develop technologies to verify identities; we create comprehensive platforms that help institutions anticipate fraud before it happens.  This includes multibiometric authentication, document verification, behavioural analysis, consortium intelligence, and early detection of mule accounts.  Our goal is to protect users, shield institutions, and give the financial sector the tools it needs to become more resilient against any threat.  Yes, digital identity will not only serve as a layer of protection but also become the core of financial security in the future. References: FacephiDIACCGet to Know: José Israel Castro, Senior Identity Solutions Manager at FacephiJoni Brennan, President at DIACC

  7. 08/06/2025

    #32 Talking Digital Identity to Strengthen Trust in Healthcare, Elections, AI, and Online Safety

    In this episode of Trust Talks & Digital Dives, we explore the real-world impact of digital identity on critical societal challenges. Featuring experts from the Human Technology Foundation, EY, and McCarthy Tétrault, we discuss key insights from the Human Technology Foundation’s 2024 report on digital identity implementation, “Unlocking Digital Identity—Insights from Use Cases for Enhanced Implementation, Trustworthiness, and Individual Empowerment.”    Our conversation covers age verification for online safety, managing health data, securing electronic voting, and authenticating content generated by AI. How can digital identity enhance security and privacy while empowering individuals? What are the challenges and risks? Tune in as we explore solutions that strike a balance between innovation, regulation, and user trust in the evolving digital landscape. Guests:  Charles MorganNational Co-Lead, Cyber/Data Group at McCarthy Tétrault & Board Member, HTFJen Mossop-ScottDeputy Leader, Tech Strategy & Transformation, EY CanadaModerator: Joni Brennan, President, DIACC Interview Questions: Key Takeaways: What are the key takeaways from the 2024 Human Technology Foundation report on digital identity?Age Verification and Minors: Age verification and protecting minors online are growing concerns.What are the challenges, and how can digital identity solutions help?Electronic Voting: As electronic voting gains traction, concerns about security and integrity remain. What role does digital identity play in mitigating these risks?AI-Gen Content: AI-generated content is increasingly sophisticated. How can digital identity be leveraged to verify content authenticity and combat misinformation?Health Data Management: Managing health data securely while ensuring efficient healthcare delivery is a complex task. How do the report’s recommendations balance privacy, accessibility, and interoperability?Next Steps: What steps should governments, businesses, and technology providers take to build public confidence in digital identity initiatives?  References: Unlocking Digital Identity—Insights from Use Cases for Enhanced Implementation, Trustworthiness, and Individual Empowerment PaperHuman Technology Foundation Mccarthy Tétrault EY DIACC  Get to Know: Charles Morgan, National Co-Lead, McCarthy Tétrault & Board Member, HTFJen Mossop-Scott, Deputy Leader, Tech Strategy & Transformation, EY CanadaJoni Brennan, President, DIACC

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Trust Talks & Digital Dives (T2D2) features invited experts who explore tools and processes for verifying information authenticity while putting privacy, security, and control at the centre of the design. T2D2 threads Canadian perspectives through a global digital economy value lens and raises awareness of individuals and organizations on the society-changing benefits and challenges of digital trust. We connect the value of verifying information authenticity with A.I., cybersecurity, open-banking, ethical research, fight fraud, protection the vulnerable, and much more.  When it comes to digital trust - we've got you covered!  T2D2 is produced by DIACC. DIACC is Canada's largest and most diverse voice on digital trust and identity. We're a not-for-profit association of public and private sector members championing digital trust and identity capabilities with privacy and security built in by design. To learn more about DIACC, visit DIACC.CA.  Message podcast@diacc.ca to recommend a future guest or topic. If you enjoy our content, please subscribe and share our podcast with a friend.