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Hello and welcome to We Can Work It Out — the podcast that explores the history, present and future of workers’ rights. I’m your host, Dr Jonathan Lord: in each episode we’ll be delving into the stories, struggles and successes that have shaped working lives. From friendly societies to people management- we welcome academics, activist’s, trade unionist’s, policymakers and workers themselves to help us understand what fair work really means in a changing world.

  1. Episode 11 - Mick Lynch and the Making of a Working Class Hero

    MAR 31

    Episode 11 - Mick Lynch and the Making of a Working Class Hero

    In this episode of the We Can Work It Out podcast, I speak with Professor Gregor Gall, one of the most influential scholars of industrial relations in the UK, to move beyond the media image and examine the deeper story behind Mick Lynch, not as a caricature or a headline figure, but as someone shaped by a particular set of historical, social and political experiences that matter just as much as his now well known media performances. Enjoy the discussion.

    1h 15m
  2. Episode 10- Recovering Liesel Kahn-Freund - Women, Exile, and the Foundations of British Labour Law

    MAR 24

    Episode 10- Recovering Liesel Kahn-Freund - Women, Exile, and the Foundations of British Labour Law

    In this episode of We Can Work It Out, we are joined by leading scholars Professor Rebecca Zahn and Professor Miriam Kullmann. We explore how exile, gender, and the hidden labour of academia shaped not only one career, but the foundations of British labour law itself. We uncover the overlooked story of Liesel Kahn Freund, a woman whose life and work sat at the heart of one of labour law’s most influential legacies, yet whose name rarely appears in the history books. This is a story about what gets remembered, what gets forgotten, and why it matters today. Enjoy the discussion.

    47 min

  3. MAR 20

    Episode 9- A Study into the Actions of P&O Ferries in March 2022.

    In this powerful episode of We Can Work It Out, we mark four years since the mass dismissal of 786 seafarers by P&O Ferries—an event that continues to reverberate across the maritime sector and beyond. Drawing on the launch of a major new research report, this episode brings together firsthand testimony, academic analysis, and policy insight to examine what really happened on 17 March 2022—and why it still matters today. Former seafarer John Lansdown recounts the shock of being dismissed via a brief video message and the devastating aftermath, highlighting the profound personal, professional, and psychological consequences experienced by workers and their families.  The episode explores key findings from the study, including widespread dissatisfaction with communication, lack of consultation, and perceived failures in both legal protections and trade union responses. With 83% of participants reporting negative mental health impacts and many forced out of the industry altogether, the human cost of corporate decision-making is brought sharply into focus.  Beyond the individual stories, the discussion critically examines systemic issues—legal loopholes, weak enforcement mechanisms, and enduring power imbalances in employment relations. The episode concludes with a clear call to action: stronger legislation, empowered unions, and renewed collective engagement to ensure such events cannot happen again. This is not just a story about seafarers—it is a warning about the fragility of worker protections in modern Britain. Enjoy the discussion.

    1h 34m

  4. MAR 4

    Episode 8- Holding the Line Underground: Voices from the Coal Mining Museum Strike

    In the newest episode of the We Can Work It Out podcast takes us to the picket line at the National Coal Mining Museum for England, where workers supported by UNISON have been engaged in a prolonged industrial dispute. This episode is different from the usual studio discussions. It was recorded on location, speaking directly to the workers who keep the museum running and preserve the history of Britain’s coal industry.

    37 min

  5. FEB 23

    Episode 7- The Islamic Labour Code with Iftikhar Ahmad and Asghar Jameel

    This episode’s guests are Iftikhar Ahmad and Asghar Jameel, authors of the ‘Islamic Labour Code’, a groundbreaking framework that seeks to reconcile Qur’anic principles with contemporary employment law. Iftikhar Ahmad is an international labour-law scholar, policy advisor, and the founder of the Centre for Labour Research. He also works as the Global Lead – Labour Law at the WageIndicator Foundation. He has worked with the ILO and the World Bank on labour law reforms in Pakistan. His research and policy work focus on how Islamic jurisprudence intersects with international labour standards and human rights. He is the co-author of The Islamic Labour Code (Islamic Labour Code Project), a landmark attempt to codify labour rights consistent with both Islamic law and ILO conventions. Iftikhar’s mission is to bridge normative gaps between secular and faith-based approaches to labour regulation, promoting a global dialogue on decent work, ethical employment, and the moral duties of employers and workers alike. Asghar Jameel is a global HR leader, management scholar, and co-author of the Islamic Labour Code. He has held senior executive roles in multinational corporations across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia, combining practical expertise in human-capital management with a deep interest in the ethical foundations of work.  He currently works as Chief People Officer, VEON Group, which is a NASDAQ-listed company (a leading telecom digital operator in countries like Bangladesh, Kazakhstan, Pakistan and Ukraine, to name a few). Jameel’s contribution to the ILC project lies in its practical dimension, translating theological principles into concrete organisational policies on wages, contracts, leadership, and workplace justice. His work bridges the gap between faith and management practice, arguing that moral legitimacy is integral to sustainable business.

    1h 18m

  6. FEB 16

    Episode 6 - The P&O Ferries Purge Through a Seafarer’s Eyes with John Lansdown

    This episode’s guest is John Lansdown, one of 786 seafarers dismissed by P&O Ferries on 17th March 2022, one of the most shocking corporate acts in modern British employment history. After over 15 years of loyal service, he and his colleagues were abruptly fired via pre-recorded video, a move designed to replace experienced British crews with low-paid agency workers, many earning below the UK minimum wage. Rather than accept silence, John became one of the leading voices exposing the injustice. His decision to speak publicly, to Parliament, to national media, and alongside trade unions like the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers and Nautilus International, helped turn what might have been a quiet redundancy into a major national scandal. He has since become a symbol of worker resistance and moral courage, representing those who lost not only jobs but dignity, rights, and trust in Britain’s labour protections. John continues to campaign for reform of maritime employment law and stronger enforcement against exploitative corporate practices. His story offers a human face to questions of legal loopholes, corporate governance, and the moral responsibilities of employers in the twenty-first century. Enjoy the discussion.

    1h 24m

  7. FEB 2

    Episode 5 - UK Employment Tribunal History with Professor Susan Corby

    In this episode of We Can Work It Out, we explore the history of the UK employment tribunal system and ask a deceptively simple question: how did Britain move from collective dispute resolution rooted in trade unions to an increasingly individualised, legalistic model of workplace justice? My guest is Professor Susan Corby, Emeritus Professor of Employment Relations at the University of Greenwich and one of the leading scholars of employment tribunals and dispute resolution. Susan brings a rare combination of perspectives to this discussion. Before entering academia, she was a senior trade union official with both the FDA and the Royal College of Midwives, and she has since held a range of public appointments, including as a lay member of the Employment Appeal Tribunal, a member of the Central Arbitration Committee, and an ACAS arbitrator and mediator. Together, we trace the evolution of employment tribunals from their quiet introduction in 1965 through to their contemporary role at the centre of individual employment rights. We discuss why tribunals were never intended to replace collective bargaining, how political and economic change reshaped their purpose, and why the system has become steadily more formal and legalistic over time. Along the way, we examine tribunal fees, access to justice, the declining role of lay members, and what Britain might learn from alternative models of workplace justice overseas. This episode is a deep dive into how we resolve conflict at work—and what that history tells us about power, fairness, and the future of employment relations in Britain. Enjoy the discussion.

    34 min

  8. JAN 26

    Episode 4- A History of British Labour Law, 1867–1945 with Professor Douglas Brodie

    In Episode 4 of We Can Work It Out, I was joined by Professor Douglas Brodie, one of the UK’s leading scholars of labour and employment law, to explore the long and contested history of British labour law from 1867 to 1945. Drawing on his seminal book A History of British Labour Law, 1867–1945, our conversation traced how the legal regulation of work emerged, how it was shaped by social struggle, judicial reasoning, and political reform, and why this history still matters in today’s world of precarious labour, platform work, and regulatory retreat.

    1 hr
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Hello and welcome to We Can Work It Out — the podcast that explores the history, present and future of workers’ rights. I’m your host, Dr Jonathan Lord: in each episode we’ll be delving into the stories, struggles and successes that have shaped working lives. From friendly societies to people management- we welcome academics, activist’s, trade unionist’s, policymakers and workers themselves to help us understand what fair work really means in a changing world.

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  • Creator
    Dr Jonathan Lord
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    18
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2025 Dr Jonathan Lord
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