Miyah talks with Laura Hartley about burnout, capitalism, and the dark side of productivity. Laura shares her experiences with burnout and how it's a systemic vs. individual issue. About The Guests Laura Hartley is the founder of Public Love Enterprises and Public LovEd, a school committed to helping changemakers unlearn and dismantle systems that inhibit our thriving, while visioning and seeding a more just, regenerative & loving world. She is an activist, writer, and coach. You can send a message to this episode's guest through Anchor/Spotify or find her at laurahartley.com, Instagram, and LinkedIn. *Intro Music segues into soft, jazzy Background Music* Miyah: Good Morning. Good Afternoon, and Good Evening. Wherever you're joining us, Whenever you're joining us, thanks for joining. I'm Miyah Byrd. I'm the founder and host of We Don’t Talk About That, and today's session is about burnout. Chances are, if we’re talking about burnout, there's a few of you listening who’ve felt a little burnt out before. And for many of us, we try to sweep that feeling kind of under the rug. And we try to just keep going as far as we can go. And sometimes our body or life circumstances kind of forced us to slow down. And so for many overachievers, that's been an issue. And then for many people throughout the pandemic, and kind of dealing with the aftermath of the pandemic, that's been something that we're struggling with. It turns out, there's many of us out there, so we're much less alone than we think. And there's been a lot of polls and surveys around burnout. So, Gallup actually identified that approximately two thirds of employees across multiple fields say they're burned out. Rebecca Joy Tromsness actually speaks a lot about parents returning to the workforce and being burned out, and the World Health Organization actually identified it as a crisis and an occupational hazard. So, yeah, that's real. So we're not talking about it, though, as much as I might need to so I'm going to be talking with Laura Hartley today about her experience with burnout, her story, and a few ways to kind of overcome it, or tips and tricks to get over. So, Laura, do you want to introduce yourself? Laura: Yes, thank you so much for having me on the show. So, it's such an honor to be here. So, my name is Laura, I am an activist, coach, and I run an online school for changemakers. And burnout is a topic that's very close to my heart, because I've experienced it myself. So many of my friends have experienced it. It is, you know, I know the WHO classifies it as like, you know, an occupational hazard that can come from unpaid work as well. I've seen it rife across the activism. And so I think it's something we need to have a lot more conversations about, and start to understand the causes of it, and the healing in a lot more detail. [Click Here to Continue Transcript]