Two Off The Tee

Jeff Shin

Brothers Jeff and James Shin — proudly high-handicap Chicago golfers with long-time careers in real estate and lending — break down their world of golf: gear, matches, league drama, course stories, and the grind of getting better. It’s rivalry, personality, and unfiltered golf talk from two guys who compete on and off the course. If you’re into golf, banter, and the real amateur grind, this is your show.

  1. 1d ago

    If You Take Mulligans, You Can't Break 100

    James read out every player he thought was getting eliminated from Sunday's playoff, and when he got to his own brother's name he didn't even pause. Jeff had to sit there and take it, on his own show, four days before he has to go play the tournament. It took about four seconds for the word "traitor" to come out, and the rest of that segment is two grown men arguing about whether one of them is the LeBron James of a golf league that started with six people. That's the middle of the episode. The end is worse, and it's why this one is titled the way it is. Jeff brought the comment section with him — the people who keep writing in that we're not on tour, we're not professionals, so the rules of golf don't apply. He takes it apart: the breakfast ball, the foot wedge, the five-minute search for a ball everybody watched go out of bounds, the mulligan because you didn't leave the house early enough to warm up. His verdict is that the guys who need a mulligan are the guys who can't break 100, and he tells a story about shooting 55 on the front nine to explain how he knows. James agrees with all of it. Then James mentions, in passing, that Jeff fidgets with the ball when he takes a drop — and Jeff comes back with dates, courses, and a full accounting of James's own breakfast balls from last year. James's defense is "I don't recall." It goes about as well as that has ever gone for anybody. Before any of that: the guy who faked a hole-in-one. He put a ball in the cup before sunrise, told his group his grandmother was dying so he could go play the hole alone, and claimed the ace with five figures on the line. His club had him on camera. We get into the part nobody else is arguing about, which is whether the internet's response has outrun the actual crime, and whether you would genuinely turn in a guy in your own group on a Sunday. Plus Jon Rahm, who is reportedly still owed more than $100 million by a league that just cancelled its own season finale. Jeff says you fight for every dollar of it. James says you can't collect from someone who doesn't have it. Neither gives an inch for six straight minutes. Also in this one: why course reviews should show the reviewer's handicap before you take them seriously, the courses around Chicago we are not going back to, the burden carried by the one guy in every group who books the tee times, and a shout-out to a man who changed his flight home from a wedding in Colorado and upgraded his seat four rows closer to the exit so he could sprint off the plane and make his tee time. WHAT'S IN THIS EPISODE - The fake hole-in-one, the grandmother, and the security cameras - Would you hire a guy who cheats at golf if he brought you $10 million? - Jon Rahm, $100 million, and a league that turned off the money printer - Why a year away from the tour is never really just a year - Sunday's playoff: 15 players, 7 advance, and both hosts pick the whole field - James picks against his own brother - Golf course reviews are lying to you - Good, fast, cheap — you only get two - "We're not on tour" and the case against the mulligan - The hypocrite verdict, and no free relief Does a mulligan belong in a friendly round, or is it just vanity? We ruled against it. Come tell us we're wrong. Follow the show so you don't miss the next one, and leave a rating if this one made you argue with your steering wheel — it helps people find us. Two Off the Tee. Jeff Shin and James Shin.

  2. Aug 10

    Every Golf Rule People Want Changed Is Just Asking for Mercy

    Jeff played with a guy who put two, sometimes three balls in play off every tee and then got irritated with the group about it. His whole defense was that he's better than this. Jeff's answer, which he ends up repeating three separate times over the next twenty minutes: if you have to ask whether you can hit another one, you already know you're wasting my time. I'm not here to watch you golf all day. Play your shot. That kicks off a segment James named live on the air — What Grinds My Gears — and it takes over almost half the episode. Five things he's been fed by his own algorithm all week, and he brings them one at a time. Are breakfast balls and mulligans okay. Should white stakes just be played as a lateral instead of stroke and distance. The divot rule. The gallery drop, where everybody swears they watched it land in bounds and then nobody can find it. And the one the internet will not let go of, that golf takes too long. Here's the thing about that block: they agree on all five, and it still runs almost half an hour, because the person they're arguing with isn't in the room. Jeff eventually says out loud who it is. Every one of those complaints, he says, is a bad golfer asking not to be penalized so much. Hit the ball in the fairway. If you can't hit driver, hit the next club and stop pretending. And if you don't like the way the game is built, go make your own sport. The best part is James arguing against himself. He hates the white stake. He has lost real money to it. He thinks the penalty is genuinely brutal — and he wants it kept exactly as it is, because fifteen years of never taking a mulligan is the reason he can end up on a downslope under a tree on 18 with no backswing, punch out sideways, and run it all the way onto the green instead of blowing up and carrying it to the next hole. He's got a name for it, and it's the thing Jeff has been saying to him since they started: just don't hit it there. The Path to Par regular season is finished. Randall Oaks closed it, and the sixteenth and final playoff spot out of a twenty-six player field came down to nine points. A lot of the guys who were already safe skipped it, which left the day wide open for the people who had nothing to lose — including a guy who picked that Sunday, of all Sundays, to post what's probably his personal best. Jenny shot a 78 and James was riding in her group and had no clue until he pulled up the app afterward. And Tom, who needed the day, was one over on the back nine through sixteen, took a 3-wood, hit a little baby fade, and put it in the water. James was in the cart with him, and James was cheering on the inside. That one swing handed him the regular season, the number one seed, and the bye. Playoff one is August 16th at Seven Bridges. Fifteen guys play, seven advance, James sits it out. Jeff has already named three players he thinks are getting knocked out, said they'd all be surprises, and pointed out that one of them is not him. That's on the record now, and there's a scoreboard coming. Plus: LIV might be filing, and the brothers get into which player actually gets burned when your contract is backloaded instead of front-loaded. Jeff makes the case that LIV should have built something new instead of a second PGA Tour and pitches the Grass League as the model. He coached a friend to a win by re-simulating all eighteen holes on a screen the night before and never touched a club himself. And the turf samples for Simmies Golf are finally in hand — the bay is going black, the stance area has to be green because nobody makes it black, and the hat guy still will not return a phone call. So settle it. How long is too long for a round of golf? Jeff's number is five and a half hours, and he'll tell you why four is not even mathematically possible. Two Off the Tee — two Korean American brothers arguing about golf. Follow the show so you're around when Seven Bridges settles Jeff's three-name prediction.

  3. Aug 3

    A $700 Round at Erin Hills and 72 Holes in Three Days

    Jeff had already taken a penalty drop. He hacked it out, chipped on, and left himself twelve inches. He walked up expecting somebody to wave it off the way he'd been waving putts off all morning, and instead one guy said it wasn't good and another said he was too far away to tell. So Jeff putted it the way you putt a twelve-incher, missed by a hair, and watched it trickle twenty feet down the slope. That's where this episode really starts. Jeff's position is that gimmes have no definition, that he gives far more than he gets, and that it happens because everybody in our league has decided he's the rules guy and behaves accordingly. James's position is simpler: putt it out, it takes four seconds, he likes the sound. Then they try to write the rule live and every version falls apart. Three people have to agree? What if one of them's a pushover. Inside the shaft length? What about a downhill three-footer on glass. They never land it, and James closes the whole thing with one question Jeff has no answer for. James spent the weekend in Wisconsin playing Lawsonia, thirty-six at Mascoutin and Lac La Belle, and Erin Hills on Sunday. Erin Hills is now the best course he's played, and it's a seven hundred dollar round by the time the caddie's taken care of. He shot 85 on a body that had already given out, had a caddie flatly overrule the yardage grid on his phone and be right about it, and fell asleep at the clubhouse dinner table at eight o'clock. He's forty now and he's done playing thirty-six in a day. Jeff's weekend was the opposite. A course left the blue tournament pins in after a scramble, cut on slopes so severe that a putt past the hole rolls back into the fairway, and his group refused to switch to the yellows. Then Old Oak backed up so badly that four groups were sitting on the 14th tee, and Jeff was the only person in the traffic jam who called the clubhouse about it. His group told him he was being a Karen. He finished in four hours anyway. Path to Par comes down to Sunday at Randall Oaks. James plays Tom for the number one seed and the bye with a shoulder that's already hurting, the cut line is tight enough that three or four guys can still play their way in or out, and Jeff is openly working out whether he can knock a specific guy out over what happened to him last season. Meanwhile the former champ wants an automatic playoff invite and got told no, and a Ryder Cup is getting planned for after the season, which last time meant eight Koreans against eight everybody-else. Plus: a twenty-one-year-old wins the 3M Open in his third PGA Tour start and beats Scottie by three, LIV cancels its team championship in Michigan and Jeff says he's read they may be headed for bankruptcy, Patrick Reed's year on the sidelines is nearly served, the Simmies Golf permits are filed and the wait list is open, and a group in Oklahoma called us out on Instagram and offered to travel, which is why there's now a handicap requirement to get a match with us. So be honest. What's your line on a gimme? Two Off the Tee — two Korean American brothers arguing about golf every week. Follow the show so you don't miss what happens at Randall Oaks.

  4. Jul 27

    Every Golfer Knows Exactly What They're Doing Out There

    James thinks Bryson stepped down that rough on purpose and that every golfer watching knows exactly what happened. Jeff thinks one camera angle isn't the whole story, and that the rule is so subjective you can't hang a guy on it. They go at it for six minutes — Patrick Reed's bunker, the fescue at the Internet Invitational, whether a subconscious step even counts as cheating — and neither one gives an inch. Then it stops being about the pros. Jeff admits on the mic that he's watched James's ball move when he settles his club in the rough, and that he's never once called the penalty. Not because he didn't see it. Because he decided the argument wasn't worth what it would cost. Which is the setup for the story we didn't expect to tell this week: after our major at McCrae, somebody in the league quietly reached out to Jeff about a drop he took on the first hole. Nobody saw it. Nobody would ever have known. He was ready to disqualify himself over it. We're keeping his name out of this, but that's the guy the whole game is supposed to be built on — and it exposed something we need to fix, because none of us actually know where the stakes are on that hole. The rest of the major is its own movie. The Discord melted down the night before over one message about which tees people were playing. James and Matt trade the lead all afternoon on greens that roll like glass. James triples 16 and tells Matt his name's going on the trophy. Then he putts through a divot somebody left three feet from the cup on 17 — "no pebble or stone is gonna take my glory" — and stands on 18 with 65 yards in and forty people on the balcony, an inch away from a walk-off eagle. Sixth McCrae title in ten years. Plus: Charlie Woods gets camera-clicked mid-swing at the U.S. Junior Amateur and the internet decides golfers are soft, Ryan Fox pulls the trigger in seven seconds while Cantlay takes forty-five (and Jeff makes an annoying case that slow might be correct), the season finale at Randall Oaks on August 2 with the cut line, the bye and a bounty on Tom all still alive, and the permits are officially filed for Simmies Golf in Carol Stream. Would you have called the penalty on your own brother? And be honest — would you have turned yourself in? Let us know. Two Off the Tee — two Korean American brothers arguing about golf every week. New here? Follow the show so you don't miss the Randall Oaks finale.

  5. Jul 20

    Anthony Kim Got Robbed + Simmies Golf Is Real

    Jeff dropped a comment telling Anthony Kim he should've won Comeback Player of the Year at the ESPYs — and Kim actually saw it. That sets off the argument that opens the episode: is a 12-years-gone, fought-through-addiction return a bigger comeback than an NFL star bouncing back from an Achilles tear? Jeff says it's not close. James thinks it's a great story that maybe doesn't belong on an award-show stage. Then the news we've been sitting on for months: we signed the lease for Simmies Golf. After 10 weeks of commercial negotiations that felt like buying a car in slow motion, we've got the keys to a 6-bay, 24/7 indoor simulator in Carol Stream — phone-unlock the bay, hit range balls or play 18 in the AC, get all your data, and actually afford it. Permits are going in and we're aiming to open in September. Podcast, league, and now the sim — the whole thing comes full circle. From there: the Path to Par rolls into McCrae for the second major, where the greens are basically glass and five-putts are a real threat. We break down the tight cut-line and bye-week race, why nobody wants to end up at Seven Bridges, and why you should never, ever call a 3-foot putt a gimme. Plus Jeff drafts Cowboy into his major group on purpose (and threatens to bring a stopwatch to time everybody's ball hunts), and the haters series keeps growing — if you're a non-scratch golfer in Chicago who hates Jeff's takes, consider this your invite. Tell us: which comeback was better — Anthony Kim or the NFL star? And what would make you drive to a 24/7 golf sim? We read the comments. Two Off the Tee — two Korean American brothers arguing about golf every week. If you're new, follow the show so you don't miss the McCrae major recap.

  6. Jul 13

    A Villain Is Born — Golf Haters, League Cheaters & YouTube Golf vs the PGA | EP35

    Jeff spent last week telling amateurs they don't need a rangefinder. This week the internet came for him — and a villain was born. Now he's ready to fight every hater in his comments, and James is gleefully pouring gasoline on it. From there we get into the stuff every weekend golfer actually argues about: is YouTube golf really more popular than the PGA Tour now? Was that "plus-3.5" who got smoked by hole 14 ever a plus-3.5? Should you be allowed to blast music from your cart — or does the whole course have to hear your playlist? (Jeff's answer: wear some earbuds.) Then it gets personal and a little dark inside our own league. With the cut line tight and a major next week, we rolled out a new anti-cheating rule — mark your playing partner's ball, call "sus," and it's minus 1,000 points if you're caught. Jeff tells the story of the guy who somehow switched golf balls on hole 10, and we get honest about the thought that crosses every golfer's mind when there's money on the line and nobody's watching. Plus: Jeff's "boring golf actually works" redemption arc (an 82, a hole-in-one, and a lot of laying up), Brother vs Brother Game 3 locked for Arrowhead with Jeff down 0-2, the 2v2 against Cowboy & Wick finally getting scheduled, and Path to Par heading to Mount Prospect for the first time in league history. Two brothers from Chicago, real opinions, no filter. If you play this game, you'll recognize every argument in here. Follow the show so you never miss an episode, and if you've got a take on how a league should break a tie for first — or you think you can beat Jeff on the course — we read everything

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Brothers Jeff and James Shin — proudly high-handicap Chicago golfers with long-time careers in real estate and lending — break down their world of golf: gear, matches, league drama, course stories, and the grind of getting better. It’s rivalry, personality, and unfiltered golf talk from two guys who compete on and off the course. If you’re into golf, banter, and the real amateur grind, this is your show.

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