Intro/Outro: “Spacelab,” by Kraftwerk -- -- Interviewees: Greg Lemke, PhD, Distinguished Professor Emeritus, Salk Institute Ryan Rosen, Friendly Futures John Galante, President, AE Ventures -- Discussed: People Louis Kahn — architect of the Salk Institute Greg Lemke — distinguished professor emeritus, Salk Institute Tony Hunter — Salk professor; discovered tyrosine phosphorylation Jonas Salk — founder of the Salk Institute Eero Saarinen — architect of Bell Labs Holmdel and IBM Yorktown William Pereira — architect of Geisel Library and master planner of UC Irvine Walter Netsch — SOM architect of Northwestern's University Library Dawn Clark Netsch — Illinois legislator and comptroller; Walter Netsch's wife Frank Gehry — architect; designed Facebook/Meta's MPK20 campus Mark Zuckerberg — co-founder and CEO, Meta Theodor Geisel (Dr. Seuss) — namesake of UC San Diego's Geisel Library Cormac McCarthy — novelist, author of The Road; longtime Santa Fe Institute fellow Bruno Latour — sociologist of science; co-author of Laboratory Life Steve Woolgar — co-author with Latour of Laboratory Life Christian Catalini — MIT economist; research on lab proximity and collaboration Eric Klinenberg — NYU sociologist; author of Palaces for the People Jan Gehl — Danish urbanist William H. Whyte — urbanist behind the Street Life Project Ryan K. Rosen — founder and creative director, Friendly Futures Aaron Hurst — founder and CEO, U.S. Chamber of Connection John Galante — president and founder, AE Ventures Bryan Boyer — University of Michigan; co-author of Chain Drain ("Brian" in the transcript) Kelly Alvarez Doran — co-founder, Ha/f Climate Design; formerly MASS Design Group Buildings, Campuses & Places Salk Institute for Biological Studies — La Jolla, CA Salk Institute architecture — history and design of the Kahn campus UC San Diego — University of California, San Diego Geisel Library — UC San Diego UC Irvine — William Pereira's radial campus plan Torrey Pines Mesa — San Diego's research and biotech corridor La Jolla — San Diego community Bell Works (former Bell Labs Holmdel) — Saarinen's Holmdel research campus, now adaptively reused IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center — Yorktown Heights, NY Santa Fe Institute — complexity research institute Northwestern University Library — Walter Netsch's brutalist library Jussieu Campus — Sorbonne University, Paris Meta MPK20 — Frank Gehry-designed Menlo Park office The RaDD (Research and Development District) — IQHQ's downtown San Diego waterfront life-science campus Gaylord Pacific Resort — Chula Vista, CA Wild Mile — floating eco-park on the Chicago River La Jolla Tennis Club — public tennis club, La Jolla Companies, Organizations & Events Friendly Futures — Ryan Rosen's social-architecture and neighborhood-games practice AE Ventures — John Galante's hosted-event company Builder Innovator — AE Ventures' content platform and summit series Urban Rivers — Chicago nonprofit behind the Wild Mile U.S. Chamber of Connection — Aaron Hurst's civic-connection nonprofit IQHQ — life-science real estate developer Alexandria Real Estate Equities — life-science REIT and lab campus developer Scripps Research — La Jolla biomedical research institute Scripps Institution of Oceanography — UC San Diego MASS Design Group — nonprofit architecture practice Ha/f Climate Design — Kelly Alvarez Doran's embodied-carbon consultancy Zonda — housing market research firm Future Place — Zonda/BUILDER master-planned community conference PCBC — Pacific Coast Builders Conference California Building Industry Association — CBIA Downtown Denver Partnership — downtown Denver business improvement organization Mortgage Bankers Association — MBA White House Council of Economic Advisers — CEA Bilt Rewards — rent-payment rewards platform WeWork — flexible workspace operator Los Angeles Dodgers — MLB franchise Los Angeles Rams — NFL franchise Insulating Concrete Forms (ICF) — Insulating Concrete Forms Manufacturers Association Otter.ai — transcription service used for this recording Publications, Papers & Works Cited Laboratory Life: The Construction of Scientific Facts — Bruno Latour and Steve Woolgar (Princeton University Press) Chain Drain: Why the Built Environment Struggles to Learn and How to Fix It — Bryan Boyer and Greg Lindsay, University of Michigan white paper Palaces for the People — Eric Klinenberg on social infrastructure The Social Life of Small Urban Spaces — William H. Whyte, Project for Public Spaces The Purpose Economy — Aaron Hurst Aerotropolis: The Way We'll Live Next — John D. Kasarda and Greg Lindsay Road to Housing Act of 2025 — U.S. Senate Banking Committee housing legislation Conquest of the Planet of the Apes — 1972 film shot partly at UC Irvine