Ungrafted is a podcast about wine, humanity, and the planet. Join Icy Liu in a series of conversations with scientists, winemakers, and industry professionals who are dedicated to pushing deeper into biodiversity, regenerative agriculture, reducing the carbon footprint of wine, increasing diversity in the wine business and more.
Episode 20: Brian McClintic (Viticole Wine) on Wines for the Future
Brian McClintic is an ex Master Sommelier who worked at the Little Nell in Aspen and starred in the SOMM documentary films. Brian launched Viticole Wine in 2016, a wine club for which he collaborates with organic wine and cider producers around the world on custom bottlings.
Today I speak with Brian about fermented beverages of the future, including multiple fruit ferments and herbal infusions. We also chat about regenerative agriculture, racism, and how to make our lives and businesses more sustainable with glass bottle recycling, homesteading, and B Corp certification.
Instagram @brianbmcclintic @viticolewine
Episode 19: Carlton McCoy MS (Roots Fund & Demeine Estates) on Black Representation in Wine
Today I speak with Carlton McCoy MS from the Roots Fund and Demeine Estates about Black representation in the wine industry.
Carlton grew up in southeast Washington DC where wine was not part of his family or culture. After winning the C-CAP (Careers Through Culinary Arts Program) cooking contest, he earned a full scholarship to the Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park, NY, which kickstarted his wine career. Carlton became a Master Sommelier when he was only 28 years old, and was the second African American to earn the title. To date, there are only 3 Black Master Sommeliers out of 269. He was the Wine Director at The Little Nell in Aspen before becoming President and CEO of Heitz Cellar and Demeine Estates.
Carlton and I discuss the situation of black wine professionals and the importance of mentorship. We also chat about the Roots Fund, which provides wine education, mentorship, and job opportunities for people of color.
To learn more about the Roots Fund founded by Carlton McCoy, Tahiirah Habibi, and Ikimi Dubose, please visit www.rootsfund.com
Instagram: @carltonmccoy @rootsfund @sippingsocialite @thehuesociety
Episode 18: Olivier Lamy (Domaine Hubert Lamy) on High Density Plantings in Burgundy
Today I speak with Olivier Lamy of Domaine Hubert Lamy in Saint Aubin, Burgundy. Olivier is one of Burgundy’s cult winemakers and a pioneer in the return to high density plantings.
Olivier discusses the history of plantations in Burgundy and Champagne, the practical choices that led to a lowering of the vine densities after phylloxera, and how his vines yield better quality grapes and perform better in warmer vintages.
Photo by: Gretchen Greer
Episode 17: Steve Matthiasson on Water Conservation in the Vineyard
I speak with Steve Matthiasson, vineyard consultant and owner of Matthiasson Vineyards in Napa, about water conservation in the vineyard.
Steve gives an overview of Napa’s climate and how farming practices have changed over the last 20 years. He cautions that drought cycles are more extreme and that all indicators show that there will be less water in the future. He discusses farming practices that help conserve water including planting cover crops, increasing soil organic matter, tilling differently, changing row orientations, and using different trellising systems and deeper rooted rootstocks. It turns out that farming practices that conserve water are also good for the soil.
Steve also talks about how certain wine styles require more irrigation, and that there is an aspect to sustainability on the consumer side as well.
Photo Credit: Elaine Chukan Brown
Episode 16: Christina Rasmussen and Daniela Pillhofer (Little Wine) on Carbon Neutral Shipping
I speak with Christina Rasmussen and Daniela Pillhofer, cofounders of Little Wine about carbon neutral shipping. Little Wine is an online wine content platform focused on organic plus and climate positive growers. Little Wine also has an online bottle shop and wine club, with carbon neutral shipping. Since their founding in April 2020, they have offset 100+ tonnes of CO2 to date. According to German nonprofit Atmosfair, that’s around 100 round trip flights from London to New York City.
Christina and Daniela talk how they chose EcoCart and a water purification project in Cambodia for their carbon neutral shipping program, where they have prevented 25,000 trees from being chopped down to date. We also talk about the future of wine distribution, and how they are inspired by fashion brand Organic Basics and Jancis Robinson.
Instagram: @littlewine.co @winecarbonara @christinarasmussen_
Episode 15: Cristiana Tiberio (Agricola Tiberio) on Montepulciano d'Abruzzo Biotypes
Today I interview Cristiana Tiberio from Agricola Tiberio in Abruzzo about biotypes. Cristiana discusses the difference between biotypes and clones. She also shares her journey identifying biotypes in her vineyard, including the Fonte Canale biotype of Trebbiano Abruzzese and 4 distinct biotypes of Montelpucinao d’Abruzzo which behave differently in the vines and the cellar.
As a winemaker I love this pod. Thanks Icy
A new voice in wine
The mantra that gets me out of bed these days is “build back better”. This wine podcast, episode by episode asks the right questions, highlights important, overlooked issues and brings hope. In no time it has become a go-to resource for the wine world to build back better and make positive change.
Excellent guests, probing conversations
One of the rare wine podcasts that get to the heart of difficult, complex topics through clear, engaging conversation among true experts.