When Depression is in Your Bed℠

Trish Sanders, LCSW
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When Depression Is in Your Bed℠ is a podcast about what happens when life gets hard and how we find our way back to connection. Hosted by Trish Sanders, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Certified Advanced Imago Relationship Therapist and Relationship Coach, each episode explores the complex relationship between our nervous systems, our relationships, and our emotional well-being. Through a blend of personal stories, professional insights, and practical tools, Trish tackles topics such as depression, communication, perfectionism, neurodivergence, self-trust, conflict, repair, empathy, boundaries, attachment, nervous system regulation, and relational healing. With honesty, warmth, and a deep belief in people's capacity to grow, Trish helps listeners understand not only why they get stuck, but how meaningful change becomes possible. Whether you're struggling with depression, feeling disconnected from yourself or your partner, or simply trying to navigate life with more awareness and compassion, this podcast offers a roadmap back to connection, again and again.

  1. 3d ago

    Finding My People: The Connection Paradox and the Search for Belonging

    What if the thing you've been searching for all along, connection, community, and a sense of belonging, is also the thing you've been protecting yourself from?  In this episode, I explore what I call The Connection Paradox: the tension between our deep human need for connection and the fear that can arise when we risk truly being seen, known, and accepted by others. Drawing from my own experiences of feeling like I was on the outskirts, longing for deeper community, and wondering why belonging seemed to come so naturally to other people, I share how I came to realize that part of what stood between me and the connection I was seeking wasn't just what was happening around me, it was what was happening inside me. Because sometimes the greatest barrier to belonging isn't rejection. It's the ways we protect ourselves from the possibility of not belonging. In this episode, I explore how depression, neurodivergence, self-othering, and old relational wounds can shape our experiences of community and connection, plus how healing can gradually make us more available for the very relationships we've been longing for. In this episode, we explore: • What The Connection Paradox is and why it affects so many people • The difference between being around others and true belonging • How self-othering can quietly interfere with connection • Why many neurodivergent people struggle with feeling different or out of place • The role fear and self-protection play in our search for community • How attachment wounds and past experiences can shape our sense of belonging • Why finding your people often begins with finding yourself • How self-acceptance can make connection feel more available • The surprising relationship between healing and community • Why creating connection sometimes requires moving toward what scares us We long for belonging. And at the same time, we often protect ourselves from the possibility of not belonging. But maybe belonging isn't something we simply stumble upon. Maybe it's something we gradually become more available for. And maybe that's how we find our people. And maybe that's how our people find us. If you and your partner are ready to co-create the roadmap to the relationship of your dreams, join us for the next in-person "Getting the Love You Want" Weekend Couples Retreat!  For support in how to have deeper connections and better communication in the relationships that matter most in your life, follow the host, Trish Sanders on Instagram , Bluesky or LinkedIn.

    12 min

  2. Jun 17

    When Your Person Doesn't Feel Like Your Person: The Longing Beneath the Hurt

    Why can a seemingly small moment with the person you love hurt so much more than a similar moment with almost anyone else? In this episode, I explore what happens when the person who feels like your person doesn't respond in the way you're hoping they will. What began as a conversation with my husband Ben about some feedback I received on an exciting new project quickly became something much deeper. While the feedback itself wasn't particularly negative, and Ben wasn't trying to hurt me, I found myself feeling unsupported, unseen, and unexpectedly wounded. Through an Imago and nervous-system-informed lens, I explore why moments of disconnection can feel so painful in our closest relationships and how those moments often touch old places within us that long to feel seen, valued, supported, and like we belong. This episode also introduces a small piece of what I think of as the connection paradox: our deep human need for connection and belonging, alongside our equally deep fear of being hurt in relationship. Because often, the conflict we're having isn't really about the conflict. Beneath frustration, disappointment, criticism, and defensiveness is frequently a deeper longing, one that has been with us for a very long time. And sometimes, naming that longing is exactly what opens the door to repair. In this episode, we explore: • Why the people we love most have the greatest capacity to hurt us • How moments of disconnection can activate old wounds and protective responses • The connection paradox: longing for connection while fearing it at the same time • Why romantic relationships often bring unfinished emotional experiences to the surface • How the Imago concept of the power struggle can be understood as growth trying to happen • The difference between intention and impact in relationships • What happens when two nervous systems move into self-protection • Why feeling unsupported can hurt even when no harm was intended • The deeper needs that often exist beneath conflict and criticism • How identifying a vulnerable longing can create movement toward repair • Why support does not always mean agreement • How sharing vulnerability can transform relational conflict Sometimes the deepest hurt isn't about what was said. It's about what we were longing for. And when we can identify that longing, and share it with the people we love, we create the possibility for greater understanding, deeper connection, and meaningful repair. If you and your partner are ready to co-create the roadmap to the relationship of your dreams, join us for the next in-person "Getting the Love You Want" Weekend Couples Retreat!  For support in how to have deeper connections and better communication in the relationships that matter most in your life, follow the host, Trish Sanders on Instagram , Bluesky or LinkedIn.

    10 min

  3. Jun 10

    The Brilliance of Blended States: Nervous System Flexibility & Creativity

    What if feeling energized, creative, connected, rested, and even grieving aren't separate experiences, but examples of your nervous system doing exactly what it was designed to do?  In this episode, I explore one of the most important, and least talked about, concepts in nervous system education: blended states. While we often talk about ventral, sympathetic, and dorsal as separate nervous system states, the reality is far more nuanced. Our nervous systems are constantly mixing and matching different forms of energy, helping us adapt to whatever life is asking of us in any given moment. Because the goal of nervous system wellness is not to stay calm all the time. And it’s not to live in ventral energy 24/7. The goal is flexibility. The ability to move, blend, adapt, recover, connect, create, rest, and respond to life with the right kind and amount of energy for the moment. In this episode, I explore how blended states show up in everyday life, from play, creativity, and movement to rest, grief, parenting, relationships, and some of our most meaningful human experiences.  In this episode, we explore: • What blended nervous system states are and why they matter • Why pure nervous system states are likely the exception, not the norm • How ventral energy acts as an anchor for regulation and connection • The difference between sympathetic self-protection and ventral-anchored action • How rest, reflection, and restoration emerge when ventral and dorsal work together • Why some of life's most meaningful experiences happen in blended states • How creativity, play, movement, restorative rest and flow depend on nervous system flexibility • What it means to be "safely still" versus shut down • How blended states show up in parenting, relationships, grief, and everyday life • Why nervous system flexibility, not constant calm, is the true goal of regulation Your nervous system was never designed to stay in one state. It was designed to move.  To blend.  To adapt.  To protect.  To connect.  To create.  To grieve.  To rest.  To love. And perhaps some of the most beautiful moments in life happen when all of those capacities work together. If you and your partner are ready to co-create the roadmap to the relationship of your dreams, join us for the next in-person "Getting the Love You Want" Weekend Couples Retreat!  For support in how to have deeper connections and better communication in the relationships that matter most in your life, follow the host, Trish Sanders on Instagram , Bluesky or LinkedIn.

    15 min

  4. Jun 3

    Clarity Rooted in the Nervous System: How Safety Helps You See Again

    What if clarity is not just a mindset… but a nervous system experience? In this episode, I explore the idea that clarity is deeply rooted in our nervous system state and that when we are living in survival mode, overwhelmed, anxious, shut down, or depressed, clarity can become incredibly difficult to access. Drawing from both my personal experience and professional understanding of nervous system wellness, I talk about how depression can feel like sitting in the dark, while overwhelm can feel like being swept up in a tornado, both states making it difficult to see clearly, imagine possibilities, or know what next step to take. Because when our nervous systems are focused on survival, our vision narrows.  Our creativity narrows.  Our options narrow. But when we begin to experience even a little more safety, groundedness, and self-compassion, something important happens: The light slowly starts to come back on. In this episode, I share two deeply personal examples, one involving my journey with movement and caring for my physical body, and another involving the evolution of my professional path from therapist to coach, to explore how clarity often emerges slowly, step by step, through action, self-attunement, and nervous system safety. In this episode, we explore: • Why clarity is deeply connected to nervous system wellness • How depression, shutdown, anxiety, and overwhelm impact clarity and decision-making • The difference between survival states and grounded, connected states • Why clarity often unfolds gradually instead of arriving all at once • How perfectionism and all-or-nothing thinking can keep us stuck • Why tiny, sustainable steps often create more lasting change • The connection between self-compassion and clarity • How action itself can create clarity over time • Why nervous system safety helps expand creativity, possibility, and self-trust • How learning to listen to ourselves helps us build more aligned lives Sometimes clarity does not arrive as a giant lightning bolt moment. Sometimes it begins with ten minutes on a trampoline. Trying something new. Taking one small step. Or simply creating enough safety for the dust to settle and the light to slowly come back on again. If you and your partner are ready to co-create the roadmap to the relationship of your dreams, join us for the next in-person "Getting the Love You Want" Weekend Couples Retreat!  For support in how to have deeper connections and better communication in the relationships that matter most in your life, follow the host, Trish Sanders on Instagram , Bluesky or LinkedIn.

    14 min

  5. May 27

    Regulation Is Not Calm: The Truth About Nervous System Wellness

    What if nervous system regulation has far less to do with staying calm all the time… and much more to do with flexibility, awareness, and repair? In this episode, I unpack some of the biggest myths and misunderstandings I see surrounding nervous system regulation, polyvagal theory, and relational safety, including the widespread belief that being “regulated” means being endlessly calm, emotionally steady, and zen all the time. From both a clinical and personal perspective, I explore how these misconceptions can unintentionally reinforce perfectionism, emotional suppression, shame, conflict avoidance, and disconnection, even in people who are genuinely trying to heal and improve their relationships. Because nervous system wellness is not about never getting activated. And relational safety is not about never experiencing conflict. True nervous system wellness is about flexibility: The ability to move through activation consciously, recover more effectively, and return to connection with yourself and others. In this episode, we explore: • Why regulation does not simply mean “being calm” • The difference between emotional suppression and true nervous system regulation • Why healthy nervous systems are designed to shift states • How perfectionism and wellness culture can distort nervous system healing • Why being upset does not mean you failed or “aren’t healed” • The relational dangers of avoidance, self-silencing, and pseudo-calmness • How awareness creates more choice and flexibility in relationships • Why repair matters more than never becoming dysregulated • What relational safety actually means (and what it does not mean) • How nervous system wellness supports deeper connection, authenticity, and growth You can be regulated and still feel angry. Regulated and grieving. Regulated and activated. Because regulation is not emotional perfection. It’s the ability to stay connected to yourself and others while moving through the full range of human experience. If you and your partner are ready to co-create the roadmap to the relationship of your dreams, join us for the next in-person "Getting the Love You Want" Weekend Couples Retreat!  For support in how to have deeper connections and better communication in the relationships that matter most in your life, follow the host, Trish Sanders on Instagram , Bluesky or LinkedIn.

    26 min

  6. May 20

    The Space to Come Back: How Relational Safety Changes Family Conflict

    What if stepping back during conflict isn’t avoidance… but the very thing that creates space for repair?  In this episode, I share two very ordinary but deeply meaningful moments from my own family that highlighted just how much relational safety, nervous system awareness, and repair have changed the way my husband, Ben, and I move through conflict.  One moment involved tension between Ben and our teenage son after a frustrating situation at a water park. Another involved a vulnerable conversation between Ben and me that quickly started moving toward defensiveness and disconnection. In both situations, something important happened: Instead of escalating, we created space to come back.  This episode is not about perfect communication, never getting dysregulated, or avoiding hard feelings. It’s about what becomes possible when relational safety is prioritized enough that repair, accountability, learning, and reconnection can actually happen. Because nervous system safety is not about suppressing conflict.  It’s about creating the conditions where growth becomes possible.  In this episode, we explore: • What relational safety can look like in everyday family conflict • Why dysregulation changes how we hear and respond to each other • The difference between escalation and creating space for repair • How nervous system awareness shifts parenting and partnership dynamics • Why stepping back is sometimes more relational than pushing forward • The importance of trusting people to self-regulate and return • How long-term relational patterns can begin to shift over time • Why being relational does not mean avoiding hard conversations • How repair and reconnection can become the new pattern in a family Relational growth is often much quieter than people expect. Sometimes it looks like pausing instead of pushing. Sometimes it looks like creating enough safety for someone to come back. And sometimes it looks like realizing that moments which once led to days or months of disconnection can now move through with more connection, care, and repair. If you and your partner are ready to co-create the roadmap to the relationship of your dreams, join us for the next in-person "Getting the Love You Want" Weekend Couples Retreat!  For support in how to have deeper connections and better communication in the relationships that matter most in your life, follow the host, Trish Sanders on Instagram , Bluesky or LinkedIn.

    20 min

  7. May 13

    The Empathy Trap in Relationships: How Understanding Your Partner Can Keep You Both Stuck

    What happens when empathy helps your partner feel deeply understood… but quietly keeps both of you stuck? In this episode, I explore what I call The Empathy Trap in Relationships, a dynamic where understanding your partner’s pain can sometimes make it harder to respond to the actual impact that pain is having on you, the relationship, and the family system as a whole.  Drawing from my own marriage and years of professional experience, I talk about how empathy can unintentionally turn into over-functioning, imbalance, and staying in unhealthy relational loops for far too long. Empathy matters deeply. Feeling seen and understood helps create safety, connection, and healing. But when empathy only focuses on someone’s story, without also paying attention to both nervous systems in the relationship, it can unintentionally reinforce patterns that no longer serve either partner.  In this episode, I introduce a more expanded version of empathy, one that includes compassion, accountability, boundaries, and nervous system awareness for both people in the relationship. Because true relational safety has to be co-created. In this episode, we explore: • What The Empathy Trap in Relationships actually is • How empathy can unintentionally reinforce unhealthy dynamics • The difference between understanding behavior and accepting it • Why over-empathizing can lead to over-functioning • How nervous system awareness changes relational patterns • The importance of including both nervous systems in empathy • Why safety and healing must be co-created in relationships • How expanded empathy creates the conditions for growth and change You can deeply understand your partner…  without abandoning yourself in the process. If you and your partner are ready to co-create the roadmap to the relationship of your dreams, join us for the next in-person "Getting the Love You Want" Weekend Couples Retreat!  For support in how to have deeper connections and better communication in the relationships that matter most in your life, follow the host, Trish Sanders on Instagram , Bluesky or LinkedIn.

    16 min

  8. May 6

    Showing Up Imperfectly: When Perfectionism Looks Like Overachieving

    What if perfectionism doesn’t make you shut down… but makes it impossible to stop pushing? In this episode, I explore the overachieving side of perfectionism, the version that looks productive, driven, high-functioning, and constantly in motion. The version that says, “I’ll just try harder,” “I’ll keep pushing,” or “If I can just get this right, then I’ll finally feel okay.” This conversation builds on last week’s episode about showing up imperfectly through a more avoidant perfectionism pattern, the kind that pulls back when things feel overwhelming. But perfectionism doesn’t only show up through avoidance. For many people, it shows up through striving. Through a nervous-system-informed lens, I explore how both avoidant perfectionism and overachieving perfectionism are rooted in the same thing: a system trying to find safety. For some people, safety came through shutting down, withdrawing, or avoiding. For others, safety came through doing more, pushing harder, and staying constantly mobilized. While these patterns can look completely opposite from the outside, both are adaptive responses shaped by overwhelm, stress, and self-protection. I also share how these patterns can exist within the same person and how they can shape relationship dynamics over time. In my relationship with my husband Ben, when his system moved more toward shutdown, mine often moved toward striving and over-functioning in response. This episode explores how showing up imperfectly matters not only for the person who avoids, but also for the person who over-functions. Because for the overachieving perfectionist, showing up imperfectly may actually mean learning to do less. In this episode, I explore: • The difference between avoidant and overachieving perfectionism • How perfectionism develops through different nervous system survival strategies • Dorsal shutdown vs. sympathetic striving responses • Why overachieving can look healthy while still being driven by self-protection • The hidden cost of constantly pushing, striving, and over-functioning • How perfectionism can disconnect us from our body, limits, and needs • Why overachieving and avoidance can exist in the same person • Common relationship dynamics between shutdown and over-functioning partners • Why showing up imperfectly matters for both perfectionism patterns • How imperfect action for overachievers may actually mean slowing down, resting, or doing less • The connection between awareness, regulation, and self-trust You do not have to get rid of your patterns to begin healing. The goal is not perfection. The goal is awareness, flexibility, and learning how to stay connected to yourself while you grow. If you and your partner are ready to co-create the roadmap to the relationship of your dreams, join us for the next in-person "Getting the Love You Want" Weekend Couples Retreat!  For support in how to have deeper connections and better communication in the relationships that matter most in your life, follow the host, Trish Sanders on Instagram , Bluesky or LinkedIn.

    11 min
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When Depression Is in Your Bed℠ is a podcast about what happens when life gets hard and how we find our way back to connection. Hosted by Trish Sanders, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Certified Advanced Imago Relationship Therapist and Relationship Coach, each episode explores the complex relationship between our nervous systems, our relationships, and our emotional well-being. Through a blend of personal stories, professional insights, and practical tools, Trish tackles topics such as depression, communication, perfectionism, neurodivergence, self-trust, conflict, repair, empathy, boundaries, attachment, nervous system regulation, and relational healing. With honesty, warmth, and a deep belief in people's capacity to grow, Trish helps listeners understand not only why they get stuck, but how meaningful change becomes possible. Whether you're struggling with depression, feeling disconnected from yourself or your partner, or simply trying to navigate life with more awareness and compassion, this podcast offers a roadmap back to connection, again and again.

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  • Creator
    Trish Sanders, LCSW
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    75
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2026 When Depression is in Your Bed℠
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