25 episodes

We Dissent is a monthly podcast by three secular women, who also happen to be powerhouse attorneys at major secular organizations in the U.S. Join us as we discuss developments affecting the separation of church and state in the US Supreme Court and lower federal courts. We’ll also explore other advocacy work we do to help atheists and other nonreligious people outside the courtroom. We know there are so many atheist podcasts and legal podcasts and you have a lot to choose from, but we hope you’ll join us, the only legal podcast for atheists and agnostics hosted completely by women lawyers. We can’t wait to start these conversations.

We Dissent Rebecca Markert

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We Dissent is a monthly podcast by three secular women, who also happen to be powerhouse attorneys at major secular organizations in the U.S. Join us as we discuss developments affecting the separation of church and state in the US Supreme Court and lower federal courts. We’ll also explore other advocacy work we do to help atheists and other nonreligious people outside the courtroom. We know there are so many atheist podcasts and legal podcasts and you have a lot to choose from, but we hope you’ll join us, the only legal podcast for atheists and agnostics hosted completely by women lawyers. We can’t wait to start these conversations.

    It’s Time to Wake Up! With Prof. Marci Hamilton

    It’s Time to Wake Up! With Prof. Marci Hamilton

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca are joined by Professor Marci Hamilton, legal icon and leading expert on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) and extreme religious liberty. Professor Hamilton explains the origin story of RFRA, how it has led us to the emerging theocracy we face, and what Americans can do to reclaim true religious liberty before it’s too late. 
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    Background
    Professor Marci Hamilton’s bio
    CHILD USA, Prof. Hamilton's think tank
    FFRF’s FAQ on RFRA 
    Congressional Research Service primer on RFRA
     
    Cases
    City of Boerne v. Flores (1997)
    Employment Division v. Smith (1990)
    Tanzin v. Tanvir (2020) 
    FFRF’s amicus brief, written by Marci Hamilton
    American Atheists and Center For Inquiry’s amicus brief
    303 Creative LLC v. Elenis (2023)
    U.S. Pastor Council (Braidwood Management) v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (2023)
    Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. EEOC (2012)
     
     
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    • 44 min
    Back to (Public) School!

    Back to (Public) School!

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca go back to school! They discuss the latest wild and crazy state/church violations in public schools reported to their organizations, the postscript on the Coach Kennedy case, and the alarming move by Oklahoma to create the first religious public school.
    Background
    Pray to Play report
    Prayer Walks and Public Schools report
    We Dissent Episode 5 – You, Coach Kennedy, are no Tim Tebow
     
    Complaints Discussed
    Auburn University football team baptism
    Baptism in Charlotte County Public Schools, FL 
    “Jesus and Germs are Everywhere” sign in Victor Valley Union High School District, CA
    Prayer walk in Marion County Public Schools, FL
     
    Cases
    Kennedy v. Bremerton School District (2022)
    Liz Cavell, FFRF - “Praying coach’s actions do not alter the Constitution”
    Hiram Sasser, First Liberty - “School district that fired praying coach Joe Kennedy under investigation, again”
    Stone v. Graham (1980)
    Trinity Lutheran v. Comer (2017)
    Espinoza v. Montana Dept. of Revenue (2020)
    St. Isidore Charter School Lawsuit - OKPLAC v. Statewide Virtual Charter School Board (2023)
    Attorney General O'Connor’s December 2022 letter
    FFRF’s January 2023 memo
    Attorney General Drummond’s February 2023 letter
    Engel v. Vitale (1962)
    Resources
    American Atheists Report a Violation
    FFRF Report a Violation
     
     
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    • 1 hr 11 min
    Let’s Talk About Texas

    Let’s Talk About Texas

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca take a deep dive into Texas for a case study in theocratic government. They discuss recent Christian nationalist legislation advancing in the state, the takeover of state institutions by conservative Christian legal groups, and the many state/church battles their organizations have fought in Texas. 
     
    Background
    Texas Monthly - “How a Right-wing Law Firm Shaped the Judge Who Will Rule on the Abortion Pill”
    The Washington Post - “Texas legislature passes bill allowing chaplains in public schools”
    Religion News Service - “More than 100 chaplains urge Texans not to hire school chaplains”
    FFRF, Americans United, and the ACLU/ACLU of Texas letter to Texas school districts
    FFRF - “Thou shalt honor our secular public schools, Texas” 
    Texas Tribune - “Key supporter of Texas school chaplain bill has pushed for evangelism in schools”
     
    Resources
    FFRF Action Alert sign-up
    FFRF report a violation
    American Atheists report a violation
    American Atheists Action Alerts sign-up 
    School Chaplain Law Advocacy Toolkit
    Interfaith Alliance “Say No to Chaplains in Public Schools” campaign page
     
    Bills Discussed
    HB 4949/SB 1396 and SB 19: Would allow a period of prayer and reading of the Bible or other religious text in public schools
    SB 17: Would have created the right for a public school employee to engage in religious speech or prayer while on duty
    SB 1515: Would require the display of the Ten Commandments in public schools
    SB 763: Would allow school districts to employ chaplains to perform the duties of school counselors
    Cases
    American Atheist’s Metroplex Atheists lawsuit
    FFRF’s Texas Bill of Rights display lawsuit
    FFRF’s praying judge lawsuit
    Stone v. Graham (1980)



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    • 1 hr 8 min
    Reclaiming Religious Liberty with Liz Reiner Platt

    Reclaiming Religious Liberty with Liz Reiner Platt

    Alison, Liz, and Rebecca discuss a better vision for religious liberty with Liz Reiner Platt, director of the Law, Rights, and Religion Project, a law and policy think tank based at Columbia Law School. They talk about using religious exemptions to promote progressive social causes and issues, including the legal fight for a right to abortion based on freedom of conscience.
     
    Background
    Liz Reiner Platt bio
    Law, Rights, and Religion Project
    We Dissent episode about 303 Creative
     
    Resources
    All Faiths and None: A Guide to Protecting Religious Liberty for Everyone
    A Religious Right to Abortion: Legal History and Analysis
    Parading the Horribles: The Risk of Expanding Religious Exemptions
     
    Amicus Briefs
    LRRP - Dousa v. U.S. Department of Homeland Security
    LRRP “ No More Deaths” case - United States vs. Warren
    American Atheists - Tanzin v. Tanvir
    LRRP - United States v. Safehouse 
    LRRP and FFRF - ​​Jane Doe v. AG of Indiana Amicus Brief 
    LRRP - 303 Creative v. Elenis
     
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    • 57 min
    Supreme Mess

    Supreme Mess

    The Supreme Court continues to mess up civil rights for everyone. In this episode Rebecca and Liz discuss the two opinions handed down by the Supreme Court at the end of June, Groff v. DeJoy and 303 Creative v. Elenis. They recap the case, summarize the rulings, and discuss implications of the decisions.
     
    Background
    Groff v. DeJoy
    SCOTUS decision
    SCOTUSBlog - “Justices rule in favor of evangelical Christian postal worker”
    Vox - “The other big decision handed down by the Supreme Court today, explained”
    AA Groff v. DeJoy press release
    FFRF Groff v. DeJoy press release
    303 Creative v. Elenis
    SCOTUS Decision 
    SCOTUSBlog - “Supreme Court rules website designer can decline to create same-sex wedding websites”
    Vox - “Neil Gorsuch has a problem with telling the truth”
    FFRF 303 Creative press release
    AA 303 Creative press release
    Cases
    Trans World Airlines, Inc. v. Hardison (1977)
     
     
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    • 1 hr 8 min
    Neither rain, nor snow, nor Nascar: Groff v. DeJoy

    Neither rain, nor snow, nor Nascar: Groff v. DeJoy

    Alison, Rebecca, and Liz discuss the pending Post Office case—Groff v. DeJoy—another high-stakes case in which the Supreme Court considers how much hardship a business must bear to accommodate the religious practices of employees. They explain how the case threatens to disrupt decades of case law interpreting Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and what the oral arguments may have signaled about the potential outcome. 
    Background
    SCOTUS Blog Page
    Oral arguments transcript
    Freedom From Religion Foundation’s amicus brief
    Center for Inquiry and American Atheists’ amicus brief
    SCOTUS Blog - “Justices look for common ground in postal worker’s religious liberty case”
    Vox - “The Supreme Court is unlikely to put the Christian Right in charge of your workplace — at least not yet”
    Time - “The Post Office Made a Christian Employee Work on Sundays. Now He's at the Supreme Court”
    New York Times - “Supreme Court Weighs Clash of Postal Worker’s Sabbath and Sunday Deliveries”
    Cases
    Trans World Airlines, Inc. v. Hardison (1977)
     
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    • 1 hr 10 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
72 Ratings

72 Ratings

MrsMarci ,

Not too nerdy

3 women lawyers bring the secular look at the law that the constitution demands without drowning the audience in case law trivia. Worth the time!

aspiring realtor ,

The best legal podcast

I found this when I was listening to the Freedom from Religion podcast and I am so happy I found this podcast. I appreciate the work that they do and how they keep the listeners informed on what’s going on.

Skeptic Matthew ,

I do not dissent

Is there a perfect legal podcast? If there is, this is it. Direct and focused on state/church entanglement which in this day and age just may be the source of all the legal and government hellscapes we're enduring. Amazingly knowledgable hosts who know how to deliver the information directly to lay people.

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