Two Cops One Donut

Sgt. Erik Lavigne

We were asked “what exactly is the point of this show?”Answer: social media is an underutilized tool by police. Not just police, but firefighters, DA’s, nurses, military, ambulance, teachers; front liners. This show is designed to reveal the full potential of true communication through long discussion format. This will give a voice to these professions that often go unheard from those that do it. Furthermore, it’s designed to show authentic and genuine response; rather than the tiresome “look, cops petting puppies” approach. We are avoiding the sound bite narrative so the first responders and those associated can give fully articulated thought. The idea is the viewers both inside and outside these career fields can gain realistic and genuine perspective to make informed opinions on the content. Overall folks, we want to earn your respect, help create the change you want and need together through all channels of the criminal justice system and those that directly impact it. This comes from the heart with nothing but positive intentions. That is what this show is about. Disclaimer: The views shared by this podcast, the hosts, and/or the guests do not in anyway reflect their employer or the policies of their employer. Any views shared or content of this podcast is of their opinion and not intended to malign any religion, ethnic group, club, organization, company, individual or anyone or anything. 2 Cops 1 Donut is not responsible and does not verify for accuracy any of the information contained in the podcast series available for listening on this site or for watching shared on this site or others. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. 

  1. 3D AGO ·  VIDEO

    Cop Watching And Civil Rights

    send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut  Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc  *Send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com 🔗 Visit us at  TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com  🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut  🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!*   💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders  Our partners:  Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders!  GhostPatchCustoms.com  Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/  Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

    2h 42m
  2. MAY 19 ·  VIDEO

    Are Police The Real Defenders Of The Constitution

    A lot of people think policing is mostly about force, authority, and “taking control.” We see it differently. The real work is staying human while you’re tired, stressed, and surrounded by a culture that sometimes rewards cynicism, ego, and a follower mindset. Tonight we bring on Chuck and Tom from the Warlocker Show to talk honestly about what makes good cops better and what makes bad outcomes more likely, even when nobody means for things to go sideways.  We dig into command presence as calm confidence (not cockiness), why debriefs and after-action reviews are a lost art, and how peer accountability can prevent the kind of mistakes that end careers and hurt communities. We also get into constitutional policing in plain language, including a powerful reframing: police are often the ones protecting constitutional rights at home by following them, especially around First Amendment encounters, searches, and everyday discretion that can’t be replaced by a spreadsheet.  From drones as first responder and surveillance transparency to internal affairs done right, we push past slogans and deal with the messy reality of training, leadership, burnout, and officer wellness. If you care about police accountability, law enforcement training, community safety, or just want a real conversation that doesn’t turn into an echo chamber, this one is for you. Subscribe, share it with someone who argues about this stuff, and leave a review with the one change you think would make policing better. send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut  Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc  *Send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com 🔗 Visit us at  TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com  🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut  🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!*   💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders  Our partners:  Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders!  GhostPatchCustoms.com  Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/  Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

    3h 5m
  3. MAY 11

    Modern Policing In Real Life

    A neighbor pulls out a phone and starts recording a police call and suddenly the whole scene shifts. We get into why that moment triggers so many bad decisions, how “ego policing” shows up in the real world, and why detaining someone without clear articulation is not just a legal problem but a trust problem. We also talk about the part the public rarely sees: applying constitutional law on the fly is a skill, and departments do not always train officers to practice it the way the street demands. From there, we zoom out into modern policing and technology. Ring cameras and phone video create an endless chain of leads, license plate readers change how stolen vehicles get found, and drones can reshape searches and tactical decisions. The upside is obvious, but we ask the uncomfortable question: what happens when patrol investigative skills fade, systems go down, or cops start waiting for tech to do the work? We also dig into complaint culture, supervisor leadership, and why “customer service” and de-escalation are not soft skills, they are safety skills. Finally, we hit the big pressures driving everything: exploding calls for service, people using police to solve civil and family problems, staffing shortages, and lowered hiring standards. Tyler joins us to share what he’s building at The Anti-Hero Broadcast, and we break down a trooper shooting video to show how context and threat assessment can change in seconds. If you care about police accountability, public safety, constitutional rights, and the future of law enforcement, you’ll get a lot out of this one. Subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review with the toughest question you want us to tackle next. send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut  Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc  *Send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com 🔗 Visit us at  TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com  🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut  🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!*   💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders  Our partners:  Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders!  GhostPatchCustoms.com  Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/  Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

    1h 27m
  4. MAY 4

    How Much Power Should Police Tech Have?

    A cop doing 95 pulls over a rider for doing 95, and somehow thinks he’s the moral authority. That clip sets the tone for a wide-open live where we chase the hard questions: what “reasonable and prudent” really means, why small hypocrisy wrecks legitimacy, and how officers can keep ego out of enforcement without turning policing into an echo chamber. From there we jump into modern police technology, especially drone policing. We’re honest about the upside: better suspect location, fewer bad grabs, and a calmer response on high-risk calls like suspected break-ins. We’re also honest about the danger: drones and real-time tools are easy to abuse if nobody audits them. We lay out a practical transparency model with public flight logs, pilot IDs, and call numbers, built to protect investigations while still respecting Fourth Amendment concerns and public oversight. We also break down what “good policing” looks like on the street: a First Amendment auditor contact handled with zero drama, a tense moment where a person reaches for a knife after being asked about weapons, and two body cam reviews where split-second decisions, crossfire awareness, and radio habits matter. Then we call out what we think is a bad use-of-force decision with a K9 bite that didn’t need to happen, because accountability means critiquing our own too. If you value body camera analysis, police accountability, de-escalation, and real talk about law enforcement training, subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review with the part you agreed with and the part you didn’t. send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut  Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc  *Send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com 🔗 Visit us at  TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com  🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut  🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!*   💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders  Our partners:  Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders!  GhostPatchCustoms.com  Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/  Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

    2h 41m
  5. APR 27

    COPS & COUNSEL: Unfiltered Body Cam Breakdown!

    One impulsive grab on a porch. One traffic stop where a cop tries to police “respect.” One sloppy decision that feels small to the officer and massive to the citizen. That’s the thread we pull in this conversation, because the real story isn’t just viral clips. It’s how police culture, ego, and training gaps turn ordinary moments into complaints, civil rights claims, discipline, or worse. We sit down with Bridget Truxillo, founder of Lady Law Shield, a former Florida deputy sheriff with a background in patrol, undercover narcotics, and SWAT who now represents law enforcement and first responders in employment and workplace disputes. We talk candidly about what it’s like to be an active cop on social media, why public records and transparency come with the job, and how quickly the “Monday morning quarterbacking” turns into career consequences. Bridget also explains what she looks for when an officer crosses a line, and why immediate self-reporting and supervisor intervention can turn a mistake into a fixable training moment. From there we get into women in law enforcement, real-world safety, fitness standards, and why communication skills can prevent more uses of force than raw strength ever will. We also hit constitutional law training, Brady/Giglio confusion, and whether AI in law enforcement could help officers interpret rules faster without creating new risks. If you care about police accountability, body cameras, de-escalation, and building public trust without throwing good cops away, this one is for you. Subscribe for more, share this with someone who argues about policing online, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway: what training should every cop get every single year? send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut  Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc  *Send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com 🔗 Visit us at  TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com  🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut  🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!*   💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders  Our partners:  Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders!  GhostPatchCustoms.com  Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/  Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

    2h 37m
  6. APR 20

    Behind the Camera: Understanding the Audit with Otto the Watchdog

    A guy with a sign on a street corner shouldn’t be able to expose a training crisis, but that’s exactly what happens when police misunderstand the First Amendment in public. We bring on Otto The Watchdog, a longtime First Amendment auditor and activist, to talk through the real rules behind profanity, filming, and protected speech and why “I don’t like it” is not the same thing as “it’s illegal.” Along the way, we break down the case law that keeps showing up in viral videos and why basic constitutional rights training still gets treated like an afterthought.  From there, the conversation gets personal and messy in the best way. Otto shares how pretextual traffic stops over minor equipment violations pushed him into activism, and how a dispute over “needing a permit” to give away food spiraled into national attention and local backlash. We dig into police discretion, ego, and the reality that bad outcomes often come from small decisions made under stress, especially on domestics and low-level stops where officers feel pressure to “do something.”  We also tackle bigger systems: hiring red flags in small agencies, accountability gaps when officers move department to department, and why body cameras only work when someone actually reviews them. Then we step into the future with license plate readers, weighing stolen-car recoveries and missing-person wins against the risk of mass surveillance and innocent people getting swept up. Finally, we kill a popular myth: auditors aren’t getting rich off lawsuits, and real change usually comes from documentation, persistence, and public scrutiny.  If you care about police accountability, constitutional rights, free speech, and how public trust gets rebuilt, hit subscribe, share this with a friend who disagrees with you, and leave us a review. What’s one police policy you’d change tomorrow if you could? send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut  Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc  *Send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com 🔗 Visit us at  TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com  🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut  🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!*   💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders  Our partners:  Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders!  GhostPatchCustoms.com  Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/  Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

    3h 6m
  7. APR 13

    How Police And First Amendment Auditors Can Get It Right

    A calm officer can end an auditor contact in seconds. A triggered officer can turn the same moment into a lawsuit, a viral clip, and a career problem. That tension drives today’s conversation with Sgt Erik Lavigne, Banning Sweatland and Ryan Montero as we dig into First Amendment auditors, police accountability, and the real reason “name and badge number” sometimes flips a switch. We talk through why viewers can get more upset when cops and auditors both do things correctly than when one side is clearly wrong. From there we break down a body camera encounter step by step, including trespass warnings, what officers can demand during a stop, and why “failure to identify” is so often misunderstood. The bigger takeaway is about ego in policing: when you can disengage, you should, and when you cannot, you still have to stay professional and constitutional. We also pivot into quick-hit video reviews that show both ends of modern law enforcement: a strong example of teamwork and restraint after a taser deployment in the water, and multiple clips that highlight unnecessary force, poor communication, and fear-driven decision-making. Along the way we connect the dots to police training gaps, recruiting pressures, and why constitutional rights education and emotional intelligence are now critical officer safety tools. If you care about First Amendment audit videos, bodycam footage, de-escalation, use of force decision-making, and how policing can earn trust again, this one is for you. Subscribe, share this episode with someone who argues about auditors, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway. send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut  Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc  *Send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com 🔗 Visit us at  TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com  🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut  🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!*   💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders  Our partners:  Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders!  GhostPatchCustoms.com  Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/  Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

    2h 56m
  8. MAR 30

    AI Cannot Be Probable Cause

    You can learn a lot about the law by watching what people argue about in real time. Tonight we’re joined by Von Kliem, the Force Science “poster boy,” and we jump straight into the questions listeners actually care about: when a suspect runs, can police follow them into a house, and what counts as exigent circumstances or hot pursuit under the Fourth Amendment? From there we zoom out to the future of law enforcement technology. We talk AI in courts, algorithmic bias, and why facial recognition must never be treated as probable cause by itself. We also get practical about policy: case numbers, verification steps, analyst workflows, and the same common-sense rule that applies to ALPR hits too. AI can organize information, but it cannot replace judgment, validation, and accountability. Then we tackle body-worn cameras and the “record everything” debate, including muting, storage costs, battery limits, and the very real human exhaustion of being under constant scrutiny. We break down a disturbing baton video where commands and strikes collide, discuss what compliance should look like, and talk honestly about the duty to intervene when another officer loses control. We end on a needed counterweight: a coordinated search that finds a missing nonverbal autistic child safe, and why moments like that still matter. If you got something out of this, subscribe, share the episode with a friend, and leave a review. What’s one policing policy you think needs to change first? send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Support the show Please see our Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoCopsOneDonut  Join our Discord!! https://discord.gg/BdjeTEAc  *Send us a message! twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com 🔗 Visit us at  TwoCopsOneDonut.com & https://www.thedonut.tv/ 📧 Contact us at twocopsonedonut@yahoo.com  🎧 Subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify, and Amazon Music at “2 Cops 1 Donut” Donate Here: https://buymeacoffee.com/twocopsonedonut  🔔 *Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more insightful discussions on law enforcement and community safety!*   💬 *Join the conversation in the comments below!* #TwoCopsOneDonut #PublicSafety #ErikLavigne #firtsresponders  Our partners:  Peregrine.io: Turn your worst detectives into Sherlock Holmes, head to Peregrine.io tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you or direct message me and I'll get you directly connected and skip the salesmen. Ghost Patch: tell them Two Cops One Donut sent you and get free shipping on Flex Shield orders!  GhostPatchCustoms.com  Insight LPR license plate recognition technology provides 24/7 real-time insight for homes, businesses and neighborhoods. Protect what matters most! Visit https://insightlpr.com/  Retro Rifle: Official Clothing of Two Cops One Donut. Hawaiian Shirts, Guns, and Pop-Culture! head to Retro-Rifle.com tell them we sent ya!

    1h 50m
4.4
out of 5
54 Ratings

About

We were asked “what exactly is the point of this show?”Answer: social media is an underutilized tool by police. Not just police, but firefighters, DA’s, nurses, military, ambulance, teachers; front liners. This show is designed to reveal the full potential of true communication through long discussion format. This will give a voice to these professions that often go unheard from those that do it. Furthermore, it’s designed to show authentic and genuine response; rather than the tiresome “look, cops petting puppies” approach. We are avoiding the sound bite narrative so the first responders and those associated can give fully articulated thought. The idea is the viewers both inside and outside these career fields can gain realistic and genuine perspective to make informed opinions on the content. Overall folks, we want to earn your respect, help create the change you want and need together through all channels of the criminal justice system and those that directly impact it. This comes from the heart with nothing but positive intentions. That is what this show is about. Disclaimer: The views shared by this podcast, the hosts, and/or the guests do not in anyway reflect their employer or the policies of their employer. Any views shared or content of this podcast is of their opinion and not intended to malign any religion, ethnic group, club, organization, company, individual or anyone or anything. 2 Cops 1 Donut is not responsible and does not verify for accuracy any of the information contained in the podcast series available for listening on this site or for watching shared on this site or others. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. 

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