What's Up in Music (AI)

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Welcome to our podcast series that explores the exciting fusion of artificial intelligence and music technology. In each episode, we delve into how AI revolutionises the music industry, from creation and production to distribution and live performances. Two "droids" in an animated weekly discussion.

AUG 24

The Sadie Winters Paradox

AI-Generated Song "Sadie Winters" Becomes Unintended Hit, Sparking Debate on Creativity A recent experiment by YouTuber and music producer Rick Beato on a "CBS Saturday Morning" segment, intended to demonstrate the ease and potential pitfalls of AI-generated music, has backfired in an unexpected way. The fictitious AI-created artist, "Sadie Winters," and her song, "Walking Away," have become a viral sensation, earning widespread praise for their quality and emotional resonance, and raising profound questions about the future of music and artistry. The segment, which aired in mid-August 2025, featured Beato using a combination of AI tools to create a song from scratch in a matter of minutes. He used ChatGPT to generate the persona of "Sadie Winters," a 23-year-old singer-songwriter from Nebraska, and to write the lyrics for a song about heartbreak. He then fed these lyrics into the AI music generator Suno, which produced the complete song, "Walking Away." The likely intention of the program was to showcase how simple it has become to create potentially generic and soulless music, posing a threat to human musicians. However, the public reaction was the opposite of what might have been expected. Once the song was uploaded to YouTube and discussed on social media, it quickly gained traction, with an overwhelmingly positive response. Comments on YouTube and TikTok have been filled with praise for the song's catchy melody, the emotive quality of the AI-generated vocals, and the relatable lyrics. Many listeners expressed that they found the song genuinely moving and superior to much of the human-created pop music on the charts. The comments section of the official "Sadie Winters" YouTube channel has become a forum for a larger discussion about the nature of art, with many users questioning whether the origin of a song matters if it connects with the listener on an emotional level. This unexpected outcome has thrown fuel on the fire of the ongoing debate about AI in the creative arts. Critics of the experiment point out that while the song is pleasant, it is still derivative, drawing on a vast database of existing music. They argue that true artistry lies in human experience and innovation, which AI can only mimic, not genuinely possess. However, the "Sadie Winters" phenomenon demonstrates a growing public acceptance of AI-generated content, provided it meets a certain quality threshold. It also highlights a potential shift in the music industry, where AI could become a powerful tool for songwriting, production, and even the creation of virtual artists. The case of "Sadie Winters" serves as a compelling counter-narrative to the idea that AI music is inherently "useless" or "simple," proving that it can create content that resonates with a wide audience, whether by design or by accident.

17 min
AUG 10

The Unwinnable War

The first front in the music industry’s war against AI isn’t in the studio or on streaming platforms. It’s in the courtroom. Major rights holders, led by the RIAA, have filed lawsuits against generative music platforms like Suno and Udio, accusing them of “willful copyright infringement at an almost unimaginable scale.” The claim is straightforward: these systems train on vast libraries of copyrighted music without permission, and the resulting AI-generated tracks compete directly with human works. But the foundation for this legal push is far less stable than it might appear. At the heart of the battle is the U.S. doctrine of fair use, a complex and often ambiguous legal concept meant to strike a balance between creative freedom and the protection of original works. AI developers argue that training on existing songs is “transformative,” not copying, but learning patterns in much the same way a human artist absorbs influences over a lifetime. They frame it as teaching a machine the grammar of music, enabling it to create something new. Rights holders counter that the process consumes entire compositions and that the outputs, even if novel, risk saturating the market, reducing licensing opportunities, and eroding the commercial value of human-made music. The courts themselves are far from unified. In Andy Warhol Foundation v. Goldsmith, the U.S. Supreme Court narrowed the scope of what counts as “transformative” use, bolstering the argument that AI-generated works may serve the same commercial purpose as the originals. Yet other rulings have taken the opposite view, describing the use of copyrighted material in AI training as “quintessentially transformative.” The U.S. Copyright Office has added nuance but little clarity, noting that transformativeness is “a matter of degree” and questioning whether the analogy between AI learning and human learning is as straightforward as some claim. This patchwork of legal interpretations leaves no clear path forward. Even if the RIAA scores a courtroom victory, the reality is that open-source AI models and decentralized development make the technology nearly impossible to contain. Once released, these models can be shared, modified, and deployed by anyone, anywhere, operating beyond the practical reach of most legal remedies. It’s the same dynamic the industry faced with Napster: shutting down a single company doesn’t stop the spread of the underlying capability. For musicians, this uncertainty is more than just an abstract legal puzzle; it’s deeply personal. Our songs aren’t just content; they’re fragments of our lives and identities. The instinct to protect them is natural. But the blunt instrument of litigation may not be capable of stopping a technology that is already in the wild and evolving at breakneck speed. History shows that the law can slow technological change but rarely reverses it. As with past innovations, from digital sampling to peer-to-peer file sharing, the eventual outcome may be adaptation, not prohibition. In the broader story of AI and music, this legal labyrinth is just one of several forces shaping an inevitable future. The real question may not be whether AI music can be stopped, but how artists, industry, and technology will learn to coexist in a creative landscape that refuses to stand still.

28 min
AUG 2

AI Music on Streaming: Conflict, Policies, and Future

The rise of generative AI is profoundly disrupting the global music industry, creating a complex and fragmented landscape across major streaming platforms. At its core, this conflict pits the AI industry's view of public data as a training resource against the music industry's principle of intellectual property as private, licensable assets. Here's a brief overview of this rapidly evolving landscape: Divergent Platform Strategies: Major streaming services (DSPs) like Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, and Tencent Music Entertainment (TME) have adopted vastly different approaches to AI music. Spotify is pragmatic, leveraging AI for discovery and personalisation, while reactively policing impersonation.Apple Music is cautious and curated, slowly introducing AI features and likely developing a licensed ecosystem with labels.YouTube has built a comprehensive regulatory framework with mandatory disclosure and Content ID to manage AI content, aiming for transparency.Amazon Music is aggressively integrating controversial third-party AI tools like Suno to normalise generative AI for consumers.Tencent Music Entertainment (TME) is developing a sovereign, "walled garden" ecosystem in China, creating its own AI tools and a direct pipeline to its services, thereby internalising the technology and mitigating legal risks.United Rightsholder Opposition: In contrast to fragmented platform strategies, major labels and performing rights organisations are presenting a unified, aggressive opposition. They are executing a coordinated legal and legislative strategy, reminiscent of their response to file-sharing, to force generative AI into a controlled, licensed framework. They argue that unlicensed ingestion of copyrighted works for AI training constitutes copyright infringement and reject the "fair use" defence. Emerging Monetisation and Systemic Fraud: While AI-native artists have shown market viability, achieving significant listeners on Spotify, this success is overshadowed by AI's role as an accelerant for sophisticated streaming fraud, siphoning an estimated £1 billion or more annually from the industry's royalty pool. This creates a vicious cycle where market saturation from low-cost AI content and fraud diminish economic prospects for legitimate human artists. Legal and Ethical Crux: Core legal debates revolve around whether AI-generated works meet the human authorship requirement for copyright, the application of "fair use" to AI training data, and the protection of an artist's voice and likeness through publicity rights. Ethically, concerns include the pervasive lack of transparency and consent in AI model training, potential bias, and the broader devaluation of human artistry due to economic displacement. Ultimately, the current state of conflict is unsustainable. The future is projected to be defined by an inevitable synthesis, involving the development of new licensing models for AI training, novel royalty distribution frameworks, and the deployment of advanced technologies like blockchain for transparent rights management. Navigating this transition requires stakeholders to embrace both aggressive rights protection and proactive engagement in shaping the ethical and commercial standards of this new, algorithmically-driven music economy.

23 min
JUL 26

AI Artist Signs Major Label Deal

The Imoliver Deal: A New Beat for the Music Industry? On July 24, 2025, the music world witnessed a landmark event: Hallwood Media, a traditional full-service record label, signed a comprehensive recording agreement with Imoliver. What makes this deal revolutionary? Imoliver is explicitly described as a "human creator" who crafts songs "using nothing but lyrics and AI tools" from the generative AI platform Suno. This isn't just a distribution deal for a viral track; it’s a full-spectrum partnership covering artist management, production, global distribution, and marketing, mirroring traditional artist development. Who is Imoliver? The "AI Music Designer"Imoliver, identified as Oliver McCann, is lauded not for traditional musical prowess but for his "prompt engineering, curation, aesthetic guidance, and taste-making". His breakout single, "Stone," amassed over 3.2 million streams on Suno before the deal, showcasing his ability to consistently generate appealing music across diverse genres. The deal strategically rebrands him as a "music designer," shifting focus from the AI tool to his human skill and artistic vision. Hallwood Media's Vision: Embracing DisruptionFounded by industry veteran Neil Jacobson (formerly of Geffen Records), Hallwood Media positions itself as an "independent artist accelerator label" keenly focused on the intersection of music, technology, and new asset classes. This deal is a calculated move, seeing the ability to effectively guide powerful AI tools as a "new, valuable, and acquirable asset class". It effectively inverts the traditional A&R model, allowing Hallwood to invest in market-tested creations with lower overhead, tapping into an efficient new talent pipeline. Navigating the Legal LandscapeThe deal operates amidst a "legal maelstrom". U.S. copyright law insists on "human authorship," often deeming AI-generated output ineligible for copyright protection, potentially placing it in the public domain. However, the Hallwood-Imoliver deal leverages Suno's Terms of Service for paid users, which contractually grants full commercial use rights to the generated songs, even if copyright isn't guaranteed. This creates a "strategic exploitation of the gap between the ambiguities of public copyright law and the certainties of private contract law". The broader industry, including major labels, is simultaneously suing AI platforms like Suno for copyright infringement while also negotiating licensing deals, highlighting the complex and divided landscape. Industry Reaction and Future ImplicationsThe deal has sharply divided the music industry. Proponents like Neil Jacobson see it as "expanding what's possible," while many established artists and industry leaders view generative AI with alarm, citing fears of "devaluation and theft" due to training on uncompensated copyrighted music. This development puts immense pressure on streaming services to develop new policies regarding AI-generated content, moving it from a backend moderation issue to a front-end policy challenge. Ultimately, the Hallwood-Imoliver agreement is a prototype for new creative partnerships, foreshadowing a "complex hybridization" of human and machine in music creation. It elevates the human skills of curation, taste, and aesthetic direction, reshaping the music value chain and ushering in "the era of the 'music designer'".

13 min
JUL 19

AI, Creativity, and Artistic Authenticity: An Enduring Debate

Join us as we explore the heated debate surrounding artificial intelligence in creative domains, addressing the "not fair" sentiment and anxieties about AI's "genuine creative spark". We'll demonstrate how these debates are not new, but echo historical disruptions like photography challenging painting, synthesizers redefining music, and digital art tools like Photoshop being criticised as "cheating". In each instance, technology forced a redefinition of artistic skill, shifting focus from manual execution to conceptualisation, curation, and the intelligent application of new instruments. While AI excels at algorithmic ingenuity and rapid iteration, it lacks subjective experience, emotions, and consciousness – qualities central to the human "creative spark". This means AI output reflects patterns from existing works, risking aesthetic stagnation. The "not fair" sentiment is also driven by economic anxieties (job displacement) and copyright concerns, as AI often trains on copyrighted material and purely AI-generated work is generally not copyrightable under current U.S. law without human contribution. The podcast argues that AI functions as a powerful tool that augments, rather than replaces, human creativity. The future of art will involve sophisticated human-AI partnerships where human judgment, curation, and the ability to imbue art with meaning remain paramount. The value of human art will increasingly lie in its authenticity, emotional depth, and the unique connection it fosters. This era demands new skillsets like "prompt engineering" and "AI artistry," reinforcing that artistic expertise adapts and evolves, but the human element remains irreplaceable for art that truly resonates.

14 min
JUL 6

AI's Impact on Music Economics - The Velvet Sundown Effect

The music industry is at a turning point as generative AI reshapes how songs are created and monetized. By flooding streaming platforms with cheap, infinite music, AI exploits the “pro rata” royalty model—diluting payouts for human artists. Industry forecasts suggest creators could lose over €10 billion in revenue by 2028. Cases like “Velvet Sundown” highlight how AI bands achieve algorithmic success with no real-world presence. Meanwhile, listeners say they prefer human art, but blind tests reveal they can’t tell the difference. This podcast explores how AI blurs the line between art and product, challenging the future of music itself.

27 min
JUN 29

The Velvet Sundown_ Spotify's Phantom AI Band

The Velvet Sundown is a mysterious music project on Spotify that rapidly amasses hundreds of thousands of streams in 2025 despite having no real-world presence. Many suspect it is AI-generated, pointing to red flags like non-existent band members with distinctive but unsearchable names, uncanny AI-generated imagery, and a “flowery, ChatGPT-style” artist bio that even includes a fabricated Billboard quote. The music is generic, “country-tinged roots-rock” with repetitive motifs like “dust,” described as having the “veneer of a Suno creation.” Distributed through DistroKid, the project’s rapid rise is attributed to sophisticated algorithmic manipulation. Its 26 tracks are “smuggled” into numerous large, popular user-curated playlists—such as “Vietnam War Music” and “The O.C. Soundtrack”—where they appear alongside genuine classics despite having no thematic connection. This “blitz of placements” exploits Spotify’s recommendation system, triggering features like Discover Weekly and greatly expanding The Velvet Sundown’s reach. The phenomenon sparks heated debate among listeners, many of whom feel deceived and call for clear labeling of AI-generated content. The case raises serious questions for the music industry about transparency, algorithmic responsibility, the economic impact on human artists, and the meaning of authenticity in music. It also prompts competitors like Deezer to implement AI detection and labeling policies.

19 min
JUN 23

Art and AI: A 19th-Century Parallel

The disruptive impact of new technologies on the art world by drawing a parallel between 19th-century photography and 21st-century generative AI.

16 min

Welcome to our podcast series that explores the exciting fusion of artificial intelligence and music technology. In each episode, we delve into how AI revolutionises the music industry, from creation and production to distribution and live performances. Two "droids" in an animated weekly discussion.

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DJ Rob O. Tics
Years Active

2024 - 2025
Episodes

19
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Clean
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What's Up in Music (AI)