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Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. The first season will focus on Phish’s genesis in the 1980s—through deep-dives into the music, shows and songs; interviews with people who were there for the early years; and discussion about the lasting impact of these foundational years. Undermine is a combination of Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond. Presented by Osiris Media.


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Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. The first season will focus on Phish’s genesis in the 1980s—through deep-dives into the music, shows and songs; interviews with people who were there for the early years; and discussion about the lasting impact of these foundational years. Undermine is a combination of Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond. Presented by Osiris Media.


Looking for Under The Scales? Episodes from 2020 and earlier are archived here!

    The Early Compositions

    The Early Compositions

    Core to the music of Phish are complex, evolving, emotionally moving compositions. Many of these early songs—Divided Sky, You Enjoy Myself, Foam, and others—remain highlights of the live experience. These songs created early in Phish’s career have stood the test of time, but what makes them so special? 


    In this episode, we’ll hear about three of these songs from Don Hart, the composer and arranger who has worked with Trey Anastasio for more than 15 years; and Drew Hitz, a classically trained musician and Phish fan. Don and Drew will walk us through these songs and talk about why they are such enduring pieces of Phish’s catalog. 


    Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.
     
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    • 54 min
    The 80s Rock Scene

    The 80s Rock Scene

    Phish’s song David Bowie combines quirky lyrics with an intricate musical arrangement that’s fit for a symphony. Starting with a discussion of the spirit and substance of this song, and a focus on the 8/29/87 version, Brian Brinkman and David Goldstein then use 1980s Phish to examine other notable bands from the decade like Minutemen, Yo La Tengo, Hüsker Dü, and R.E.M. 


    Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.
     
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    • 54 min
    The Early Shows

    The Early Shows

    How did Phish go from playing cafeteria gigs at UVM to Madison Square Garden in only 10 years? We start to chart this path by looking at shows from 1983-1986, where intimate venues like Nectar’s and Doolin’s offered the band a chance to practice and refine their live sets. And at the same time, more experimental shows at places like Goddard College allowed the band to push further into the unknown. At the same time, the transition from a two-guitar band to a four-piece with keys, and the introduction of lots of new songs, combined to lay the foundation of Phish’s modern sound. 


    In episode two of Undermine, RJ Bee, Jonathan Hart, Matt Dwyer, and Brad TenBrook explore some of Phish’s fundamental shows from 1983-1986, and the songs, venues, and overall sound that developed during these years. 


    Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


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    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.
     
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    • 1 hr 6 min
    The Origins

    The Origins

    How did a band with no major label from a small city in Northern Vermont become one of the biggest bands in music within a decade? What were the origins of Phish and what laid the foundation for their cultural timeline and organic growth?


    In the first episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall brings in the perspectives of fans and collaborators who saw their rise in Vermont and helped to create the scene that was critical as the band found their groove and structure in the early 80s. 


    Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.


    Visit SunsetLakeCBD.com and use the promo code UNDERMINE for 20% off your purchase of premium quality CBD products.


    Start your path toward investments that align with your values. Visit www.greenfuturewealth.com and mention "Osiris" when scheduling your free virtual consultation to receive your free investment report.


    Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.
     
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    • 58 min
    Undermine Trailer

    Undermine Trailer

    Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. The first season will focus on Phish’s genesis in the 1980s—through deep-dives into the music, shows and songs; interviews with people who were there for the early years; and discussion about the lasting impact of these foundational years. Undermine is a combination of Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond. Presented by Osiris Media.
     
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    • 2 min
    079:Two Versions of Me

    079:Two Versions of Me

    This is the final Under the Scales episode! We are merging with two other Phish podcasts to form Undermine, a new weekly podcast starting in February 2021.
    In this episode, friend and Osiris colleague Mike Finoia joins Tom to discuss the song Two Versions of Me, a Phish song written in 2003.


    If you are currently an Under the Scales subscriber, you don’t have to do anything — you will automatically be subscribed to the new podcast Undermine. Otherwise, subscribe NOW to not miss any amazing Phishy, weekly content!


    Special Thanks to Mark Dowd - original Producer for Under the Scales, photo artist AND designer of the famous Under the Scales logos over the years.


    Thanks to Anna Marshall who sang on both Under the Scales intro-jingles AND was a great guest.


    Thanks to Nick Cejas for somehow always getting Under the Scales to bubble up to the top of the Osiris Media social feeds.


    Thanks to Christina Collins for exemplary sponsorship and advertising work for Under the Scales.


    Thanks to Adam and Kirsten and the Osiris team for overwhelming support and encouragement.


    Thanks interns Sammy and Matt for all your hard work!


    Thanks to Matt Dwyer for helping me out of tough audio fixes now and again.


    Thanks to Jesse Lauter for REALLY saving my bacon TWICE with completely broken interview audio that somehow you magically fixed!


    Thanks to Tebo for being there always.


    Thanks to Scott Herman for finding the right words.


    Thanks to Scott Gray for keeping the dream alive.


    Thanks Trey for the music and mystery!


    Thanks Beth Rowles on the Phish team for so much help and support.


    Thanks Patrick and Jason at Red Light for endless and tireless assistance.


    Thanks to my amazing Reefers!


    Thanks to my faithful longtime listeners!


    Thanks to my brand new listeners and everyone in-between!


    Thanks to all the amazing guests who appeared on Under the Scales!


    Thanks to RJ Bee for saying “yes, and…” — plus, literally everything else.


    Hugs to my family for dealing with living in the same house as a podcaster…it’s not always easy!


    It’s been a great ride!


    Love, from Tom
     
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    • 46 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
1.3K Ratings

1.3K Ratings

Souleyes ,

Inspired choice

The re-brand was a fantastic idea. Love what you guys are doing. Keep it up and thank you!

jmk3270 ,

Jumped the Shark?

The first couple episodes were really cool but the latest episode took a weird turn into 80s music history.

mandomanjo ,

Missing HF Pod

Two great shows & one “meh” combine for one mediocre podcast.

So far, the rebrand is coming across way too scripted... I miss the informality. The Beyond The Pond segment should have remained its own separate thing. Not for me... pretty much zero Phish content on a Phish podcast.

I’ll keep listening in hopes this new platform finds its voice.

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