33 episodes

We Dissent is a monthly podcast by three secular women, who also happen to be powerhouse attorneys at major secular organizations in the U.S. Join us as we discuss developments affecting the separation of church and state in the US Supreme Court and lower federal courts. We’ll also explore other advocacy work we do to help atheists and other nonreligious people outside the courtroom. We know there are so many atheist podcasts and legal podcasts and you have a lot to choose from, but we hope you’ll join us, the only legal podcast for atheists and agnostics hosted completely by women lawyers. We can’t wait to start these conversations.

We Dissent Rebecca Markert

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We Dissent is a monthly podcast by three secular women, who also happen to be powerhouse attorneys at major secular organizations in the U.S. Join us as we discuss developments affecting the separation of church and state in the US Supreme Court and lower federal courts. We’ll also explore other advocacy work we do to help atheists and other nonreligious people outside the courtroom. We know there are so many atheist podcasts and legal podcasts and you have a lot to choose from, but we hope you’ll join us, the only legal podcast for atheists and agnostics hosted completely by women lawyers. We can’t wait to start these conversations.

    The Supreme Court vs. The People

    The Supreme Court vs. The People

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca break down the 2024 Supreme Court term. They explain how the Court decided the two cases affecting abortion access, then they explain several other decisions of the Court that massively disrupt how the government functions and shift even more power away from the people. 
     
    Cases and Background
    Mifepristone Case - FDA v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine
    Previous episode
    Decision
    FFRF and AA’s Amicus Brief
    AU’s Amicus Brief
    EMTALA Case - Moyle v. US
    Previous episode
    Decision
    Joint Amicus Brief
    Chevron Case - Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo
    Previous episode on regulations
    Decision 
    SEC v. Jarkesy
    Corner Post v. Federal Reserve
    Presidency and Criminal Liability Case - Trump v. US
    Decision 
     
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    Talking Reproductive Rights with Maya Rupert

    Talking Reproductive Rights with Maya Rupert

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca are joined by reproductive rights expert, political strategist, and advocate Maya Rupert. They discuss how the fight for reproductive justice is being waged post-Dobbs and why the personal has never been more political. 
     
    Background
    When We Win with Maya Rupert
    Center For Reproductive Rights
    National Women’s Law Center
    Explanation of EMTALA
    Joint amicus brief
    Episode 30 - The Mifepristone Case at SCOTUS
    Cases
    Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization (2022)
    Moyle v. United States (2024)
     
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    • 1 hr 3 min
    The Mifepristone Case at SCOTUS

    The Mifepristone Case at SCOTUS

    Not two years after overturning Roe v. Wade, the US Supreme Court is considering a case that threatens to take the abortion pill, mifepristone, off the market. Alison, Liz, and Rebecca explain how the anti-abortion activist lawsuit started, how it got to the Court, and what we learned from the recent oral arguments.
     
    Background
    SCOTUSblog
    Oral arguments transcript
    FFRF’s Trump judges report
    Americans United’s amicus brief
    FFRF and AA’s joint amicus brief
    New York Times (2021) - “F.D.A. Will Permanently Allow Abortion Pills by Mail”
    FFRF’s Ask An Atheist - “Dr. Alito, What Pills Can I Take?”
    Other Links
    Episode 9 – No Victory for Religious Liberty: Discussing Coach Prayer with Rachel Laser
    AU’s Website
    FFRF’s Website
    AA’s Website
     
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    • 1 hr 4 min
    Christians Against Christian Nationalism

    Christians Against Christian Nationalism

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca welcome guest Amanda Tyler, executive director of the Baptist Joint Committee and lead organizer of BJC’s Christians Against Christian Nationalism campaign. They discuss the urgent threat that Christian nationalist ideology poses to American democracy, how nonreligious and religious Americans alike can fight back, and Amanda explains the strong historical tradition of supporting state/church separation in the Baptist movement.
     
    Show Notes
    Amanda Tyler’s Bio
    How to End Christian Nationalism by Amanda Tyler
    Baptist Joint Committee 
    Respecting Religion Podcast
    Roger Williams Symposium: Is This a Christian Nation?
    BCJ and FFRF’s joint report “Christian Nationalism and the January 6, 2021 Insurrection” 
    Christians Against Christian Nationalism
    Previous episode that talks about the Texas chaplain bill
    BJC’s "say 'no' to chaplains in public schools"
    FFRF’s 2023 Convention Panel on Christian Nationalism 
     
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    Tax the Church!

    Tax the Church!

    Join Rebecca, Alison and Liz for a journey through the history and principles behind the U.S. exempting churches from taxation! We discuss the practice of tax exemption for charitable organizations, including churches, the major cases about the constitutionality of these ideas, and abuses of the Johnson Amendment. 
     
    Background
    History of churches and taxes
    2024 State of the Secular States report
    FFRF FAQ on churches and tax exemption
    Churchtrac - The State of Church Giving: Trends and Statistics (2024)
    IRS requirements for church audits
    Other podcasts that talk about church taxation
    Tax Chat
    Evangelicalish
    Cases
    Trinidad v. Sagrada Orden (1924)
    Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York (1970)
    FFRF’s IRS Cases
    FFRF v. Geithner (2014)
    FFRF v. Daniel Werfel (2014)
    Gaylor v. Mnuchin (2016)
    Nonbelief Relief v. Kautter (2019)
    Texas Monthly v. Bullock (1989)
    McCulloch v. Maryland (1819)
     
     
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    • 52 min
    State of the State Legislatures in 2024

    State of the State Legislatures in 2024

    It’s that wonderful time of year when Alison guides Rebecca and Liz through the upcoming legislative sessions in states across the country. We discuss upsetting trends in state legislation and bills we’re monitoring that affect the separation of church and state and threaten true religious liberty for everyone.
     
    Background and Resources
    Previous episode about the legislative process
    Previous episode about Texas
    2024 State of the Secular States report
    American Atheists State Legislation Tracker 
    What you can do
    FFRF and American Atheists’ Action Alerts
    Equality Florida
    ACLU State Affiliates 
    Reproductive Freedom For All
     
    Bills Discussed
    Religion in schools
    School chaplain bills
    Texas
    Florida
    Indiana
    Nebraska
    Alabama
    Oklahoma HB 2962: Would require the display of the Ten Commandments in classrooms
    Utah HB 269: Would allow teachers to display the Ten Commandments in classrooms
    Arizona SB 1151: Would allow teachers to display the Ten Commandments in classrooms
    West Virginia SB 280: Would allow teachers to each intelligent design as a theory of how the universe came to exist
    Trans bills
    The Guardian - “Missouri is ground zero for the firehose of anti-trans legislation”
    Missouri HB1674: Would make it discrimination for a business to allow trans employees to access appropriate bathrooms
    Utah HB 257: Would make using a bathroom that does not align with one’s sex assigned at birth a criminal trespass offense
    Healthcare
    Missouri HB 1519: Prohibits discrimination against health care professionals who refuse to assist in trans healthcare
    Oklahoma SB 1729: Would recognize abortion as homicide
    Idaho HJR001: Would remove the no aid clause from the Idaho constitution
     
    Cases Discussed
     Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971)
    Kennedy v. Bremerton School District (2022)
    Stone v. Graham (1980)
    Van Orden v. Perry (2005)
     
     
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    • 1 hr 4 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
77 Ratings

77 Ratings

MrsMarci ,

Not too nerdy

3 women lawyers bring the secular look at the law that the constitution demands without drowning the audience in case law trivia. Worth the time!

aspiring realtor ,

The best legal podcast

I found this when I was listening to the Freedom from Religion podcast and I am so happy I found this podcast. I appreciate the work that they do and how they keep the listeners informed on what’s going on.

Skeptic Matthew ,

I do not dissent

Is there a perfect legal podcast? If there is, this is it. Direct and focused on state/church entanglement which in this day and age just may be the source of all the legal and government hellscapes we're enduring. Amazingly knowledgable hosts who know how to deliver the information directly to lay people.

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